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Action 11-10-2013 04:49 PM

So...what's the rule about hitting a QB at/below the knees?
 
Defenders are clearly going for his ankles...

http://i.imgur.com/3gNNEbe.gif

enjolras 11-10-2013 04:53 PM

I can find two things:

Quote:

No defensive player who has an unrestricted path to the quarterback may hit him flagrantly in the area of the knee(s) or below when approaching in any direction.
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/protectionofpasser

Which is confusing, because when the "Brady Rule" went into effect, it prohibited players already on the ground from hitting the QB below the knees.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...new-brady-rule

Either way, looks fine to me.

Gutless Drunk 11-10-2013 04:54 PM

Honestly, not being flippant, I think it really only does apply to Brady. The "Brady Rule" is not just a name, it's literal. I saw the same kind of low shots on RG3 and no calls either.

Broncos_OTM 11-10-2013 04:55 PM

Some players get rewarded by coaches for it lol

SonOfLe-loLang 11-10-2013 04:56 PM

Eh, he was pushed down by Manny. I dont think that would really apply. Just really unfortunate. Hopefully hes ok.

Broncos_OTM 11-10-2013 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Action (Post 3964847)
Defenders are clearly going for his ankles...

http://i.imgur.com/3gNNEbe.gif

Pretty sad when teams have to start trying to take players out...

Miss I. 11-10-2013 04:57 PM

Digest of Rules Main
Protection of Passer
By interpretation, a pass begins when the passer -- with possession of ball -- starts to bring his hand forward. If ball strikes ground after this action has begun, play is ruled an incomplete pass. If passer loses control of ball prior to his bringing his hand forward, play is ruled a fumble.
When a passer is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional movement forward of his arm starts a forward pass. If a defensive player contacts the passer or the ball after forward movement begins, and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled, regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player.
No defensive player may run into a passer of a legal forward pass after the ball has left his hand (15 yards). The Referee must determine whether opponent had a reasonable chance to stop his momentum during an attempt to block the pass or tackle the passer while he still had the ball.
No defensive player who has an unrestricted path to the quarterback may hit him flagrantly in the area of the knee(s) or below when approaching in any direction.
Officials are to blow the play dead as soon as the quarterback is clearly in the grasp and control of any tackler, and his safety is in jeopardy.

this is the whole rule about the passer thing, but the highlighted is what I was wondering about.

Archer81 11-10-2013 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang (Post 3964860)
Eh, he was pushed down by Manny. I dont think that would really apply. Just really unfortunate. Hopefully hes ok.


94 is the one who hit Manning. I dont see him getting pushed by Ramirez.


:Broncos:

Powderaddict 11-10-2013 05:03 PM

What about the punt returner buffer zone?

That muffed punt looked like it could have been a penalty as well

SonOfLe-loLang 11-10-2013 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Archer81 (Post 3964872)
94 is the one who hit Manning. I dont see him getting pushed by Ramirez.


:Broncos:

Am i going crazy?

Archer81 11-10-2013 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang (Post 3964875)
Am i going crazy?


No. Ramirez blocked him, but Liuget worked around and dove at Manning's knees. He's probably going to get fined.


:Broncos:

SonOfLe-loLang 11-10-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Archer81 (Post 3964878)
No. Ramirez blocked him, but Liuget worked around and dove at Manning's knees. He's probably going to get fined.


:Broncos:

I dunno, he was ducking under his hands...that's tough.

SonOfLe-loLang 11-10-2013 05:08 PM

According to Del Rio, Mannings fine. But im still holding my breath

Action 11-10-2013 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang (Post 3964860)
Eh, he was pushed down by Manny. I dont think that would really apply. Just really unfortunate. Hopefully hes ok.

Kind of looks like that...but I think his intent was to go low. Just watch the player the whole time...he lunges down at his knees/ankles. Manny's left arm is the only arm that could have pushed him, and I highly doubt he pushed him that hard.

Just watch the replay while looking only at the defender...it's pretty obvious he's lunging low.

SonOfLe-loLang 11-10-2013 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Action (Post 3964884)
Kind of looks like that...but I think his intent was to go low. Just watch the player the whole time...he lunges down at his knees/ankles. Manny's left arm is the only arm that could have pushed him, and I highly doubt he pushed him that hard.

Just watch the replay while looking only at the defender...it's pretty obvious he's lunging low.

Perhaps, it doesnt matter. He did it, its not like a flag would heal Mannings knee.

mwill07 11-10-2013 05:11 PM

technically, it looks like he first makes contact with Mannings legs above the knees, so nothing to see here.

ScottXray 11-10-2013 05:12 PM

If that was Brady there definitely would have been a flag.

Faarking Refs are going to let Manning get taken out. (4 was pushed down by Ramirez,but he still took two or more steps forward after that and the ball was out and piled into his legs below the knee. I don't know how it could be any clearer to the ref.

Same thing happened in the Jax game and that was even worse.

O-line is just going to have to get Mean and nasty and take the holding calls instead of getting our Qb hurt.

Rohirrim 11-10-2013 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang (Post 3964881)
According to Del Rio, Mannings fine. But im still holding my breath

Del Rio is an old LB. If the bone was sticking out he'd say it was no big deal.

BroncsCheer 11-10-2013 05:24 PM

I saw the same thing get called against Seattle today in a hit on Matt Ryan. Guy was blocked and sort of fell into the legs of the QB. flagged immediately. 15 and a 1st.

Jetmeck 11-10-2013 05:27 PM

Hard to PROVE they were after his ankles but you can bet your ass KC will be..........

Miss I. 11-10-2013 05:28 PM

Well I think the rules were rewritten. It used to be the Brady/Manning rule, with a caveat that the rule was non applicable to all QBs on the Denver Bronco team. Of course now that Peyton is our QB, his name was removed from the first portion of the rule. ;D

I kid, I kid, but I do seem to recall many discussions that the league protected Peyton and Tommy above all others. Not sure that's actually true. I think refs just mess up.

ZONA 11-10-2013 06:00 PM

Meh, I think his helmet first hit above the knees. I don't really have a problem with that hit. Doesn't look like Manning hurt himself too bad there. He should be fine.

Action 11-10-2013 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ZONA (Post 3964994)
Meh, I think his helmet first hit above the knees. I don't really have a problem with that hit. Doesn't look like Manning hurt himself too bad there. He should be fine.

So I'm guessing you didn't watch the game...

Miss I. 11-10-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ZONA (Post 3964994)
Meh, I think his helmet first hit above the knees. I don't really have a problem with that hit. Doesn't look like Manning hurt himself too bad there. He should be fine.

No defensive player who has an unrestricted path to the quarterback may hit him flagrantly in the area of the knee(s) or below when approaching in any direction.

Manning is probably fine, but the question to me is if the hit meets the rule above and I think it does. They absolutely him in flagrantly in the knee(s) ore below. His arms were around Peyton's calves, not his body, so I don't perceive anything but a deliberate attempt to go low on him. Just my thoughts on the hit, but I've seen less obvious hits penalized so I just wondered why this one wasn't?

rolandftw 11-10-2013 06:12 PM

I didn't really see anything dirty. Agree with SonofLe-lolang that it looked like he was pushed into Manning. Have to hope it is nothing major, and maybe just has to be on some pain medicine for Sunday night.

Either way, Denver should play conservatively


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