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houghtam 06-24-2013 12:48 PM

More Conservative Idiocy on Rape...This Time by a Woman
 
Some of you may remember me saying this to cut:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpos...8&postcount=27

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Now, if only the members of your party would get their heads out of their asses and stop putting their feet in their mouths, then maybe the GOP might be able to siphon some of the more fiscally conservative people who refuse to vote Republican because they think they're a bunch of cavemen.

But it won't happen. I can guarantee you, like clockwork, at least one GOP politician will say something stupid about either LGBT issues or rape/abortion THIS WEEK.
Aaaaaand what do you know...and it's a woman this time that apparently doesn't even know how her own body works.

Texas Abortion Law Closer to Passing Even After Absurd Rape Comment

http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-livin...171300998.html

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"In the emergency room they have what's called rape kits where a woman can get cleaned out. The woman had five months to make that decision, at this point we are looking at a baby that is very far along in its development."

- Jodie Laubenberg (R)
Just another example of a culture of ignorance that shuns science, technology and knowledge. And to think, this woman was once Chair of the Texas House Public Health Committee. And most of you still probably think prerequisites for committee positions are a bad idea.

And still another issue here is the constant chorus of conservatives (like Beavis) saying "Roe v. Wade isn't going anywhere, you don't need to worry about losing your precious abortions" and yet here they are, passing laws like this that ban abortions after 20 weeks. Even if (when) the Supreme Court strikes it down, it will at the very least come out as a colossal waste of taxpayer time and money.

So much for fiscal conservatism.

Rigs11 06-24-2013 12:54 PM

Republicans: Boehner's to Blame for GOP's Foot-in-Mouth Disease
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epublicans are blaming House leadership for losing focus and giving divisive bills too much play.


Fetal masturbation. Rape doesn’t usually result in pregnancy. Grade-schoolers should be taught traditional gender roles.

A handful of House Republican lawmakers seem unable to stop making headlines on abortion and gay marriage. And Republicans on and off the Hill know who’s to blame:

House Speaker John Boehner.

GOP lawmakers, strategists, and insiders say Boehner and House leadership are enabling foot-in-mouth disease by allowing divisive social issues to reemerge at a time when Republicans were finally winning the daily messaging war against a controversy-plagued White House.

Republicans say they want leadership to start calling out the fringers, distancing the party from the lawmakers’ remarks. And they want leaders to stop bowing to interest-group pressure to put risky social issues on the House floor.

“Somebody, somewhere has got to strengthen their spine, and they have to man up and say to the groups, ‘These are not the kinds of conversations that are going to win elections and keep us in the majority,’ ” said Lisa Camooso Miller, a former House GOP leadership aide.

The current controversy began during debate on a bill to ban abortion after 20 weeks. The plan’s Republican sponsor, Rep. Trent Franks of Arizona, said, “You know, the incidences of rape resulting in pregnancy are very low.” Within hours, the Internet exploded with comparisons to former Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin’s infamous “legitimate rape” comments.

But it didn’t stop there.

A few days later, Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, trying to argue that if a 15-week fetus can feel pleasure it can also feel pain, stumbled into what has become known as the fetal-masturbation argument. “If they’re a male baby, they may have their hand between their legs. If they feel pleasure, why is it so hard to think that they could feel pain?” the former OB/GYN asked.

The next day, GOP Rep. Phil Gingrey of Georgia took to the floor to support the Defense of Marriage Act, which denies federal benefits to legally married same-sex couples, by arguing that schools should teach traditional gender roles to kids in grade school.

The resulting trifecta was met in some Republican circles with the collective thwap of palms smacking foreheads.

“When there is an occasional Akin eruption, that very much undermines our messages on the issues that the American people care about,” said Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Pa. “When these types of very incendiary comments are made, it brands other Republicans, who do not share those views, with those who make inflamatory, and I would argue uninformed, comments.”

Dent and others said leadership shouldn’t have put the abortion bill on the floor in the first place. They should be focused on the issues people care about, namely jobs and public distrust of government. Instead, he said, “we just had a debate on rape and abortion. Good grief.”

Or, as Camooso Miller put it, “After Trent Franks said what he said ... who in leadership in his right mind thought that it was a good idea to put that out? Anybody with half a brain would know that only more bad quotes would come from it.”

A GOP strategist went even further, calling it “leadership-sponsored ignorance.”

But a House GOP leadership aide defended the decision to put the bill on the floor, citing the Kermit Gosnell trial that saw the Philadelphia abortion doctor sentenced to life in prison for killing a baby born alive.

“It doesn’t make sense to pull a bill that has overwhelming support in the wake of something as horrible as the Gosnell trial because somebody said something that sounded inartful,” the aide said. “I’m sure that many of the same people sitting in booths in downtown restaurants saying we should have pulled the bill would be saying we lacked backbone” if we had pulled it.

Still, those “inartful” comments are particularly worrisome among Republican women.

“For every step forward Republicans have taken to promote positive messages on jobs, the economy, the recent scandals or the negative impacts of 'Obamacare,' comments from a small handful of members—ranging from the unbelievable to the absurd—have drowned them out,” said a female GOP strategist. “These comments are scaring and alienating women, and it’s sad because conservative policies help women far more than liberal policies do.”

Republican women lawmakers are “growing increasingly frustrated,” according to one GOP lawmaker. The leadership needs to weigh in. “It’s not changing people’s minds, it’s just saying, ‘Hey, don’t say stupid things,’ ” the lawmaker said.

But that’s exactly the problem: Leadership hasn’t told anybody to knock it off, according to another GOP lawmaker.

“Nobody wants to stick their neck out too far,” the legislator said. “The problem is, nobody confronts members.”

Of course, leaders can’t tell members what they can and can’t say. But, insiders argue, they can enforce message discipline through public shaming and reduce the opportunities for members to embarrass the party.

“Fetal masturbation? This is something that someone woke up and thought, ‘I’m going to bring this up.’ It’s just exasperating,” a GOP consultant said. “Instead of doing the things that are going to help us attract more voters and expand the reach of party from a messaging perspective, we’re in a position of continuing to alienate our own voters. It’s like extreme tyranny of the minority.”

But leadership maintains there’s not much they can do. “Each member of Congress is elected by their constituents and has First Amendment rights. I’m sure that former Speaker Pelosi wishes that Rep. Weiner, for example, had not said or tweeted some of the things he said and tweeted. That’s just part of life in a democracy,” the leadership aide said.

Then again, Weiner was forced to resign after sending a young woman a crotch selfie. Nobody’s arguing that the GOP lawmakers resign, but should Republicans who wander off the party’s talking points face some kind of discipline?

Dent wryly left the question unanswered saying, “Retribution can backfire very easily. But when one wants to respond to these types of situations, I would argue that retribution is a dish best served cold.”

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congr...sease-20130623

06-24-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3867709)
Some of you may remember me saying this to cut:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpos...8&postcount=27

Aaaaaand what do you know...and it's a woman this time that apparently doesn't even know how her own body works.

Texas Abortion Law Closer to Passing Even After Absurd Rape Comment

http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-livin...171300998.html

Just another example of a culture of ignorance that shuns science, technology and knowledge. And to think, this woman was once Chair of the Texas House Public Health Committee. And most of you still probably think prerequisites for committee positions are a bad idea.

And still another issue here is the constant chorus of conservatives (like Beavis) saying "Roe v. Wade isn't going anywhere, you don't need to worry about losing your precious abortions" and yet here they are, passing laws like this that ban abortions after 20 weeks. Even if (when) the Supreme Court strikes it down, it will at the very least come out as a colossal waste of taxpayer time and money.

So much for fiscal conservatism.

Didn't you once tell me that viability should be the big red abortion line?

peacepipe 06-24-2013 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3867721)
Didn't you once tell me that viability should be the big red abortion line?

Here's butthead beavis with his usual drive by distraction from the thread topic.

Pony Boy 06-24-2013 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3867709)
Just another example of a culture of ignorance that shuns science, technology and knowledge. And to think, this woman was once Chair of the Texas House Public Health Committee. And most of you still probably think prerequisites for committee positions are a bad idea.

And still another issue here is the constant chorus of conservatives (like Beavis) saying "Roe v. Wade isn't going anywhere, you don't need to worry about losing your precious abortions" and yet here they are, passing laws like this that ban abortions after 20 weeks. Even if (when) the Supreme Court strikes it down, it will at the very least come out as a colossal waste of taxpayer time and money.

So much for fiscal conservatism.

I'm not sure why you have your panties in a wad ............. They will use a rape kit to collect all the evidence of the rape and then offer her Plan "B". How simple can that be and if they don't offer her plan "B" she can have her 12 year old daughter go buy her a pill from the local Walgreen’s.

houghtam 06-24-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3867721)
Didn't you once tell me that viability should be the big red abortion line?

I don't believe I have ever said anything of the sort.

But since you brought up viability again, I will tell you that I've followed your take on viability while discussing with other posters, and it's a very nebulous definition.

You talk about having the technology to keep a baby alive, but to me, that's not "viability". Viability would be for the baby to be able to survive with standard medical attention for a healthy baby...

Technology is great, but if the family cannot afford to pay for the technology to keep its child alive, then is the answer really "welp, you shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place"? Are people really suggesting that you should not have children (and thus not have sex) until you are financially prepared to pay for all contingencies for your child's birth? Watch the birth rate go down to zero.



And all of this is over and above what I said before, which is that we hear over and over from conservatives just like you "don't worry, Roe v. Wade isn't going anywhere", and then the minute we point out that members of your party are still trying to work around the law after 40some years, you start playing the "redefining viability" game.

06-24-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3867757)
Technology is great, but if the family cannot afford to pay for the technology to keep its child alive, then is the answer really "welp, you shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place"? Are people really suggesting that you should not have children (and thus not have sex) until you are financially prepared to pay for all contingencies for your child's birth? Watch the birth rate go down to zero.

This is one of your dumber arguments. It's not about doctor bills. It's about viability and personhood. There is a line somewhere. Where?

Otherwise Kermie was just providing a "valuable" public service. Free Kermie!

houghtam 06-24-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3867767)
This is one of your dumber arguments. It's not about doctor bills. It's about viability and personhood. There is a line somewhere. Where?

Otherwise Kermie was just providing a "valuable" public service. Free Kermie!

Viability is most definitely at least partially about doctor bills, just as euthanasia is. Man, for a conservative, you apparently don't (read: pretend not to) realize how much money makes the world go round.

06-24-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3867781)
Viability is most definitely at least partially about doctor bills, just as euthanasia is. Man, for a conservative, you apparently don't (read: pretend not to) realize how much money makes the world go round.

Sorry, but if we're talking pure $.$$, late 2nd and early 3rd trimester abortion makes zero sense.

Oh, and this isn't euthanasia. More like putting a bullet in the back of Grandpa's head unannounced because you were afraid he might need some expensive heart surgery in a few months.

houghtam 06-24-2013 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3867788)
Sorry, but if we're talking pure $.$$, late 2nd and early 3rd trimester abortion makes zero sense.

Oh, and this isn't euthanasia. More like putting a bullet in the back of Grandpa's head unannounced because you were afraid he might need some expensive heart surgery in a few months.

Might? Most abortions performed on the basis of catastrophic medical issues are done after its already known.

06-24-2013 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3867793)
Might? Most abortions performed on the basis of catastrophic medical issues are done after its already known.

How about those performed because Mommy didn't want to miss prom?

houghtam 06-24-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3867804)
How about those performed because Mommy didn't want to miss prom?

Ban them, as long as the other policies are put in place which I addressed when I discussed this very topic with Dr. Brownstain weeks ago. Banning abortion without addressing the causes of abortion does not actually reduce the incidence of abortion.

Requiem 06-24-2013 03:42 PM

♡♥♡♥♡♥¤÷¤♥♡♥♡♥♡ this woman is your next weekend

06-24-2013 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3867808)
Ban them, as long as the other policies are put in place which I addressed when I discussed this very topic with Dr. Brownstain weeks ago. Banning abortion without addressing the causes of abortion does not actually reduce the incidence of abortion.

So you're on board with the 20 week ban so long as it has the right list of exceptions.... rape, incest and life of the mother were already carved out in there. What other ADA-compliant provisions would you like added?

peacepipe 06-24-2013 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3867804)
How about those performed because Mommy didn't want to miss prom?

As if women are getting abortions in order to go to a dance,these decisions aren't made so lightly. They never are made so easily. With that said,if a women decides to have an abortion for the simple reason she wants to go to a dance then so be it. It's a legal medical procedure our constitution, as interpreted by SCOTUS,gives every woman a RIGHT to. The rights we have do not require majority support.

houghtam 06-24-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3867820)
So you're on board with the 20 week ban so long as it has the right list of exceptions.... rape, incest and life of the mother were already carved out in there. What other ADA-compliant provisions would you like added?

Depends.

Are you actually interested in reducing the number of abortions, or are you just looking for more to argue about?

houghtam 06-24-2013 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3867824)
As if women are getting abortions in order to go to a dance,these decisions aren't made so lightly. They never are made so easily. With that said,if a women decides to have an abortion for the simple reason she wants to go to a dance then so be it. It's a legal medical procedure our constitution, as interpreted by SCOTUS,gives every woman a RIGHT to. The rights we have do not require majority support.

It's the same ole **** from the righties. They hear a story somewhere (they can't remember where), and therefore it's an epidemic.

It's like the Obamaphone or voter fraud. One idiot posts a YouTube video and all the sudden it's on Fox News with dramatic music and a "NATION IN CRISIS" headline.

06-25-2013 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3867824)
As if women are getting abortions in order to go to a dance,these decisions aren't made so lightly. They never are made so easily. With that said,if a women decides to have an abortion for the simple reason she wants to go to a dance then so be it. It's a legal medical procedure our constitution, as interpreted by SCOTUS,gives every woman a RIGHT to. The rights we have do not require majority support.

Free Kermie!

06-25-2013 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3867882)
Depends.

Are you actually interested in reducing the number of abortions, or are you just looking for more to argue about?

No. It really doesn't depend. Somewhere between conception and preschool the "medical procedure" becomes murder. Where that line is drawn is more than an argument.

TonyR 06-25-2013 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3867808)
Banning abortion without addressing the causes of abortion does not actually reduce the incidence of abortion.

Winner. Winner. Chicken dinner.

06-25-2013 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3868060)
Winner. Winner. Chicken dinner.

Not really consistent with a gun grabber's logic. But prohibitions only work when you tell them to amirite?

TonyR 06-25-2013 06:45 AM

LOL You're seriously comparing gun control and reproductive rights? Next you'll be saying girls get abortions so they can go to prom. Oh, wait, you already did that...

06-25-2013 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3868071)
LOL You're seriously comparing gun control and reproductive rights? Next you'll be saying girls get abortions so they can go to prom. Oh, wait, you already did that...

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abo...teens-partial/

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The state of Kansas stripped a doctor of her medical license after finding she routinely facilitated George Tiller’s partial birth abortions on young girls for “mental health” reasons as banal having to attend a prom or the stress the teen would experience from hiring a babysitter in order to attend rock concerts.
You remember MSNBC Champion of Choice, Dr George Tiller, don't you?

houghtam 06-25-2013 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3868097)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abo...teens-partial/



You remember MSNBC Champion of Choice, Dr George Tiller, don't you?

Hooray! Anecdotal evidence dictating broad policy! Everyone wins!

TonyR 06-25-2013 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3868099)
Hooray! Anecdotal evidence dictating broad policy! Everyone wins!

He's ramping up his intellectual laziness to new heights today.


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