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06-04-2013 01:14 AM

Dez VS Demaryius: Year 4
 
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...iver-in-year-4

who do you like??

OBF1 06-04-2013 01:19 AM

The white guy :thumbs:

ZONA 06-04-2013 01:43 AM

Well I doubt you will see anybody take Dez on a Broncos forum but honestly, I think Thomas does give you more.

First off, pure size. Thomas has Dez by 2 inches and probably 15 pounds. Longer arms, bigger hands. Thomas is just as fast as Dez, with maybe even better top end speed. Thomas also IMO, is better with YAC. And then there is the character thing.

I think any GM worth his salt would take Thomas over Dez at this stage.

06-04-2013 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ZONA (Post 3856480)
Thomas is just as fast as Dez, with maybe even better top end speed.

Thomas ran between 4.36-4.38...for someone that's 6'3 230...that's beast status. Bryant ran a 4.52 on pro day. But Bryant has great football speed.

Thomas has shorter arms by 1 inch, but he also has hands at 10.5 inches compared to dez 9.75...

At worst, even if you say they are even...DT's character kills Dez. Matter of fact, DT's character trait is extremely rare for a WR of his talent.

BowlenBall 06-04-2013 02:51 AM

Demaryius Thomas is larger, faster, stronger, and has demonstrably better character (Parrish Cox rape trial issues not withstanding). He also has made one of the all-time clutch overtime plays in beating the Steelers in last year's playoffs.

Dez Bryant has better career stats after 3 years, but that's a bit deceptive. They both had nearly identical seasons in 2012 statistically, and Thomas's 2010 and 2011 stats were obviously affected by having Orton and Tebow as his quarterbacks, while Bryant was working with a pro bowl quarterback and gunslinger in Tony Romo all 3 years.

I honestly believe that 9 out of 10 general managers would select Demaryius Thomas over Dez Bryant right now if given the choice.

Career Stats
Thomas: 148 catches for 2268 yards (15.3 ypr), 16 touchdowns
Bryant: 200 catches for 2871 yards (14.4 ypr), 27 touchdowns

2012 stats
Thomas: 94 catches for 1434 yards (15.3 ypr), 10 touchdowns
Bryant: 92 catches for 1382 yards (15.0 ypr), 12 touchdowns

BowlenBall 06-04-2013 02:59 AM

Also, if quarterbacks are judged by their record, shouldn't players at other positions be as well?

Thomas's career record: 25-23, two division titles
Bryant's career record: 22-26, no playoff appearances

06-04-2013 03:03 AM

I can see how a majority of GMs might think Dez is a little better WR at this point but I would bet 31 of the 32 teams would take Thomas over him. Dallas being the lone exception and I am not sure about that.

Jerry Jones actually had to put Dez on a curfew and have someone actually babysit him. Dez might have matured over the last year but this was a real issue just two years ago.

Thomas got caught up with Cox in the rape scandal, but Thomas was never accused of raping her, at most he covered for him, but since then he has been a model citizen and a great teammate.

06-04-2013 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BowlenBall (Post 3856485)
Also, if quarterbacks are judged by their record, shouldn't players at other positions be as well?

Thomas's career record: 25-23, two division titles
Bryant's career record: 22-26, no playoff appearances

plus an 80 yard game winning TD in the playoffs.

Dr. Broncenstein 06-04-2013 05:59 AM

One guy requires a full time babysitting service to keep him out of legal trouble. The other does not (at least for now).

Baba Booey 06-04-2013 06:04 AM

They're close enough talent-wise that it's a no-brainer to pick the non-headcase

Denver Bronco56 06-04-2013 06:39 AM

I think the article tried to downplay it, but when it touched on how Thomas was coming on with Tebow as QB even.... considering how we barely threw the ball he was still producing.. i think he had the most yards and catches in the month of December if i remember right (That is including megatron)


But then it trys to also take away from him by saying he has Manning.... well it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize a good QB will give his star WR the opportunity to make plays... (Rice and Montana, Brady and Moss, Manning and Harrison, Irving and Aikmen, Farve and Sharpe, Elway and Smith/Sharpe)... that doesnt mean the WR wasnt good or it was all the QB.. its a sybiotic relationship a QB is only as good as his WR meaning if he cant catch or run routes it doesnt matter and the WR is only as good as his QB that can get him the ball.



Considering how Thomas was hurt most of his 1st two years their stats are still very similar, I firmly believe Thomas is still just scratching the surface considering he is gettting healthy and probably still not 100% from his achilles a year ago... and still learning the art of route running, i dont think we have seen his best and should only get better with the threat of Welker and hopefully a good running game.

TheReverend 06-04-2013 07:03 AM

I love DT but in terms of just football (ignoring character), Dez has been the better player THUS FAR.

DT had a breakout year and topped Dez in yardage... but Dez also played with a broken finger and a QB far below Manning.

As far as year 4?

I think Dez puts up better numbers than Demaryius because of Welker. DT will still put up great numbers and get some great 1 on 1s on the outside to take advantage of, but Dez will just get more balls his way.

Br0nc0Buster 06-04-2013 07:05 AM

With his upside you have to go with Thomas

Also consider Dez's maturity issues and it is a no brainer IMO

Bryant is very good though

Kaylore 06-04-2013 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3856507)
One guy requires a full time babysitting service to keep him out of legal trouble. The other does not (at least for now).

Yeah, though DT may have been an accessory to a rape.

TheReverend 06-04-2013 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3856530)
Yeah, though DT may have been an accessory to a rape.

Shenanigans. Decker wanted it.

elsid13 06-04-2013 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend (Post 3856532)
Shenanigans. Decker wanted it.

Always on count on Rev to promote shower luving......

JDB7821 06-04-2013 07:17 AM

Without the character concerns, I'd probably take Dez. Since there are concerns, I'd take Thomas.

I wouldn't take either over Julio. (Sorry, I had to!)

elsid13 06-04-2013 07:18 AM

Both are very talented WRs, but right now I gave the nod to Dez, because of his route running is little better then Thomas. Once Thomas is little crisper on his breaks, I think he is the better WR.

TheReverend 06-04-2013 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JDB7821 (Post 3856537)
Without the character concerns, I'd probably take Dez. Since there are concerns, I'd take Thomas.

I wouldn't take either over Julio. (Sorry, I had to!)

I wouldn't take Julio over AJ (Sorry, I had to!)

Dr. Broncenstein 06-04-2013 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3856530)
Yeah, though DT may have been an accessory to a rape.

Hence the disclaimer. DT molestering a comatose groupie raises a concern or two.

Kaylore 06-04-2013 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReverend (Post 3856532)
Shenanigans. Decker wanted it.

It's his own fault for posing in all those slutty pictures.


New question: Dez verses Daenerys.

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06-04-2013 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3856530)
Yeah, though DT may have been an accessory to a rape.

what??? the Struggle Snuggle you mean?

Rabb 06-04-2013 08:47 AM

Give Dez Teebs for a season, then let's talk again.

Tombstone RJ 06-04-2013 08:51 AM

What a suprise that Bucky would take Bryant at this point. The pundits want Bryant to work out because well, they all predicted he'd be a great WR if he overcame his off-the-field antics. These same pundits were scratching their collective heads about the Broncos taking Thomas ahead of their boy Bryant. I love how Brooky Bucks penalizes Thomas for having a good QB:

That certainly doesn't diminish the ascension of Thomas to the upper echelon of NFL receivers, but the fact that Eric Decker also enjoyed a phenomenal season with Manning under center suggests that the Broncos' quarterback and the system are chiefly responsible for the receivers' production. If Thomas continues to string spectacular seasons together, he will get the recognition he deserves. But if I had to build a passing game around either Bryant or Thomas right now, I would opt for Bryant

But he doesn't apply this same logic to Bryant?

TheReverend 06-04-2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabb (Post 3856586)
Give Dez Teebs for a season, then let's talk again.

If he gets Manning after, I think you'll find Dez on board with this.


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