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houghtam 06-06-2013 06:13 PM

Inevitable Thread About Prism Program
 
This is the thread for conservatives to b**** and moan about the Prism program which Obama masterminded in 2007.

06-06-2013 06:22 PM

I was told the choice between Security and Liberty was a false choice. LOL

alkemical 06-06-2013 10:15 PM

edited by dhs

Vegas_Bronco 06-06-2013 11:06 PM

We use this at work...it's a marketing masterpiece.

cutthemdown 06-06-2013 11:31 PM

it doesn't matter when what started. Obama promised change. He ran on change and bringing hope back to the people when it came to their govt. In that even liberals have to admit he has failed big time.

chadta 06-07-2013 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3858186)
it doesn't matter when what started. Obama promised change. He ran on change and bringing hope back to the people when it came to their govt. In that even liberals have to admit he has failed big time.

come on dood, things are changing you just dont see it yet

elsid13 06-07-2013 05:09 AM

I know people are going excited and political spin is going to be overboard, but in reality it about some of your fellow Americans attempting to keep you safe. They were faced with a problem and very scary potential that there were individuals in country that were out to kill innocent people.

To solve that problem they turned to technology to solve that that problem, a major strategic and tactical advantage that we have over rest of the world. They used large scale data mining and big data techniques to notice patterns and outliers to narrow their focus and then go get legal authority to investigate. Something similar that Google, Amazon and large brick and mortar companies do all the time with our data lifestyles. (There is reason Google flashes certain ads to you)

This is how they caught the dude in Denver that was going to attempt to bomb the NYC subway system. The notice activity between a known terrorist email system and seldom used email account in the US. The NSA turned that information to the FBI and CIA to investigate and follow the legal process.

In world were your life is has unique data footprint, and anyone that has resources can build a profile of your life, this is loss of privacy you live with.

06-07-2013 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsid13 (Post 3858228)
I know people are going excited and political spin is going to be overboard, but in reality it about some of your fellow Americans attempting to keep you safe. They were faced with a problem and very scary potential that there were individuals in country that were out to kill innocent people.

To solve that problem they turned to technology to solve that that problem, a major strategic and tactical advantage that we have over rest of the world. They used large scale data mining and big data techniques to notice patterns and outliers to narrow their focus and then go get legal authority to investigate. Something similar that Google, Amazon and large brick and mortar companies do all the time with our data lifestyles. (There is reason Google flashes certain ads to you)

This is how they caught the dude in Denver that was going to attempt to bomb the NYC subway system. The notice activity between a known terrorist email system and seldom used email account in the US. The NSA turned that information to the FBI and CIA to investigate and follow the legal process.

In world were your life is has unique data footprint, and anyone that has resources can build a profile of your life, this is loss of privacy you live with.

The 2006 Neocon convention called. They want their keynote speech back.

Anyway I've read this line a lot lately. That if you do something anyone anywhere can track then its the governments business to track all of it all the time. Combine this with the recent ****storm of abuses with the best government excuse being that its employees basically do whatever the hell they want and there's no longer any debate about whether this threatens civil liberty.

Smiling Assassin27 06-07-2013 09:02 AM

And on the 60th anniversary of the publication of 1984 tomorrow...how apropos. Whether you're a lib, conservative, both or neither, you'd best make the realization that you aren't as free as you may have thought.

When our government's web/net over its citizens makes China jealous, we've got a problem. Bush and Obama are identical, but then that's what some of us have been saying from the beginning and most of the others here have been disingenuously denying for years.

So what are you gonna do about it? Well, make sure to say hello to Big Brother in all your emails and phone calls, K?

Rohirrim 06-07-2013 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsid13 (Post 3858228)
I know people are going excited and political spin is going to be overboard, but in reality it about some of your fellow Americans attempting to keep you safe. They were faced with a problem and very scary potential that there were individuals in country that were out to kill innocent people.

To solve that problem they turned to technology to solve that that problem, a major strategic and tactical advantage that we have over rest of the world. They used large scale data mining and big data techniques to notice patterns and outliers to narrow their focus and then go get legal authority to investigate. Something similar that Google, Amazon and large brick and mortar companies do all the time with our data lifestyles. (There is reason Google flashes certain ads to you)

This is how they caught the dude in Denver that was going to attempt to bomb the NYC subway system. The notice activity between a known terrorist email system and seldom used email account in the US. The NSA turned that information to the FBI and CIA to investigate and follow the legal process.

In world were your life is has unique data footprint, and anyone that has resources can build a profile of your life, this is loss of privacy you live with.

Do you admit how ominous and deadly this is? By a mere switch of emphasis, freedom could be crushed out.

alkemical 06-07-2013 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsid13 (Post 3858228)
I know people are going excited and political spin is going to be overboard, but in reality it about some of your fellow Americans attempting to keep you safe. They were faced with a problem and very scary potential that there were individuals in country that were out to kill innocent people.

To solve that problem they turned to technology to solve that that problem, a major strategic and tactical advantage that we have over rest of the world. They used large scale data mining and big data techniques to notice patterns and outliers to narrow their focus and then go get legal authority to investigate. Something similar that Google, Amazon and large brick and mortar companies do all the time with our data lifestyles. (There is reason Google flashes certain ads to you)

This is how they caught the dude in Denver that was going to attempt to bomb the NYC subway system. The notice activity between a known terrorist email system and seldom used email account in the US. The NSA turned that information to the FBI and CIA to investigate and follow the legal process.

In world were your life is has unique data footprint, and anyone that has resources can build a profile of your life, this is loss of privacy you live with.


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Milgram...bedience_study

Rohirrim 06-07-2013 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alkemical (Post 3858343)

The "banality of evil"...

chadta 06-07-2013 09:59 AM

Why is it that the constitution is a living thing that protects emails, phones calls and texts, yet the 2nd amendment only means muskets ?

Obushma 06-07-2013 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsid13 (Post 3858228)
I know people are going excited and political spin is going to be overboard, but in reality it about some of your fellow Americans attempting to keep you safe. They were faced with a problem and very scary potential that there were individuals in country that were out to kill innocent people.

To solve that problem they turned to technology to solve that that problem, a major strategic and tactical advantage that we have over rest of the world. They used large scale data mining and big data techniques to notice patterns and outliers to narrow their focus and then go get legal authority to investigate. Something similar that Google, Amazon and large brick and mortar companies do all the time with our data lifestyles. (There is reason Google flashes certain ads to you)

This is how they caught the dude in Denver that was going to attempt to bomb the NYC subway system. The notice activity between a known terrorist email system and seldom used email account in the US. The NSA turned that information to the FBI and CIA to investigate and follow the legal process.

In world were your life is has unique data footprint, and anyone that has resources can build a profile of your life, this is loss of privacy you live with.

**** you, you are a jack boot Polock, not even an American. Elsid's ancestors were pulling Jews out of homes on lists made like these ones, of course he likes it.

06-07-2013 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3858319)
Do you admit how ominous and deadly this is? By a mere switch of emphasis, freedom could be crushed out.

It's been infuriating to read some of the Bush-era apologizers coming out and saying how the policy itself isn't the scandal, just Obama's hypocrisy about it all. Essentially they're saying that the program is OK, so long as you can trust the guy in charge of it.

But that's total bull****. The entire bill of rights was written for defense against the guy you couldn't trust. Essentially they're using the same argument many use against the 2nd amendment in order to defend this intrusion.

And the scale of this is mindboggling. Virtually all Phone records. Major Networks. Financial Transactions. If this doesn't enrage the American People to some kind of action, there's little hope left for any of us.

houghtam 06-07-2013 10:22 AM

What I don't understand is the surprise here. I mean, yes it's deplorable that our government has the ability to keep tabs on us, but...have we not been assuming this capability for years?

Let's forget about the fact that this has technically been in place since 2007. My brothers and a few friends and I have been playing games like Gulf Strike, Seventh Fleet, A Line in the Sand and a bunch of other Middle East military and political strategy games via email and bulletin boards since the early 90s. There was a lot of talk about jihad, the Muslim brotherhood, revolution, etc. and we always joked that we were on some list somewhere because of our topic of discussion.

That was 20 years ago.

I'm not saying I'm satisfied, and I'm not saying I support the police state. But come on guys, really? Why feign surprise at something anyone with half a brain has known has been going on for years?

Rohirrim 06-07-2013 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadta (Post 3858368)
Why is it that the constitution is a living thing that protects emails, phones calls and texts, yet the 2nd amendment only means muskets ?

Good point. Touche! :thumbs:

I think the main point I have about guns is that I'm worried about arming people who are stupid enough to follow empty headed ideologues like Bachmann and Palin while sucking up the insane rants of bozos like Glenn Beck. See the problem there?

It's fine to imagine upstanding, well educated and involved citizens owning firearms as a bulwark against tyranny. It's another thing when you're arming morons. ;D

Smiling Assassin27 06-07-2013 10:27 AM

Obama: "I don't welcome leaks, because there's a reason why these programs are classified."

Two seconds earlier: "I welcome this debate."


If he's up for a debate, how is that possible with a secret program, exactly?

Schmuck.

06-07-2013 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27 (Post 3858389)
Obama: "I don't welcome leaks, because there's a reason why these programs are classified."

Two seconds earlier: "I welcome this debate."


If he's up for a debate, how is that possible with a secret program, exactly?

Schmuck.

"The war on Terror is Over. Now I'm just collecting all your **** for fun" LOL

06-07-2013 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3858388)
It's fine to imagine upstanding, well educated and involved citizens owning firearms as a bulwark against tyranny. It's another thing when you're arming morons. ;D

This is exactly how we think every time we send the federal government out with a new regulatory mandate. :)

Rohirrim 06-07-2013 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3858418)
This is exactly how we think every time we send the federal government out with a new regulatory mandate. :)

All you've got to do is read the news every day. Some of these people aren't competent enough to operate a screwdriver. And we're giving them AKs. :rofl:

06-07-2013 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3858431)
All you've got to do is read the news every day. Some of these people aren't competent enough to operate a screwdriver. And we're giving them AKs. :rofl:

And federal jobs.

Rohirrim 06-07-2013 11:57 AM

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Smiling Assassin27 06-07-2013 12:01 PM

Obama: I'm not saying 'just trust us on this', but trust us on this...or we're gonna have some problems.
Translation: STFU, get in line, and don't raise a fuss or YOU will have problems of the IRS variety (wink, wink, nod, nod). Pray we don't encroach on you regular folk anymore than we already have:

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Smiling Assassin27 06-07-2013 12:06 PM

To inject some humor:

Quote:

Patrick Stewart ‏@SirPatStew 1h

I should have never switched to Verizon. #NSA
attached photo to tweet:

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