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Fedaykin 07-24-2013 03:56 AM

Tar Sands spill in alberta that no one knows how to stop.
 
http://grist.org/news/no-one-knows-h...ds-oil-spills/

Welcome to the future of dino powered economies. As the "easy to access" sweet crude dries up, it'll become more profitable to do more risky things like trying to extract underground tar sands, which will result in messes like this.

“This is a new kind of oil spill and there is no ‘off button,’” said Keith Stewart, an energy analyst with Greenpeace who teaches a course on energy policy and environment at the University of Toronto. “You can’t cap it like a conventional oil well or turn off a valve on a pipeline.

“You are pressurizing the oil bed so hard that it’s no wonder that it blows out. This means that the oil will continue to leak until the well is no longer pressurized,” which means the bitumen could be seeping from the ground for months.

Let's inject pressurized steam into the ground to liquify the tar so we can suck it up. What? No way to release the pressure should something go wrong? Pfht, stand aside there's money to be made!

Rohirrim 07-24-2013 07:23 AM

Of course, when they build the Keystone pipeline, they'll be extra safe and careful. "Trust us." Ha!

I think that's what BP said about deep Gulf drilling.

Pony Boy 07-24-2013 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Fedaykin (Post 3881541)
http://grist.org/news/no-one-knows-h...ds-oil-spills/

Welcome to the future of dino powered economies. As the "easy to access" sweet crude dries up, it'll become more profitable to do more risky things like trying to extract underground tar sands, which will result in messes like this.

“This is a new kind of oil spill and there is no ‘off button,’” said Keith Stewart, an energy analyst with Greenpeace who teaches a course on energy policy and environment at the University of Toronto. “You can’t cap it like a conventional oil well or turn off a valve on a pipeline.

“You are pressurizing the oil bed so hard that it’s no wonder that it blows out. This means that the oil will continue to leak until the well is no longer pressurized,” which means the bitumen could be seeping from the ground for months.

Let's inject pressurized steam into the ground to liquify the tar so we can suck it up. What? No way to release the pressure should something go wrong? Pfht, stand aside there's money to be made!

Great .... an opinion from a left wing liberal Greenpeace professor .....:rofl:

Fedaykin 07-24-2013 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3881562)
Great .... an opinion from a left wing liberal Greenpeace professor .....:rofl:

Nice ad hominem, and sad inability to differentiate between an opinion and a fact being relayed.

07-24-2013 07:38 AM

Petroleum will fail to dominate the energy markets when it is neither fiscally or environmentally prudent to extract it.

I am going to bet price will phase out oil much quicker than environmental issues...

Pony Boy 07-24-2013 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Fedaykin (Post 3881565)
Nice ad hominem, and sad inability to differentiate between an opinion and a fact being relayed.

Right nothing but the facts from an energy analyst with Greenpeace ........... he has no dog in this fight.

Fedaykin 07-24-2013 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3881573)
Right nothing but the facts from an energy analyst with Greenpeace ........... he has no dog in this fight.

Didn't say that. Try again.

Pony Boy 07-24-2013 08:00 AM

It's really cool when you can force your kid to promote Greenpeace and the gays at the same time, maybe we can put a little tar sand in his hair too.

Fedaykin 07-24-2013 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3881579)
It's really cool when you can force your kid to promote Greenpeace and the gays at the same time, maybe we can put a little tar sand in his hair too.

And now we're just off to non-sequitur land. Typical.

houghtam 07-24-2013 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3881573)
Right nothing but the facts from an energy analyst with Greenpeace ........... he has no dog in this fight.

Care to address specific points in the article, Mr. Environmental Scientist?

Rohirrim 07-24-2013 09:18 AM

Imagine what the oil companies would do if organizations like Greenpeace didn't exist?

Rigs11 07-24-2013 09:21 AM

Let's try the rightie way of solving this, ignore it and less regulation! right pony?

Blaze erupts on Gulf of Mexico rig after natural gas blowout

A fire erupted on a drilling rig off the Louisiana coast that was surrounded by a “major cloud of gas” after it experienced a blowout, officials said late Tuesday.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...s-blowout?lite

07-24-2013 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11 (Post 3881610)
Let's try the rightie way of solving this, ignore it and less regulation! right pony?

Could be worse. Could use more regulation to arbitrarily reward friends and harass enemies.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...est=latestnews

Bronco Yoda 07-24-2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11 (Post 3881610)
Let's try the rightie way of solving this, ignore it and less regulation! right pony?

Blaze erupts on Gulf of Mexico rig after natural gas blowout

A fire erupted on a drilling rig off the Louisiana coast that was surrounded by a “major cloud of gas” after it experienced a blowout, officials said late Tuesday.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...s-blowout?lite


Unless of course it's on their land. Then all of a sudden it's 'somebody should be protecting us from this sort of thing'. :giggle:

alkemical 07-24-2013 10:44 AM

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-sp...ends_in_m.html

BP oil spill cleanup ending in Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida, Coast Guard and BP say




http://apr.org/post/cause-exxon-oil-...-investigation

Cause Of Exxon Oil Spill In Arkansas Under Investigation

houghtam 07-24-2013 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda (Post 3881629)
Unless of course it's on their land. Then all of a sudden it's 'somebody should be protecting us from this sort of thing'. :giggle:

Interesting that you say that, as the story alkemical linked below says exactly that. Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, three of the more conservative states you'll find, are contesting the idea that the area is "cleaned" and are still lawyering for more federal funding for cleanup efforts. Yet Beavis said these spills were always overstated, and damage was far less extensive than the media would have you believe.

So which is it guys? Why would conservative state officials be overstating damage so they can get more of those beloved federal tax dollars they hate so much?

07-24-2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3881646)
Why would conservative state officials be overstating damage so they can get more of those beloved federal tax dollars

Your question answers itself.

houghtam 07-24-2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3881651)
Your question answers itself.

It may. But for those of us who have lived it or seen it firsthand, the damage isn't ever "overstated".

And then there's you.

07-24-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3881703)
It may. But for those of us who have lived it or seen it firsthand, the damage isn't ever "overstated".

And then there's you.

"I saw something once, therefore nothing is ever exaggerated."

Makes sense.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...007428,00.html

houghtam 07-24-2013 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3881795)
"I saw something once, therefore nothing is ever exaggerated."

Makes sense.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...007428,00.html

"I don't like paying for things and I want cheaper oil, therefore EVERYTHING is exaggerated."

Makes sense.

07-24-2013 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3881853)
"I don't like paying for things and I want cheaper oil, therefore EVERYTHING is exaggerated."

Makes sense.

Don't think I ever said everything is exaggerated. I just happen to think that when people at large operate out of fear, especially within fear of the unknown... exaggeration is often the most likely first reaction.

A semi-related but interesting read.

http://www.independent.org/events/transcript.asp?id=111

houghtam 07-24-2013 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3881884)
Don't think I ever said everything is exaggerated. I just happen to think that when people at large operate out of fear, especially within fear of the unknown... exaggeration is often the most likely first reaction.

A semi-related but interesting read.

http://www.independent.org/events/transcript.asp?id=111

And yet, just like everything else, you invent a premise, then find evidence to support it.

The fact of the matter is that there are those of us who have experienced the effects firsthand (myself being one of them), and who have lived for extended periods of time in affected communities (myself being one of them). What I'm telling you is that you don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about.

For the millionth time, go to some of these places you're talking out of your ass about and see for yourself. Try telling the residents they're exaggerating. See what kind of response you get.

Post a video, if you can. We'd all enjoy the laugh.

07-24-2013 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3881904)
And yet, just like everything else, you invent a premise, then find evidence to support it.

The fact of the matter is that there are those of us who have experienced the effects firsthand (myself being one of them), and who have lived for extended periods of time in affected communities (myself being one of them). What I'm telling you is that you don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about.

For the millionth time, go to some of these places you're talking out of your ass about and see for yourself. Try telling the residents they're exaggerating. See what kind of response you get.

Post a video, if you can. We'd all enjoy the laugh.

Been on the gulf coast numerous times since the predicted apocalypse. Can't say much that was predicted came to pass.

houghtam 07-24-2013 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3881939)
Been on the gulf coast numerous times since the predicted apocalypse. Can't say much that was predicted came to pass.

You mean like local business owners losing business and tourism going through the floor? Let me guess...it was all concocted.

LOL

Bull****, you've never been there.

Eldorado 07-24-2013 08:18 PM

So, this thread went full retard in near record time.


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