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peacepipe 06-13-2013 04:37 PM

Darrell Issas' irs investigation falling apart
 
http://mobile.businessweek.com/artic...-falling-apart

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But after a burst of attention, Issa’s investigation appears to have stalled. Although he turned up embarrassing material—has any government official been humiliated quite like the IRS commissioner in the dorky video dressed up as Spock ?—Issa hasn’t made the all-important connection to the White House. And he may not be able to. The news this week that he won’t release the full transcripts of his interviews with IRS officials—interviews he selectively quoted from to imply White House complicity—suggests that what they contain may in fact exonerate the administration of the very charge Issa is laboring so hard to prosecute.
So far it's been what I figured.

06-13-2013 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3862051)

So you have no problem with the IRS admitting targeting.

Funny; if they targeted black folks like that, I'm quite sure you'd have a problem with it.

:kiss:

peacepipe 06-13-2013 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3862098)
So you have no problem with the IRS admitting targeting.

Funny; if they targeted black folks like that, I'm quite sure you'd have a problem with it.

:kiss:

They did back in 2004,but I didn't hear peep from any so called conservatives.

TonyR 06-13-2013 07:15 PM

Well this certainly isn't going to make Beavis happy...

Rohirrim 06-13-2013 07:19 PM

Issa is a felon, a liar, and just one more in a long line of little ideological fanatics and McCarthy clones, i.e. a little man trying to slime his way to the top.

cutthemdown 06-13-2013 11:56 PM

So Issa was a little fast and furious in his younger days but i don't think he ever got convicted of grand theft did he? Everyone loves it when Vin Diesel steals a car.

Amazing man though he is a self made millionaire and everyone has to respect that. Oh i know liberals don't unless you are al gore.

cutthemdown 06-14-2013 01:25 AM

Turn it over to a special prosecutor as Congress can't get to the bottom of anything. That way Congress can move on but maybe an investigation can drag it on, snag a few more people in its snare, or even uncover who actually was behind it.

peacepipe 06-14-2013 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3862277)
Turn it over to a special prosecutor as Congress can't get to the bottom of anything. That way Congress can move on but maybe an investigation can drag it on, snag a few more people in its snare, or even uncover who actually was behind it.

A special prosecutor isn't going to find something that isn't there or couldn't have been found already by congress.

cutthemdown 06-14-2013 02:56 AM

Sure they could. They have way more push and expertise at it then Issa who is just hoping someone cracks.

06-14-2013 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3862103)
They did back in 2004,but I didn't hear peep from any so called conservatives.

If auditing=targeting I guess we have no choice but to disband the IRS. LOL

06-14-2013 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3862152)
Well this certainly isn't going to make Beavis happy...

Keep closin that case for the boss Tony. LOL

Who approved the targeting? Oh that's right, still no answer beyond our responsive and accountable government administrators pleadin the fif.

Case Closed though says the fan club president. In reality the whole thing has just been overshadowed by your fan club approved "I know what you did last summer" public safety program. LOL

Pony Boy 06-14-2013 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3862280)
A special prosecutor isn't going to find something that isn't there or couldn't have been found already by congress.

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

George Orwell, 1984

houghtam 06-14-2013 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3862301)
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

George Orwell, 1984

For someone who supposedly hates socialism, you sure quote Orwell a lot.

Makes me think you really didn't understand the man or his views.

Have you actually read 1984, or are you just doing a Google search for Orwell quotes?

BroncoInferno 06-14-2013 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3862355)
For someone who supposedly hates socialism, you sure quote Orwell a lot.

Makes me think you really didn't understand the man or his views.

Have you actually read 1984, or are you just doing a Google search for Orwell quotes?

Yeah, considering Orwell's commitment to Democratic Socialism, it's hilarious to see right-wingers like Pony Boy quoting him as if they're kindred spirits. Put it this way, Orwell would have been more likely to show up at an OWS protest than a Tea Party rally.

houghtam 06-14-2013 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno (Post 3862360)
Yeah, considering Orwell's commitment to Democratic Socialism, it's hilarious to see right-wingers like Pony Boy quoting him as if they're kindred spirits. Put it this way, Orwell would have been more likely to show up at an OWS protest than a Tea Party rally.

And not just that, he was very clear about the class delineation in that novel. Look at the difference in qualilty of life between those in the Outer Party (like Winston) and those in the Inner Party. That is to say, if you're not in the Inner Party, you're not in the Party at all...and the Inner Party constitutes the top 2% of the population.

News flash. That's not you, Pony Boy. Not only is it not you, it's not anyone you have ever known, or will ever know.

There's definitely a party going on, but you're not invited. Keep thinking you'll get there eventually...the joke's on you, though. You just don't realize it.

Requiem 06-14-2013 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3862355)
Have you actually read 1984, or are you just doing a Google search for Orwell quotes?

You already know the answer to this question, citizen.

houghtam 06-14-2013 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3862377)
You already know the answer to this question, citizen.

Yeah, I kind of figured it was like the errand/nyuk/Dr. Brownstain statements on nazi gun control. Lets take something we think we learned in history class, completely misrepresent it and run with it! No one will EVER notice!

06-14-2013 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3862355)
For someone who supposedly hates socialism, you sure quote Orwell a lot.

Makes me think you really didn't understand the man or his views.

Have you actually read 1984, or are you just doing a Google search for Orwell quotes?

I read it somewhere around 8th grade so my memory of it is really rusty.

Thought about downloading it for a read, I doubt I really processed a lot of it back then. Most of us probably know more about it from cultural reference than from the text itself or its author.

houghtam 06-14-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3862385)
I read it somewhere around 8th grade so my memory of it is really rusty.

Thought about downloading it for a read, I doubt I really processed a lot of it back then. Most of us probably know more about it from cultural reference than from the text itself or its author.

I read it my first year of college, and have read it at least once a year since. Forgive me if blindly quoting things without realizing their intent grates on my last nerve.

As I said in another post, people are always quick with the Big Brother references, and it's cute, really. But 1984 wasn't about oppressive government so much as it was about the sheep-like populace who allow it to happen. It was also about social hierarchy and class warfare.

But hey, these people on the internet will think I'm awesome if I can take this one quote out of context and apply it to my agenda, even though my agenda goes against pretty much everything the author of that quote stood for.

DenverBrit 06-14-2013 09:56 AM

It's curious that the far right has taken to quoting their ideological opposite, showing, as usual, they rarely understand what they read.

Gingrich made a total ass of himself demonstrating how he completely misunderstands Orwell and '1984' in attempt to discredit universal healthcare.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/commen...talk_hertzberg

So that there is no doubt about Orwell's political leanings:

"And the only regime which, in the long run, will dare to permit freedom of speech is a Socialist regime."

"One has got to be actively a Socialist, not merely sympathetic to Socialism, or one plays into the hands of our always-active enemies."

George Orwell.

Rohirrim 06-14-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverBrit (Post 3862439)
It's curious that the far right has taken to quoting their ideological opposite, showing, as usual, they rarely understand what they read.

Gingrich made a total ass of himself demonstrating how he completely misunderstands Orwell and '1984' in attempt to discredit universal healthcare.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/commen...talk_hertzberg

So that there is no doubt about Orwell's political leanings:

"And the only regime which, in the long run, will dare to permit freedom of speech is a Socialist regime."

"One has got to be actively a Socialist, not merely sympathetic to Socialism, or one plays into the hands of our always-active enemies."

George Orwell.

Ooops! :rofl:

Rohirrim 06-14-2013 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3862391)
I read it my first year of college, and have read it at least once a year since. Forgive me if blindly quoting things without realizing their intent grates on my last nerve.

As I said in another post, people are always quick with the Big Brother references, and it's cute, really. But 1984 wasn't about oppressive government so much as it was about the sheep-like populace who allow it to happen. It was also about social hierarchy and class warfare.

But hey, these people on the internet will think I'm awesome if I can take this one quote out of context and apply it to my agenda, even though my agenda goes against pretty much everything the author of that quote stood for.

Is Big Brother more likely to manifest in a blended, corporate/militarized state, or in one that has nationalized health care, education and a safety net?

06-14-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverBrit (Post 3862439)
It's curious that the far right has taken to quoting their ideological opposite, showing, as usual, they rarely understand what they read.

It's really kind of a strange thing when people assign so much credibility to a work of fiction. I'm not saying it's not important. There are important concepts represented in there, and in Orwell's life and beliefs. But those principles should be able to stand on their own, and be defended on their own account.

Orwell didn't make privacy and individuality important. He simply saw that it was and painted a picture of it. He saw what many of us see. I think at the end of the day, works like 1984 get the status they do because allegory and parable is easier than philosophy.

06-14-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3862451)
Is Big Brother more likely to manifest in a blended, corporate/militarized state, or in one that has nationalized health care, education and a safety net?

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

DenverBrit 06-14-2013 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3862456)
It's really kind of a strange thing when people assign so much credibility to a work of fiction. I'm not saying it's not important. There are important concepts represented in there, and in Orwell's life and beliefs. But those principles should be able to stand on their own, and be defended on their own account.

Orwell didn't make privacy and individuality important. He simply saw that it was and painted a picture of it. He saw what many of us see. I think at the end of the day, works like 1984 get the status they do because allegory and parable is easier than philosophy.

It was an anti totalitarian work seen through the eyes of a lifelong Democratic Socialist. He was anti fascist and associated fascism with capitalism, so I find him an odd choice for the far right to be quoting.

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Fascism, at any rate the German version, is a form of capitalism that borrows from Socialism just such features as will make it efficient for war purposes.

George Orwell, The Lion and the Unicorn (1941)

Gingrich completely missed the mark and showed his ignorance.....for the umpteenth time. He should have stuck with a fellow loon like Ayn Rand. :)


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