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Hotwheelz 10-09-2013 09:25 PM

Could we stop acting like Obama is a liberal?
 
He's not. His economic policies are largely pro wall street. He's done very little in terms of environmental policy, campaign finance reform, illegal wiretapping and electronic privacy. He's consistently caved to republicans in budget negotiations. He's taken a free market approach to healthcare reform instead of fighting for single payer and he's bombed the **** out of other countries with drone strikes.

I voted for him in 2008 and regret it. Please stop assuming that liberals like Obama. If you want a true liberal look at people like Warren or Sanders.

Rohirrim 10-10-2013 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotwheelz (Post 3936101)
He's not. His economic policies are largely pro wall street. He's done very little in terms of environmental policy, campaign finance reform, illegal wiretapping and electronic privacy. He's consistently caved to republicans in budget negotiations. He's taken a free market approach to healthcare reform instead of fighting for single payer and he's bombed the **** out of other countries with drone strikes.

I voted for him in 2008 and regret it. Please stop assuming that liberals like Obama. If you want a true liberal look at people like Warren or Sanders.

QFT

El Minion 10-10-2013 07:56 AM

Stop ruining a good Republican delusion with reality.

mhgaffney 10-10-2013 08:06 AM

Good point.
The true liberal was.....Nixon.

Obama = Manchurian candidate (CIA stealth operator).

Eldorado 10-10-2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mhgaffney (Post 3936225)
Good point.
The true liberal was.....Nixon.

Obama = Manchurian candidate (CIA stealth operator).

Oh f*** YES!!!

barryr 10-10-2013 11:33 AM

But every liberal, at least around here, would still vote for him. There are no liberals around here complaining much about any of those things, so they must find all of that acceptable.

Requiem 10-10-2013 11:35 AM

Lol. Nobody is complaining? HAHA.

Pony Boy 10-10-2013 11:44 AM

What part of Obama = big-assed ******* government do you not understand.

Government control of your life cradle to the grave.

Let the IRS run wild and give them complete control of everything including your healthcare.

Eavesdrop and spy on every aspect of daily life and remember all are guilty until proven innocent.

Tax Tax Tax Tax, spend spend spend spend, borrow borrow borrow borrow, print print print and keep on printing money.

Blart 10-10-2013 11:46 AM

Why? Liberal is a good definition for Obama.

He's pro-austerity. He fights for privatization. He believes in the free market.

In most sane countries, "liberals" align with conservative parties, or they are the conservative party. Examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venstre_%28Denmark%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Canada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Norway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libera...y_of_Australia

Unlike every other 1st and 2nd world nation, America does not have a leftist party. We have a choice between capitalism or capitalism with gay rights.


In conclusion, **** liberals.

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Blart 10-10-2013 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3936404)
What part of Obama = big-assed ******* government do you not understand.

Which big-government are you referring to? The big government created by our founding fathers in 1787 to protect the interests of merchants, slave-holders and land speculators? The one that has given enormous subsidies to big business for over 200 years? The one that gave away hundreds of millions of acres to railroad tycoons? The one with a military budget that dwarfs Russia, China, the UK, France and Japan combined?

Or is it the big-government that, fearing rebellion in the 1930's, created social security, unemployment, subsidized housing, and work programs?

Just curious if you have an actual problem with the government's size, or if your problem is actually who the government serves.

BroncoBeavis 10-10-2013 01:02 PM

Funny thing is that these kids believe that only their guys betray their ideology, while the other team's leaders are all 100% pure representations of the Conservative faith.

TonyR 10-10-2013 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3936404)
Let the IRS run wild and give them complete control of everything including your healthcare.

Do you have any clue what the IRS's actual role in ACA is? Because using the words "complete control of everything" suggests that you don't.

Blart 10-10-2013 03:11 PM

Good graphic on why "liberal" is now seen as left, rather than right or center-right:

"Here we compare the policy mood in each state in the early 1960s (hollow dots) and in the early 2000s (solid dots). Higher values indicate a more conservative policy mood. In each instance, the solid dot is to the right of the hollow dot, suggesting that the publicís policy mood has moved in a conservative direction in every state. Furthermore, most of these increases are statistically significant."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...3/10/enns1.jpg


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...all-50-states/

Delaware is now one of the most liberal states, because it has gotten slightly more conservative.

frerottenextelway 10-10-2013 04:05 PM

Disagree with 80% of the OP. It's like the fantasy libertarians live in, where everything you want can happen like turning a light switch. Our Founders built this gov't to have change happen slowly. It's frustrating when things are mostly on your side and not moving like you want, but it's also a framework that built this country to stand in the long haul. If Bernie Sanders was Pres, we wouldn't have single payer. That's not how it works. But there's no doubt this country has moved significantly Left in the past 5 years, on issues from health care to war, to human rights, and that is what matters.

Arkie 10-10-2013 05:20 PM

Bush Wasnít a Conservative and Obama Isnít a Liberal

...but liberals vote for Obama and conservatives vote for Bush to play along with this charade.

mhgaffney 10-10-2013 05:27 PM

Once again -- the board descends into the swamp of partisan rants --

The bottom line is that we have no true opposition party and have not had one for many years. Both parties are owned by the financial elite.

The result is a uni party -- with two wings.

Partisan squabbling distracts from the actual problem --

MHG

Hotwheelz 10-10-2013 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BBII (Post 3936450)
Funny thing is that these kids believe that only their guys betray their ideology, while the other team's leaders are all 100% pure representations of the Conservative faith.

No, I know people like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are radical right. I'd much rather vote for an old school conservative (any conservative from the West Wing) than Obama because at least they're drawing conclusions from facts.

pricejj 10-10-2013 05:38 PM

ROFL!


Watch the rats jump off the sinking ship.


"I voted for him, but his Socialist policies aren't doing what he said they would."


Yeah, no joke. Can't say I didn't warn ya!

nyuk nyuk 10-10-2013 05:47 PM

Since when were Democrats not pro-Wall Street?

Who do you think wants all that cheap illegal labor given amnesty?

Hotwheelz 10-10-2013 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3936597)
ROFL!


Watch the rats jump off the sinking ship.


"I voted for him, but his Socialist policies aren't doing what he said they would."


Yeah, no joke. Can't say I didn't warn ya!

No, you twat. His policies aren't liberal nor anywhere near socialist. They're moderately right wing (he cut SS). Current republicans just happen to be extremely right wing.

Can you not read?

B-Large 10-10-2013 07:10 PM

Warren = Communist
Obama = Socialist
Christie = Liberal
Coburn = Blue Dog
Boehner = RINO

That's the reality in this day and age.... What a wacky world it is..

Rigs11 10-10-2013 07:14 PM

Pony forgets that his heroes Raygun and Dubya both grew government and the debt

B-Large 10-10-2013 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotwheelz (Post 3936650)
No, you twat. His policies aren't liberal nor anywhere near socialist. They're moderately right wing (he cut SS). Current republicans just happen to be extremely right wing.

Can you not read?

Obama is a left leaning centrist, that why he won, he appealed to independents who vote vote candidates that appeal to the centrists...

I laugh when I hear some mouth breather refer to Obama as a Socialist..

Hotwheelz 10-10-2013 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by B-Large (Post 3936664)
Obama is a left leaning centrist, that why he won, he appealed to independents who vote vote candidates that appeal to the centrists...

I laugh when I hear some mouth breather refer to Obama as a Socialist..

He's left leaning on some issues like gay rights, but has made too many unnecessary concessions with house republicans for me to have any faith in him.

Pony Boy 10-11-2013 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11 (Post 3936661)
Pony forgets that his heroes Raygun and Dubya both grew government and the debt


The Obama pledge to "get our spending under control"........ROFL!

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