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06-15-2013 10:10 AM

Most important Bronco this year...Outside of PFM
 
Outside of PFM what player needs to be successful for Denver to win the SB?

With the way it is shaking up I believe the most important Bronco has to be Montee Ball. MaGahee is gone. Moreno is average and Hillman unproven and not really a chain mover.

I think cases can be made for DT, Welker, and Miller

The Joker 06-15-2013 10:18 AM

Von, and it isn't close.

See the last few games of 2011 and how the D dropped off once he got hurt. And that was as a rookie. He's to the D what Manning is to the O.

After him, I'll say Clady. If he can return to playing his best football and keep Manning's blindside protected the offense will be close to unstoppable.

SportinOne 06-15-2013 10:23 AM

I think a lot of people are overlooking Hillman. Yes, Ball is the guy that has potential to be a great all around back. However, Hillman has had a full year of seasoning and while we probably can't rely on him to block exceptionally or carry it every down, he certainly has the potential to be very valuable to us. I'll cheat and say Ball and Hillman (Ballman) are both that player, but the offensive line has got to help out too. Short yardage was our Achilles heel last year and i think a lot of that comes from a week push up front.

TheReverend 06-15-2013 10:26 AM

Von - needs to lead a hungry pass rush without Elvis and disciplined in rush support
Champ - can he hang with the young guys for another year at an elite level?
DRC - can he regain his pre-Eagles form?
Clady - how does he bounce back from this injury?

(* I have Clady that low because Manning has shown he can get the ball out quick enough for downright poor LT play to be negated)

baja 06-15-2013 10:26 AM

Next Bronco in importance behind Manning is Fox/Gase

If they don't stop handcuffing Manning late in games because of fear of loosing we will lose games we should have won. The most recent example of that is the last game we played.

gunns 06-15-2013 10:27 AM

Von and then the rest of the defense.

06-15-2013 10:39 AM

Von on D, Demaryius Thomas on O
Thomas is a matchup nightmare and completely changes what defences gameplan each week.

06-15-2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend (Post 3862767)
Von - needs to lead a hungry pass rush without Elvis and disciplined in rush support
Champ - can he hang with the young guys for another year at an elite level?
DRC - can he regain his pre-Eagles form?
Clady - how does he bounce back from this injury?

(* I have Clady that low because Manning has shown he can get the ball out quick enough for downright poor LT play to be negated)

Yes, DRC should be in consideration too.

peacepipe 06-15-2013 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Schism (Post 3862763)
Von, and it isn't close.

See the last few games of 2011 and how the D dropped off once he got hurt. And that was as a rookie. He's to the D what Manning is to the O.

After him, I'll say Clady. If he can return to playing his best football and keep Manning's blindside protected the offense will be close to unstoppable.

I wasn't aware he wasn't playing his best football. He worst yr was with teblow as QB,and was cuz teblow held on to the way too long.

peacepipe 06-15-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3862768)
Next Bronco in importance behind Manning is Fox/Gase

If they don't stop handcuffing Manning late in games because of fear of loosing we will lose games we should have won. The most recent example of that is the last game we played.

Defensive collapses lead to that loss. Our offense & special teams put up 35 points.

baja 06-15-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3862778)
Defensive collapses lead to that loss. Our offense & special teams put up 35 points.


Three chances to get one first down and we run hree running plays.

UberBroncoMan 06-15-2013 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3862768)
Next Bronco in importance behind Manning is Fox/Gase

If they don't stop handcuffing Manning late in games because of fear of loosing we will lose games we should have won. The most recent example of that is the last game we played.

I like this because it's true. Fox has always had the loser mentality of "what could go wrong" instead of "what could go right."

peacepipe 06-15-2013 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3862779)
Three chances to get one first down and we run hree running plays.

I agree,but we wouldn't have even been in that situation had not been for the defense, our secondary to be more specific, ****ting the bed in the most crucial times of the game.

UberBroncoMan 06-15-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3862781)
I agree,but we wouldn't have even been in that situation had not been for the defense, our secondary to be more specific, ****ting the bed in the most crucial times of the game.

14 of our points were from ST and Balt got 10 points off of turnovers including a pick six (even if it was a PI).

Both the D and O messed up.

peacepipe 06-15-2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan (Post 3862782)
14 of our points were from ST and Balt got 10 points off of turnovers including a pick six (even if it was a PI).

Both the D and O messed up.

No ****,I've already stated that ST was part of our point total. Still doesn't change anything.

Heyneck 06-15-2013 11:08 AM

Von!!!! And by a long shot!!!

How would our defense look if we lose him now that we don't have Doom?

baja 06-15-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3862781)
I agree,but we wouldn't have even been in that situation had not been for the defense, our secondary to be more specific, ****ting the bed in the most crucial times of the game.


Playing to your strength on offense is far more important than anything else you can name when it comes to what's important in a winning season. Certainly far more important than any single player after Manning.

If Shanahan had been coaching the team last season I believe it would be us hoisting the SB Trophy. It's that big of a difference IMO.

baja 06-15-2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3862781)
I agree,but we wouldn't have even been in that situation had not been for the defense, our secondary to be more specific, ****ting the bed in the most crucial times of the game.

Get a first down and that pass never happens

baja 06-15-2013 11:26 AM

If I have to pick a player it would Monte Ball. If we have playoff games in Denver he will be as valuable as was TD was in 97 & 98

NFLBRONCO 06-15-2013 11:29 AM

1. If Monte ball can produce like he did at Wis :)
2. Sly will really free up Von if he is the player we hope he is
3. The best players need to shine at $$$ time

06-15-2013 11:32 AM

As much as I love Von, losing Clady would be the most devastating loss imo. Von is a better overall player than Clady, but the drop off is much steeper with Clark as opposed to Phillips.

peacepipe 06-15-2013 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3862792)
Playing to your strength on offense is far more important than anything else you can name when it comes to what's important in a winning season. Certainly far more important than any single player after Manning.

If Shanahan had been coaching the team last season I believe it would be us hoisting the SB Trophy. It's that big of a difference IMO.

If shanahan were our coach,we lose 6 straight to end the season. I don't think our defense is as good as it is now if shanahan were the coach.

baja 06-15-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3862852)
If shanahan were our coach,we lose 6 straight to end the season. I don't think our defense is as good as it is now if shanahan were the coach.


I meant putting together the game plan & calling the game only, maybe I should have said our OC.

SonOfLe-loLang 06-15-2013 01:57 PM

It's clearly Von. He's the best player on the D and the key to it's success. Why would anyone suggest DRC? If he's **** and rides the bench, the broncos can roll with the exact guys they had last year and probably be fine

06-15-2013 02:00 PM

If I had to pick just one player, Von hands down. The rest of the D will rally behind him.


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