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Bronco Yoda 09-17-2013 02:11 AM

No love for Champ
 
I've watched two different groups of talking heads today on NFL network & also ESPN talking about some of the things that Denver has overcome so far.

Obviously Miller is the key talking point. Much is made how Denvers D will only get better when he returns & how they've managed to go on without him so far.

Interestingly enough Champ being out wasn't mentioned ONCE in all three segments. Not one talking head even acknowledged that our future HOF CB has been out.

Just struck me as odd how invisible Champ seems to have become as of late.

elsid13 09-17-2013 03:13 AM

That just gives you an idea about how well the secondary played in his absence. Elway, Fox and Del Rio have done an excellent job identifying and growing talent.

The Joker 09-17-2013 03:18 AM

I'm interested to see his level of play when he gets back.

His days of being elite are behind him sadly, but he's still been tremendous the last few years. If he hasn't declined significantly then were looking like we have a tremendous starting trio of corners (the third CB is basically a starter these days)

Nice balance too, as each of the three has quite a different skillset.

boltaneer 09-17-2013 03:42 AM

The last impression Bailey left was getting torched repeatedly by Torrey Smith in the playoffs.

Your young CBs are pretty damn good. Honestly, I thiink Denver's defense is better with them starting.

rmsanger 09-17-2013 03:42 AM

This is why
http://blogimages.thescore.com/nfl/f...01/SmithTD.gif


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...gif?1358034257

extralife 09-17-2013 04:05 AM

why should taking heads respect champ when his own ****ing fan base does nothing but talk **** about him?

rmsanger 09-17-2013 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extralife (Post 3917904)
why should taking heads respect champ when his own ****ing fan base does nothing but talk **** about him?

if he didn't choke on caulk in this biggest game of his life/career there wouldn't be any shiz to talk about. Great players rise to the occasion not fall flat like an underdone cake.

extralife 09-17-2013 04:36 AM

go away

elsid13 09-17-2013 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmsanger (Post 3917905)
if he didn't choke on caulk in this biggest game of his life/career there wouldn't be any shiz to talk about. Great players rise to the occasion not fall flat like an underdone cake.

I would say that he didn't choke in the biggest game of his life.

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The Joker 09-17-2013 04:56 AM

It's sad that so called fans of the team would dump on Bailey, even if you do believe he's done. Show some ****ing respect rmsanger, you dismal spacker.

Boltaneer, it'll be interesting to see how Champ looks when he gets back compared to Carter, who while promising still gets picked on. I still think Champ can play at a pretty good level, just so long as he doesn't get matched up against speedsters who he just can't stay with. I expect that'll be DRC's job from here on.

Nice that we're not pinning our hopes on him though.

chanesaw 09-17-2013 05:27 AM

Champ is still our best CB, he just had one bad game last year.

jmz313 09-17-2013 05:44 AM

Champ was great overall last year. I have no problem with him earning his respect when he comes back. He will.

go_broncos 09-17-2013 05:46 AM

champ -- didn't deliver in playoffs.
I hope he is clutch this time and wins SB for himself and for the fans.

HorseHead 09-17-2013 05:54 AM

Nothing but love for 24...

I think we're pretty lucky. Not bad depth we have these days...

DCR was tough against the G-Men...

LRtagger 09-17-2013 05:59 AM

One thing I will say after seeing that second GIF again - I am glad Mike Adams isnt starting at safety anymore.

chanesaw 09-17-2013 06:07 AM

The first gif, I still say that Champ was expecting safety help in the middle, but Smith's speed surprised Champ and everybody else in the secondary.

The second one Champ just made a bad play on the ball. He had beat Smith to the spot, but was running so fast that he couldn't make a vertical jump to intercept the ball. Smith was able to leap forward and catch it over Champ's head. I still like Champ to win that play 75% of the time. But this is the overreactionmane.

mwill07 09-17-2013 06:09 AM

Champ Bailey will be the best #2 CB in the league. I can't wait to see what happens when teams shy away from DRC and start throwing in Champs direction.

Vegas_Bronco 09-17-2013 06:13 AM

We have been a bit lucky in that the best WR's on each of the two teams Denver has played have gone out with injuries at some point in the game.

ScottXray 09-17-2013 06:20 AM

I, also, am curious how well Champ will play when he gets back
in the game. For now we aren't being hurt by his absence. He should take
whatever time he needs to get healthy.

At the same time , the good play by Harris and DRC makes
Champs contract a no brainer, next year. He is going to have to take
a cut , and may slide to #2 or #3 position. Harris and DRC will get paid
( as of right now).

Unfortunately Age and Injury catches everyone....and right now its neck and neck between Champ and those two. There is no question who will win...just how long it takes.

Kaylore 09-17-2013 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by chanesaw (Post 3917911)
Champ is still our best CB, he just had one bad game last year.


I am not sure your first point is still true. I do agree with the last, though. He had one bad game, but almost every other Bronco except for Holiday did too.

55CrushEm 09-17-2013 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3917930)
I am not sure your first point is still true. I do agree with the last, though. He had one bad game, but almost every other Bronco except for Holiday did too.

Agreed. Not sure why so many people get upset by some pointing out that Champ is not the best CB in the league anymore, or that we MIGHT be just as good with the younger faster replacements.

Nobody is saying that they don't love Champ, or that he wasn't the greatest ever for a long time.....just that he's no longer what he was.

I guess we can call them "Champboners". Not quite the same ring as Tebowner, but you get my point.

Jesus.....I swear some would say you're "disrespecting" Champ if you still didn't want him starting at the age of 50.

mwill07 09-17-2013 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3917930)
I am not sure your first point is still true. I do agree with the last, though. He had one bad game, but almost every other Bronco except for Holiday did too.

In terms of skill and veteran savvyness, Champ is still the best. In terms of raw speed and ability to cover big, fast WR's w/o safety help, that goes to DRC.

I think Champs days as a shutdown corner are over - no more closing down 1/2 of the field single-handed. Thats ok though, because he still has some damn fine skills and is clearly an asset.

55CrushEm 09-17-2013 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwill07 (Post 3917938)
I think Champs days as a shutdown corner are over - no more closing down 1/2 of the field single-handed.

You disrespectful bastard!! Where's the love?!?! Champ is the greatest....errrr was.....errr IS the greatest ever!! Nurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

bronco militia 09-17-2013 07:09 AM

hey look, no flag :cuss:

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...gif?1358034257

LittleFloyd 09-17-2013 07:26 AM

Champ is the best corner ever to play in Denver.


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