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houghtam 06-26-2013 07:33 AM

Supreme Court Rules on DOMA and Prop 8
 
Huge victories here.

I'm trying to read the dissent and see if there was anything about "but gays will still never be normal" in there.

LOL

Pony Boy 06-26-2013 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3868698)
Huge victories here.

I'm trying to read the dissent and see if there was anything about "but gays will still never be normal" in there.

LOL

Yes some day same-sex buttsex will be as normal as holding hands in the park and we will all look back and laugh at how stupid we were.

orangeatheist 06-26-2013 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3868727)
Yes some day same-sex buttsex will be as normal as holding hands in the park and we will all look back and laugh at how stupid we were.

Hey, I'm all for seeing some girl-on-girl action in the park. If you don't approve, head back into your church and see if you can pray it away! :D

houghtam 06-26-2013 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3868727)
Yes some day same-sex buttsex will be as normal as holding hands in the park and we will all look back and laugh at how stupid we were.

Some of you will. Those of us who never had a problem with other people's personal choices were never that stupid to begin with.

Thank the creator you conservatives are so consistent on that individual liberties thing.

Kid A 06-26-2013 08:24 AM

Scalia went full-troll in his rambling dissent. The guy who invalidated the legislatively passed (and constantly renewed) VRA yesterday now wants to b**** about judicial overstep. **** that guy.

Good day for the US, though. No matter how underwhelming the Democratic presidents in recent years or to come, the Supreme Court appointments are reasons 1, 2 and 3 to keep doing so until a better option presents itself.

Rohirrim 06-26-2013 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Kid A (Post 3868765)
Scalia went full-troll in his rambling dissent. The guy who invalidated the legislatively passed (and constantly renewed) VRA yesterday now wants to b**** about judicial overstep. **** that guy.

Good day for the US, though. No matter how underwhelming the Democratic presidents in recent years or to come, the Supreme Court appointments are reasons 1, 2 and 3 to keep doing so until a better option presents itself.

Scalia is one of the worst justices in the history of the court.

Pony Boy 06-26-2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3868733)
Some of you will. Those of us who never had a problem with other people's personal choices were never that stupid to begin with.

Thank the creator you conservatives are so consistent on that individual liberties thing.

Hey, no argument here..... I'm sure when the founding fathers discussed protecting individual liberties the same-sex buttsex topic was a hot issue.

cutthemdown 06-26-2013 08:53 AM

Scalia an amazing judge and a very intelligent man. Other attorney's look up to him.

Pony Boy 06-26-2013 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3868698)
Huge victories here.

I'm trying to read the dissent and see if there was anything about "but gays will still never be normal" in there.

LOL

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houghtam 06-26-2013 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3868819)
Hey, no argument here..... I'm sure when the founding fathers discussed protecting individual liberties the same-sex buttsex topic was a hot issue.

No, but slavery was, and they missed the mark on that one, didn't they?

Or are you arguing that we should bring back slavery?

Kid A 06-26-2013 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3868824)
Scalia an amazing judge and a very intelligent man. Other attorney's look up to him.

Arguably the most influential on the current court; even if I wholly disagree with his originalist theory, he almost single handedly engrained it as mainstream.

But on some issues, particularly gay rights, he just embarrasses himself with his rhetoric. You read about his career and he hasn't necessarily become more conservative, but in the last decade he's started talking like a guy who listens to a lot of right wing radio.

His dissent on Lawrence v. Texas (the case ending sodomy bans) and now this one are not the work of a man concerned with professionalism or who deserves much respect.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...exuality-court

http://www.businessinsider.com/anton...sarcasm-2013-6

Rohirrim 06-26-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3868824)
Scalia an amazing judge and a very intelligent man. Other attorney's look up to him.

He's a rigid ideologue who's capacity to reason facts is severely limited by his biases. If you agree with his biases, then I can see where you're coming from.

Here's one of my favorite Scalia quotes:
“Mere factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly reached”

BroncoInferno 06-26-2013 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kid A (Post 3868881)
Arguably the most influential on the current court; even if I wholly disagree with his originalist theory, he almost single handedly engrained it as mainstream.

If Scalia consistently applied his "orignalist" theory, I could respect, if disagree, with him. But he doesn't. His vote on Citizens United is just one egregious example (there's no evidence that the "original" intent of the Founders was for corporations to be given the rights of individuals under the Constitution).

Rohirrim 06-26-2013 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno (Post 3868913)
If Scalia consistently applied his "orignalist" theory, I could respect, if disagree, with him. But he doesn't. His vote on Citizens United is just one egregious example (there's no evidence that the "original" intent of the Founders was for corporations to be given the rights of individuals under the Constitution).

While there definitely is evidence to the contrary.

Pony Boy 06-26-2013 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3868843)
No, but slavery was, and they missed the mark on that one, didn't they?

Or are you arguing that we should bring back slavery?

Yes I think we should bring back slavery in about 20 years when whites become the minority and also give back any land they own to the Native Americans.

06-26-2013 10:19 AM

The Prop 8 decision was the real trainwreck here. The implications of that won't be properly understood for years.

cutthemdown 06-26-2013 10:36 AM

Once again though the supposed right wingers give enough support to the left to do the right thing. When court sides with the left its a huge victory. When they don't win they cry activist court!

Rohirrim 06-26-2013 10:52 AM

I just read Scalia's dissent, I mean tantrum. What a clown. :oyvey:

houghtam 06-26-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3869007)
I just read Scalia's dissent, I mean tantrum. What a clown. :oyvey:

Did you see the part where he was giving enough support to the left to do the right thing?

cutthemdown 06-26-2013 11:35 AM

I love how the left focuses on the dissent instead of the real story that this court comes left when they feel its in the law. Ask yourself how often the liberals come to the right then tell me who is biased and partisan.

cutthemdown 06-26-2013 11:37 AM

It's a conservative win IMO. More families, more comittment, and the weddings and divorces create good jobs. To me its a no brainer of course let all people marry. They should even let men have more then one wife. I mean why stop 2 women from marrying who they want. Just let people be socially liberal if they want I don't see what the big deal is.

Kid A 06-26-2013 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3869055)
I love how the left focuses on the dissent instead of the real story that this court comes left when they feel its in the law. Ask yourself how often the liberals come to the right then tell me who is biased and partisan.

Uh, no. There has been zero yield to the left on any notable case from Scalia, Alito or Thomas. You can only be referring to Kennedy on the DOMA decision and Roberts on upholding Obamacare, which:

1) Kennedy has always been strongly pro-gay rights. He authored the opinion in Lawrence v. Texas, too. This isn't him deciding to look past his general conservatism to go to the left because the law compels him to. Everyone who follows the Court saw this 5-4 split coming b/c it has long been part of Kennedy's legal philosophy re: discrimination.

2) Roberts' swing vote on the ACA was, legitimately, stunning. Because, by all accounts, he was ready to rule against it, then realized how that would look / impact the view of his Court. He found a way to stretch a taxation interpretation that, legally, was pretty weak, but allowed him to save face while also striking down the commerce clause.

Rigs11 06-26-2013 11:56 AM

Pat Robertson is probably having a heart attack..Hilarious!Fat boy limbaugh is freaking out too.

cutthemdown 06-26-2013 12:03 PM

exactly repub president nominate just enough to come left when it matters most. The left however puts up activist judges without the chops of the judges like Roberts, Kennedy and Scalia.

houghtam 06-26-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3869119)
exactly repub president nominate just enough to come left when it matters most. The left however puts up activist judges without the chops of the judges like Roberts, Kennedy and Scalia.

LOL

You're dumb.


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