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crush17 10-08-2013 01:31 PM

Frontline "League of Denial: The NFLís Concussion Crisis" - Tonight on PBS
 
The National Football League, a multibillion-dollar commercial juggernaut, presides over Americaís indisputable national pastime. But the NFL is under assault: thousands of former players have claimed the league tried to cover up how football inflicted long-term brain injuries on many players. What did the NFL know, and when did it know it? In a special two-hour investigation, FRONTLINE reveals the hidden story of the NFL and brain injuries.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...gue-of-denial/


Airs tonight on PBS @ 8:00PM MST / 10:00PM EST

Tombstone RJ 10-08-2013 01:38 PM

really? Why not investigate the federal government and how *****ed up that is instead? Frontline, going full retard.

crush17 10-08-2013 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 3935106)
really? Why not investigate the federal government and how *****ed up that is instead? Frontline, going full retard.

You obviously have not paid attention to the development of this documentary.

It was originally supposed to air on ESPN, and then "mysteriously", ESPN pulled out of the project and demanded that the makers of the documentary remove their logo and any association of ESPN from the project.

The airing of the documentary was then moved to PBS because they didn't have any other choice.

Tombstone RJ 10-08-2013 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by crush17 (Post 3935110)
You obviously have not paid attention to the development of this documentary.

It was originally supposed to air on ESPN, and then "mysteriously", ESPN pulled out of the project and demanded that the makers of the documentary remove their logo and any association of ESPN from the project.

The airing of the documentary was then moved to PBS because they didn't have any other choice.

Hilarious!

I do have sympathy for these ex players but this is just not a story that should have frontline's name on it. How about youtubing it instead?

crush17 10-08-2013 01:47 PM

I don't know dude take it up with Frontline I'm just trying to get the message out there that this is airing tonight should anyone care to watch it.

Sheesh.

bpc 10-08-2013 02:00 PM

People running at high speeds engaging in collisions 70-80 snaps a game... You're gonna get hurt. Duh. Let the witch hunt continue though. If you don't like it, don't play, pay for or watch the sport. They're trying to play this out like big tobacco.

crush17 10-08-2013 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bpc (Post 3935127)
People running at high speeds engaging in collisions 70-80 snaps a game... You're gonna get hurt. Duh. Let the witch hunt continue though. If you don't like it, don't play, pay for or watch the sport. They're trying to play this out like big tobacco.

you have completely missed the point.

good jorb.

Kaylore 10-08-2013 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 3935106)
really? Why not investigate the federal government and how *****ed up that is instead? Frontline, going full retard.

Hmmmmmm, would PBS rather go after a commercial entity or a public entity? Hmmmmm....

hades 10-08-2013 02:51 PM

Wait, smoking causes concussions?

J/K!

extralife 10-08-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bpc (Post 3935127)
People running at high speeds engaging in collisions 70-80 snaps a game... You're gonna get hurt. Duh. Let the witch hunt continue though. If you don't like it, don't play, pay for or watch the sport. They're trying to play this out like big tobacco.

because it is like big tobacco, you idiot.

the NFL undermined credible science, bought out journals, gave shill doctors business contracts with the league to support their bogus science, attacked former players, and made false claims about its equipment. for decades the only job of team doctors was to put players back on the field as soon as possible regardless of their personal safety. if the players objected, they were cut and blacklisted.

but you don't care, because you love football. which is why the NFL can get away with trying to kill its players and then throwing them under the bus. and your response will be to insult the players, because football is awesome and has a lot of money behind it. and your response will be to shoot the messenger (PBS, science) and lay out a series of ridiculous false equivalencies.

Kaylore 10-08-2013 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by extralife (Post 3935170)
but you don't care, because you love football. which is why the NFL can get away with trying to kill its players and then throwing them under the bus. and your response will be to insult the players, because football is awesome and has a lot of money behind it. and your response will be to shoot the messenger (PBS, science) and lay out a series of ridiculous false equivalencies.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...oh-brother.gif

UberBroncoMan 10-08-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3935182)

^

Football players aren't complete idiots. They know what they signed up for. It's like being an Alaskan crab fisherman. You could die on your trip, but you're going to make a **** ton of money if you make it back home.

extralife 10-08-2013 03:15 PM

you guys are ****ing idiots. there is nothing I or anyone else can say to you to get you to look at facts. when you put players directly back onto the field after they suffer massive concussions, then bury the concussion research that would expose your idiocy as life threatening, you are trying to kill your players. I'm not going to mince words to protect your identity as a football fan.

oh, and then have among the worst health care and pension systems of any major business in the western hemisphere waiting for those guys after they are dumpstered for being hurt.

but they deserve it! because, I don't know! and the NFL is not liable for anything, because as an obviously dangerous enterprise it is not responsible for any of that danger because owait that is ****ing idiotic.

Tombstone RJ 10-08-2013 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by extralife (Post 3935191)
you guys are ****ing idiots. there is nothing I or anyone else can say to you to get you to look at facts. when you put players directly back onto the field after they suffer massive concussions, then bury the concussion research that would expose your idiocy as life threatening, you are trying to kill your players. I'm not going to mince words to protect your identity as a football fan.

oh, and then have among the worst health care and pension systems of any major business in the western hemisphere waiting for those guys after they are dumpstered for being hurt.

but they deserve it! because, I don't know! and the NFL is not liable for anything, because as an obviously dangerous enterprise it is not responsible for any of that danger because owait that is ****ing idiotic.

you'd have a hard time proving the intent was to kill the player, more like the intent was to win the game at the expense of the player's health which is stupid for sure. Back in the 60's, 70's, 80's and into the 90's concussions where not thought of as life threatening were they? It's only now after 40 years of history that the NFL can look at the long term effects of multiple concussions on the life of a player.

Kaylore 10-08-2013 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by extralife (Post 3935191)
you guys are ****ing idiots. there is nothing I or anyone else can say to you to get you to look at facts. when you put players directly back onto the field after they suffer massive concussions, then bury the concussion research that would expose your idiocy as life threatening, you are trying to kill your players. I'm not going to mince words to protect your identity as a football fan.

oh, and then have among the worst health care and pension systems of any major business in the western hemisphere waiting for those guys after they are dumpstered for being hurt.

but they deserve it! because, I don't know! and the NFL is not liable for anything, because as an obviously dangerous enterprise it is not responsible for any of that danger because owait that is ****ing idiotic.

Yeah these poor football players. It's not like they were familiar with the game or were playing since they were children. No that mean old NFL put a gun to their head and handed them paychecks to play. The inherit culture of "put some dirt on it" had nothing to do with it either. It was all a dastardly plot by evil owners forcing them to do it. The players were always forthcoming about their injuries. The tough guy mentality had nothing to do with it. It's all the NFL's fault. They didn't develop the helmets and safety standards. No they were actively trying to kill players because somehow that would benefit them. Yeah...

Requiem 10-08-2013 04:01 PM

This thread reminds me of the Junior Seau rookie card I found in the trunk of my car. All scrambled up.

Drunken.Broncoholic2 10-08-2013 04:04 PM

Frontline should do a documentary on how the NFL is making money off of cancer.

http://consumerist.com/2012/10/11/ho...s-merchandise/

That One Guy 10-08-2013 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extralife (Post 3935191)
you guys are ****ing idiots. there is nothing I or anyone else can say to you to get you to look at facts. when you put players directly back onto the field after they suffer massive concussions, then bury the concussion research that would expose your idiocy as life threatening, you are trying to kill your players. I'm not going to mince words to protect your identity as a football fan.

oh, and then have among the worst health care and pension systems of any major business in the western hemisphere waiting for those guys after they are dumpstered for being hurt.

but they deserve it! because, I don't know! and the NFL is not liable for anything, because as an obviously dangerous enterprise it is not responsible for any of that danger because owait that is ****ing idiotic.

What exactly did the players think would happen with concussions? They get enough of them and their head explodes while candy and confetti pop out? As Kaylore mentioned, the 'rub some dirt on it' culture is and was a very real thing. Even today, players are trying to stay in games and hide concussions at times because they know their job could be taken by someone else and they want to protect their job more than they're worried about being safe.

Let's not even forget that the people completely made a joke of their cause when they let players from the mid 2000s join in their concussion litigation. 5-10 years ago, it wasn't a secret that concussions were a bad thing. These players are crying because the NFL didn't protect themselves from themselves. I think it's hilarious that the NFL settled as cheaply as they did and so many of the litigants will be left out without a penny of that settlement money.

extralife 10-08-2013 04:52 PM

why are the owners of factories and other manual labor industries required to pay the expenses and lost wages of workers who suffer catastrophic injuries on the job? after all, the workers knew what they were getting into. I find it hilarious when the rich owners of those factories settle for cheap sums and leave the workers damaged for life. LOL. also, I live in the 1890s.

That One Guy 10-08-2013 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by extralife (Post 3935249)
why are the owners of factories and other manual labor industries required to pay the expenses and lost wages of workers who suffer catastrophic injuries on the job? after all, the workers knew what they were getting into. I find it hilarious when the rich owners of those factories settle for cheap sums and leave the workers damaged for life. LOL. also, I live in the 1890s.

Umm... if someone gets hurt in the NFL, they get their salaries and put on IR. They can't be released until they're healed. Injuries and long term effects are different. The concussion issue is about long term effects. Nobody gets cut and has their paycheck taken away because they got a concussion.

Bronco Yoda 10-08-2013 05:16 PM

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thx for the heads up. Ill be watching

randerson1184 10-08-2013 06:15 PM

I plan on watching it. It does feel a bit like a witch hunt, though. I don't think the NFL should bear the blame for this alone. Seems like something we should focus on trying to prevent going forward rather than pointing fingers.

broncosteven 10-08-2013 06:15 PM

I love me some Front line but the last 4 episodes have been about old people dying. Even more depressing than a Washington scandal.

broncosteven 10-08-2013 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by randerson1184 (Post 3935293)
I plan on watching it. It does feel a bit like a witch hunt, though. I don't think the NFL should bear the blame for this alone. Seems like something we should focus on trying to prevent going forward rather than pointing fingers.

I don't think the NFL should be held accountable, the players know what they are getting into and most see it as a ticket out.

If there is a big business interest taking advantage of football players it is the College system. These guys get a free ride but don't take any courses of merit, they leave not bothering to finish and get their degrees the colleges make money hand over fist and the player who didn't know how to manage his instant wealth ends up unemployable after football because he spent all his money buying his moms a house and making it rain.

Sure I generalize and draw big picture stereotypes but this is the iNTerNETS#

Kaylore 10-08-2013 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by That One Guy (Post 3935254)
Umm... if someone gets hurt in the NFL, they get their salaries and put on IR. They can't be released until they're healed. Injuries and long term effects are different. The concussion issue is about long term effects. Nobody gets cut and has their paycheck taken away because they got a concussion.

Extralife is on the wrong side of every issue. He was one of the ones saying Von Miller's party hard lifestyle was fine and would have no negative effects. 6 game suspension and 2 millions dollars lost later it was clearly the wrong choice.

Now he says football is the same as the tobacco industry. You know these players were addicted to football, after all!


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