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Taco John 09-30-2013 04:33 PM

New Republican strategy to eliminate the CR and piecemeal the budget
 
So there's a new strategy making the rounds - we'll see soon how real it is. But basically it's this: rather than yielding to Reid and Obama's desire to shut down the government over a delay, the Republicans in the House may start to pass individual budget measures for essential things, and leave things that aren't deemed essential to just simply go without funding - perhaps even permanently.

In the process, Obamacare simply doesn't get funded, and the Republicans start efforts to advance their own plan which has been in development over the last several months.

Apparently the establishment Republicans like Peter King are howling over this, but Boehner is faced with either doing this, sitting on the bill he just proposed, or hitting the nuclear button and moving against the base and siding with the Democrats.

elsid13 09-30-2013 04:36 PM

That won't play either. CR still need to go to the Senate, and they will just update the bills to reflect the all funding at FY13 levels. Thus sending the bill to conference.

Taco John 09-30-2013 04:36 PM

It's good to see the Republicans working so hard to avoid the obstructionism of Obama and Reid.

Taco John 09-30-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13 (Post 3928074)
That won't play either. CR still need to go to the Senate, and they will just update the bills to reflect the all funding at FY13 levels. Thus sending the bill to conference.

That's fine as far as the Republicans are concerned. It gives them plenty of cover with the public saying that they've offered everything, including obamacare funding in exchange for the same delay that big business got, as well as the point that they've also sent over several individual bills for essential services.

W*GS 09-30-2013 04:47 PM

It's sad to see a libertarian suck up to the GOP.

elsid13 09-30-2013 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 3928075)
It's good to see the Republicans working so hard to avoid the obstructionism of Obama and Reid.

Meanwhile in the real world moderate house republican are about to revolt because they are getting tried of House Republican Leadership tactics. That is according to CNN

houghtam 09-30-2013 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 3928072)
So there's a new strategy making the rounds - we'll see soon how real it is. But basically it's this: rather than yielding to Reid and Obama's desire to shut down the government over a delay, the Republicans in the House may start to pass individual budget measures for essential things, and leave things that aren't deemed essential to just simply go without funding - perhaps even permanently.

In the process, Obamacare simply doesn't get funded, and the Republicans start efforts to advance their own plan which has been in development over the last several months.

Apparently the establishment Republicans like Peter King are howling over this, but Boehner is faced with either doing this, sitting on the bill he just proposed, or hitting the nuclear button and moving against the base and siding with the Democrats.

Stopped reading after this nonsense.

Hilarious!

houghtam 09-30-2013 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13 (Post 3928087)
Meanwhile in the real world moderate house republican are about to revolt because they are getting tried of House Republican Leadership tactics. That is according to CNN

Yeppers.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...lan/?hpt=hp_t1

Rohirrim 09-30-2013 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 3928075)
It's good to see the Republicans working so hard to avoid the obstructionism of Obama and Reid.

:oyvey:

ant1999e 09-30-2013 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13 (Post 3928087)
Meanwhile in the real world moderate house republican are about to revolt because they are getting tried of House Republican Leadership tactics. That is according to CNN

Won't happen.

Miss I. 09-30-2013 05:25 PM

It's not a new strategy. They did this in 2011 instead of actually doing a budget that year. That year we came about 3 days from shutting down. This government will shut down tomorrow. But you know, it's just the nonessential stuff. Really, they are giving people 2 days to leave the National parks if they are already there and shutting everyone else out. DC's trash won't get picked up (which explains why some of these asshats are still here, they didn't get picked up during the last government shut down in the 1990s). Depending on the length it will cost US taxpayers $1-2 billion just to shut and reopen the various impacted government agencies and put back to work the estimated 800, 000 to 1 million federal employees. All of whom already had 6 days of unpaid leave this fiscal year and have had a pay freeze for the last 4 years. On the upside the President and Congress will continue to get paid and keep some of their staff, though not all, only the ones deemed critical to wiping their asses or whatever. As far as I am concerned they are all asshats, but the Republicans in the House are the worst, between that dip****s 21 hour fillibuster and their last minute ditch efforts to stop Obamacare which is already law, voted in 3 years ago. And here's the really funny part, if it shuts down tomorrow (which I would guess it will) Obamacare will still roll out on time tomorrow.

Taco John 09-30-2013 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3928081)
It's sad to see a libertarian suck up to the GOP.

Suck up? We're trying to displace it and turn it into a party that can house libertarians. It's working great so far.

Taco John 09-30-2013 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13 (Post 3928087)
Meanwhile in the real world moderate house republican are about to revolt because they are getting tried of House Republican Leadership tactics. That is according to CNN

This is actually what I hope happens. This would be a great result because it would give us a primary list in the House to match the one that was just collected in the Senate. It would make 2014 that much more interesting.

peacepipe 09-30-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 3928072)
So there's a new strategy making the rounds - we'll see soon how real it is. But basically it's this: rather than yielding to Reid and Obama's desire to shut down the government over a delay, the Republicans in the House may start to pass individual budget measures for essential things, and leave things that aren't deemed essential to just simply go without funding - perhaps even permanently.

In the process, Obamacare simply doesn't get funded, and the Republicans start efforts to advance their own plan which has been in development over the last several months.

Apparently the establishment Republicans like Peter King are howling over this, but Boehner is faced with either doing this, sitting on the bill he just proposed, or hitting the nuclear button and moving against the base and siding with the Democrats.

you must have missed the memo,rethugs are forcing a shut down either that or just like any typical rep you want the shut down but not the responsibility of owning it. fortunately a majority of people see right through it.

peacepipe 09-30-2013 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 3928109)
This is actually what I hope happens. This would be a great result because it would give us a primary list in the House to match the one that was just collected in the Senate. It would make 2014 that much more interesting.

yes a bigger majority for us in the senate and we'll take back the house.

peacepipe 09-30-2013 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e (Post 3928100)
Won't happen.

6 rethugs have already defected, maybe enough will by midnight.

Taco John 09-30-2013 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3928123)
you must have missed the memo,rethugs are forcing a shut down either that or just like any typical rep you want the shut down but not the responsibility of owning it. fortunately a majority of people see right through it.

Actually polls are showing the GOP and Obama receiving the blame within the margin of error.

Taco John 09-30-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3928125)
6 rethugs have already defected, maybe enough will by midnight.

It completely failed. Only 2 establishment republicans voted no and 4 other voted no because they didn't think the anti-Obamacare language in the CR was strong enough.

peacepipe 09-30-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 3928126)
Actually polls are showing the GOP and Obama receiving the blame within the margin of error.

post the links. the link I posted shows its not within a marjin of error.

Miss I. 09-30-2013 06:22 PM

Actually most articles I've seen lay it on the Republicans:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...polls/2897197/

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...own-blame-game

http://news.yahoo.com/government-shu...134003896.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...98T0J720130930

This article is not a poll, but more or less lays the blame on both sides which frankly is is the fault of all of them: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...nding-analysis

But to say polls support the Republicans is erroneous.

On the other hand, the blame game is pointless. Frankly they all need to sack up and work it out. Congress has had the damned budget since February when it was submitted. They dragged this out on purpose to push their agenda. More than one of those asses is planninga bid for President and they think this will get that them there. This could've been dealt with a long time ago, but instead they all took their vacations and screwed around and fillibusterd for 21 hours reading Dr. Seuss to deliberately take advanatage of this. In the 1990s this resulted in a turnover against the Republicans. It probably will again.

houghtam 09-30-2013 06:27 PM

Pew is the only poll out there within margin of error.

Now we'll get to hear all about how the polls are wrong, as if the punch in the face last November wasn't enough.

Keep it coming, TJ :)

ant1999e 09-30-2013 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3928091)

Your link must have updated...

Rigs11 09-30-2013 06:45 PM

The teabaggers have taken over your party.say goodbye to 2014.boner has sided with the wackos

houghtam 09-30-2013 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11 (Post 3928139)
The teabaggers have taken over your party.say goodbye to 2014.boner has sided with the wackos

For now...

gyldenlove 09-30-2013 07:33 PM

Since the ACA is funded largely through Medicaid and Medicare it can't be defunded simply by not funding it without defunding medicaid and medicare.


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