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TonyR 07-26-2013 10:46 AM

The GOP sabotage of Obamacare
 
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When a law is enacted, representatives who opposed it have some choices (which are not mutually exclusive). They can try to repeal it, which is perfectly acceptable—unless it becomes an effort at grandstanding so overdone that it detracts from other basic responsibilities of governing. They can try to amend it to make it work better—not just perfectly acceptable but desirable, if the goal is to improve a cumbersome law to work better for the betterment of the society and its people. They can strive to make sure that the law does the most for Americans it is intended to serve, including their own constituents, while doing the least damage to the society and the economy. Or they can step aside and leave the burden of implementation to those who supported the law and got it enacted in the first place.

But to do everything possible to undercut and destroy its implementation—which in this case means finding ways to deny coverage to many who lack any health insurance; to keep millions who might be able to get better and cheaper coverage in the dark about their new options; to create disruption for the health providers who are trying to implement the law, including insurers, hospitals, and physicians; to threaten the even greater disruption via a government shutdown or breach of the debt limit in order to blackmail the president into abandoning the law; and to hope to benefit politically from all the resulting turmoil—is simply unacceptable, even contemptible. One might expect this kind of behavior from a few grenade-throwing firebrands. That the effort is spearheaded by the Republican leaders of the House and Senate—even if Speaker John Boehner is motivated by fear of his caucus, and McConnell and Cornyn by fear of Kentucky and Texas Republican activists—takes one’s breath away.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/colum...acare-20130724

TonyR 07-26-2013 10:48 AM

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It’s bad enough to just not care all that much if the U.S. has a large uninsured population. But if there’s an excuse for encouraging people who have the means to remain uninsured, I can’t fathom it.

It almost goes without saying that this effort is being undertaken to keep younger, healthier people out of the exchanges, and send the individual insurance market into an adverse-selection “death spiral.” That would ruin the system for people who want the help Obamacare offers them. And so the campaign effectively amounts to asking people to continue putting their well-being and livelihoods at risk for the good of the cause of keeping health care for sick people unaffordable.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archive...e_sabotage.php

TonyR 07-26-2013 10:49 AM

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So not only are they going to be encouraging people to break the law, they're literally going to be encouraging people not to buy health insurance. Nice. I wonder if FreedomWorks plans to help out the first person who takes them up on this and then contracts leukemia? I'm guessing probably not.

What's next? A campaign to get people to skip wearing seat belts? To skip using baby seats in cars? To skip vaccinations for their kids? It's times like this that words fail those of us with a few remaining vestiges of human decency.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...alth-insurance

Pony Boy 07-26-2013 11:07 AM

Humm ..... maybe not just the GOP


Labor Unions: Obamacare Will 'Shatter' Our Health Benefits, Cause 'Nightmare Scenarios'

Last Thursday, representatives of three of the nation’s largest unions fired off a letter to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, warning that Obamacare would “shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...are-scenarios/

07-26-2013 12:18 PM

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But to do everything possible to undercut and destroy its implementation—which in this case means finding ways to deny coverage to many who lack any health insurance; to keep millions who might be able to get better and cheaper coverage in the dark about their new options;
What's super awesome is when this kind of rhetoric is used to paint those who opposed the mandate as having blood on their hands, but when the President unilaterally ignores the law and sets part of the mandate aside himself to avoid it impacting an election cycle, it's just because he's just a popular pragmatist. LOL

07-26-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3882744)
Humm ..... maybe not just the GOP


Labor Unions: Obamacare Will 'Shatter' Our Health Benefits, Cause 'Nightmare Scenarios'

Last Thursday, representatives of three of the nation’s largest unions fired off a letter to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, warning that Obamacare would “shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...are-scenarios/

Even the IRS employees union (the people enforcing the OCare mandate) want no part of it.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/26/ir...lectors-into-o

LOL

Tone's just trying to get out in front of this historic clusterfark with a stream of excuses so his fan-club belief system will be allowed to bash on regardless.

Rohirrim 07-26-2013 02:44 PM

Like Patrick Moynihan pointed out, you want to fix the problem of health care in the U.S.? Simply erase the age limit in Medicare.

baja 07-26-2013 03:01 PM

RE: The OP

One can only hope so.

Rohirrim 07-26-2013 03:04 PM

When the first, black president was elected, a corp group of Republicans, primarily from the South, swore that they would destroy his presidency. I don't see that anything has changed, as far as that goes.

errand 07-26-2013 06:56 PM

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barryr 07-26-2013 07:54 PM

Obamacare will destroy the economy and will make premiums go up(gee, some of us said it would happen), and more jobs are going part time to avoid having to pay the high costs, but it's republicans fault even though backroom deals with democrats(Nelson)were involved in this and republicans weren't even brought to the table on it. Good grief, liberals are stupid and never stop this rewriting of history. But what do you expect from people that keep voting for a guy who thinks we have 57 states?

barryr 07-26-2013 08:17 PM

Oh, the irony. "Have to pass it to see what's in it." Yeah, how did that work out?

"In order to ensure Americans understand how to access the benefits available to them when many provisions of the Affordable Care Act go online October 1, the Obama administration announced last month that it is setting up a call center that will be accessible to Americans 24 hours a day."

"One branch of that call center will be located in California’s Contra Costa County, where, reportedly, 7,000 people applied for the 204 jobs. According to the Contra Costa Times, however, “about half the jobs are part-time, with no health benefits — a stinging disappointment to workers and local politicians who believed the positions would be full-time.” The county supervisor, Karen Mitchoff, called the hiring process “a comedy of errors” and said she “never dreamed [the jobs] would be part-time.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...eliana-johnson

Marshall Dumervil 07-26-2013 08:59 PM

Tell you what, my buddy was born with 2 bad kidneys. His 1st transplant bankrupted his family. Of course, it wasn't covered by insurance because it was preexisting. **** that. He got his 2nd kidney a few months ago, fortunately it was covered.

Anyone that wants to bash Obamacare can kiss my ass.

baja 07-26-2013 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3882932)
When the first, black president was elected, a corp group of Republicans, primarily from the South, swore that they would destroy his presidency. I don't see that anything has changed, as far as that goes.

Actually he beat them to it.

Missouribronc 07-26-2013 09:40 PM

Who is going to pay for this? Employers are going to stop providing health care. That's the bottom line. So who is going to pay for all the people going on the government's dime?

Meck77 07-26-2013 09:45 PM

$85,000,000,000 per month being printed up each month just to try and keep this economy going. They hinted at stopping it and the markets tanked.

16 trillion in debt last I check. It probably 17 now.......

Is there anyone here that feels like they aren't paying enough taxes already? Anyone want to pay more?

baja 07-26-2013 09:53 PM

You taxes go to pay the bankers interest on the money it creates out of nothing and lends to the federal government. JFK said hey why do we borrow fake money from the bankers(Federal Reserve) when we can print it ourselves. So he did and 5 months later he was shot to death. When are you going to figure out the bankers are the problem? How do you manage to be so obtuse?

pricejj 07-26-2013 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Missouribronc (Post 3883113)
Who is going to pay for this? Employers are going to stop providing health care. That's the bottom line. So who is going to pay for all the people going on the government's dime?

The middle class.







OP is complete and utter garbage.

TonyR 08-06-2013 01:39 PM

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For conservatives, freedom is always coupled with personal responsibility. Your right to be free from government interference is also an implicit statement that you can take care of yourself – and won’t at some point suddenly change your mind. This is the core of conservative libertarianism: an assertion of radical independence, responsibility and self-sufficiency.

In many areas, this makes perfect sense – but healthcare isn’t one of them. Disease and accident make no distinctions among us. And since 1986, hospitals have been legally required to treat anyone seriously ill who presents himself at an emergency room, with clear medical needs. In the most fundamental way, that was the moment the US socialized medicine – and Ronald Reagan signed the bill. Alas, like so many Reagan domestic initiatives, there was no federal money provided to pay for this. And we all know what happened next: all those extra costs for the uninsured drove up premiums for everyone else, drove up hospital costs, giving them a reason to raise prices even further, and played a role in rendering healthcare unaffordable for many others.

What Obamacare does, like Romneycare before it, is end this free-loading.

The law is telling these young adults that if you want to go without insurance, you are not going to make everyone else pay for it if your risk-analysis ends up faulty. You have to exercise a minimum of personal responsibility to pay for your own potential healthcare. In other words, rights come with responsibilities in a liberal democracy. At least that is what I always understood the conservative position to be.
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...rvative-value/

Rigs11 08-06-2013 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3888475)

great piece, the righties are always talking about free loading yet all they can do is whine.or let people starve.christians they are.:rofl:

Pony Boy 08-06-2013 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11 (Post 3888495)
great piece, the righties are always talking about free loading yet all they can do is whine.or let people starve.christians they are.:rofl:

Oh yes a great article written by a fagot from England ........ how about at least find an Article written by an American.

Andrew Sullivan –

Andrew was born in August 1963 and grew up in East Grinstead, West Sussex, England. He attended Reigate Grammar School, and Magdalen College, Oxford, where he took a First in Modern History and Modern Languages. He was also President of the Oxford Union, and spent his summer vacations as an actor in the National Youth Theatre of Great Britain.

In 1989, Sullivan wrote the first national cover-story in favor of marriage equality, and subsequently an essay, “The Politics of Homosexuality” in The New Republic in 1993, an article the Nation called the most influential of the decade in the gay rights movement. In 1995, he published his first book, “Virtually Normal,” a case for marriage equality, which was translated into a five languages. He testified against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, edited an anthology, “Same-Sex Marriage: Pro and Con” and toured the country campaigning on the issue. His second book, ‘Love Undetectable: Notes on Friendship, Sex, and Survival,’ was published in 1998 in the United States and Britain. Sullivan tested positive for HIV in 1993, and remains in good health. In 2006, he published “The Conservative Soul,” a critique of the direction of the American right in the new millennium. In 2007, he was one of the first political writers to champion the presidential campaign of Barack Obama and his cover-story for the Atlantic, “Why Obama Matters”, was regarded as a mile-stone in that campaign’s messaging.


http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/about/

TonyR 08-06-2013 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3888561)
Oh yes a great article written by a fagot from England ........ how about at least find an Article written by an American.

Seriously? So you're a proud bigot? Bet you're a big Riley Cooper fan. You gonna start throwing around the N-word next? Do you think you're somehow better than homosexuals and the British?

elsid13 08-06-2013 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3888561)
Oh yes a great article written by a fagot from England ........ how about at least find an Article written by an American.

Andrew Sullivan –

Andrew was born in August 1963 and grew up in East Grinstead, West Sussex, England. He attended Reigate Grammar School, and Magdalen College, Oxford, where he took a First in Modern History and Modern Languages. He was also President of the Oxford Union, and spent his summer vacations as an actor in the National Youth Theatre of Great Britain.

In 1989, Sullivan wrote the first national cover-story in favor of marriage equality, and subsequently an essay, “The Politics of Homosexuality” in The New Republic in 1993, an article the Nation called the most influential of the decade in the gay rights movement. In 1995, he published his first book, “Virtually Normal,” a case for marriage equality, which was translated into a five languages. He testified against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, edited an anthology, “Same-Sex Marriage: Pro and Con” and toured the country campaigning on the issue. His second book, ‘Love Undetectable: Notes on Friendship, Sex, and Survival,’ was published in 1998 in the United States and Britain. Sullivan tested positive for HIV in 1993, and remains in good health. In 2006, he published “The Conservative Soul,” a critique of the direction of the American right in the new millennium. In 2007, he was one of the first political writers to champion the presidential campaign of Barack Obama and his cover-story for the Atlantic, “Why Obama Matters”, was regarded as a mile-stone in that campaign’s messaging.


http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/about/


Sullivan is process of becoming an American citizen. He is United States Permanent Resident working his way to full citizenship.

Pony Boy 08-06-2013 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13 (Post 3888592)
Sullivan is process of becoming an American citizen. He is United States Permanent Resident working his way to full citizenship.

Yes an HIV positive Homosexual from England that has a hard on for Obamacare on his way to becoming an American citizen......... is this a great country or what?

Rohirrim 08-06-2013 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3888561)
Oh yes a great article written by a fagot from England ........ how about at least find an Article written by an American.

:spit:


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