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Taco John 06-01-2013 02:38 AM

Obama IRSís Shulman had more public White House visits than any Cabinet member Read more:
 
Read more:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/29/ir...abinet-member/


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peacepipe 06-01-2013 03:14 AM

I hate to break the news to you TJ but the biggest problem with the daily caller is that they are nothing more than a cheap version of a tabloid,their storys are always made up.
This is another bogus story,which is easily debunked if you take the time to research it. It took me 30 seconds to debunk this one.
http://m.theatlantic.com/politics/ar...-house/276399/

Fedaykin 06-01-2013 07:37 AM

The desperation with which the hard core right is clinging to this is quite palpable.

06-01-2013 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fedaykin (Post 3855172)
The desperation with which the hard core right is clinging to this is quite palpable.

Say the people arguing that "Just 'cuz he was in the White House Visitors' Log doesn't mean you can prove he visited the White House!" LOL

FYI, he was asked about the visits during Congressional testimony. About that specific number. He never denied having visited that many times. If they asked him why he visited hundreds of times, and he'd really only visited 11, don't you think we would've said something.

And if the truth were drastically less than 100+ visits, couldn't the White House clear the whole thing up by detailing who Shulman met with, and when? He's kind of an important figure in this mess. It's the public's right to know.

I mean the Obama administration seemed to think it was their right to know that much about a Fox News reporter and pretty much the entire AP. Here we have a Public employee visiting other public employees, and apparently who talked to who is suddenly some kind of state secret.

Meanwhile, you guys keep retreating to each marginally-plausible denial, calling every skeptic a right-wing hack. Then after watching your newest excuse dismantled before your very eyes, you latch onto the next branch on your way down.

TonyR 06-01-2013 08:28 AM

I was waiting for someone to post this Daily Caller garbage. Here's a complete dismantling of this nonsense. What a joke.

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...is-mr-carlson/

peacepipe 06-01-2013 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3855184)
Say the people arguing that "Just 'cuz he was in the White House Visitors' Log doesn't mean you can prove he visited the White House!" LOL

FYI, he was asked about the visits during Congressional testimony. About that specific number. He never denied having visited that many times. If they asked him why he visited hundreds of times, and he'd really only visited 11, don't you think we would've said something.

And if the truth were drastically less than 100+ visits, couldn't the White House clear the whole thing up by detailing who Shulman met with, and when? He's kind of an important figure in this mess. It's the public's right to know.

I mean the Obama administration seemed to think it was their right to know that much about a Fox News reporter and pretty much the entire AP. Here we have a Public employee visiting other public employees, and apparently who talked to who is suddenly some kind of state secret.

Meanwhile, you guys keep retreating to each marginally-plausible denial, calling every skeptic a right-wing hack. Then after watching your newest excuse dismantled before your very eyes, you latch onto the next branch on your way down.

lol daily caller gets caught making up stories on numerous occasions & here you are to defend them.

Fedaykin 06-01-2013 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3855184)
Say the people arguing that "Just 'cuz he was in the White House Visitors' Log doesn't mean you can prove he visited the White House!" LOL

Read peacepipe's article, dimwit.

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FYI, he was asked about the visits during Congressional testimony. About that specific number. He never denied having visited that many times. If they asked him why he visited hundreds of times, and he'd really only visited 11, don't you think we would've said something.
Actually he did deny it, and then proceeded to make a bad joke too.

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And if the truth were drastically less than 100+ visits, couldn't the White House clear the whole thing up by detailing who Shulman met with, and when? He's kind of an important figure in this mess. It's the public's right to know.
Read peacepipe's article, dimwit.

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I mean the Obama administration seemed to think it was their right to know that much about a Fox News reporter and pretty much the entire AP. Here we have a Public employee visiting other public employees, and apparently who talked to who is suddenly some kind of state secret.
Yeah, because hunting down a national security leak is at all comparable.

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Meanwhile, you guys keep retreating to each marginally-plausible denial, calling every skeptic a right-wing hack. Then after watching your newest excuse dismantled before your very eyes, you latch onto the next branch on your way down.
LMAO. Projection!

06-01-2013 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Fedaykin (Post 3855192)
Read peacepipe's article, dimwit.



Actually he did deny it, and then proceeded to make a bad joke too.



Read peacepipe's article, dimwit.



Yeah, because hunting down a national security leak is at all comparable.

:facepalm:




LMAO. Projection!

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Two times Shulman was specifically asked about 100+ visits. Both by Republicans and Democrats. He never denied that fact. When asked for an estimate on how many visits, he couldn't even ballpark it.

You kids need to get your story straight. Did he really only visit 11 times? Or are you going to go with the patented tiered-denial. "You can't prove he visited that many times, but if he did, den you can't prove Obama did nuttin!" LOL

Meanwhile, his predecessor remembers visiting once. "Case Closed!" say the Cheerleaders in Blue.

Nobody's saying this proves anything. It simply opens up more questions that need further investigation.

TonyR 06-01-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3855197)
You kids need to get your story straight. Did he really only visit 11 times?

I certainly never said anything about him visiting only 11 times. Go click the link I posted above and read the whole thing.

06-01-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3855202)
I certainly never said anything about him visiting only 11 times. Go click the link I posted above and read the whole thing.

No, it just highlights the convenient level of parsing we have here. The Goooooobamanauts are honestly arguing that just because Shulman was scheduled for an unusual number of White House meetings, that doesn't mean he "attended" an unusual number of White House meetings.

Apparently until we have DNA samples from each visit, absolutely nothing can be derived from the fact that the IRS Commish was in the White House Visitor Logs more than virtually anyone else.

TonyR 06-01-2013 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3855210)
No, it just highlights the convenient level of parsing we have here. The Goooooobamanauts are honestly arguing that just because Shulman was scheduled for an unusual number of White House meetings, that doesn't mean he "attended" an unusual number of White House meetings.

Apparently until we have DNA samples from each visit, absolutely nothing can be derived from the fact that the IRS Commish was in the White House Visitor Logs more than virtually anyone else.

I'm not sure if you read the whole piece I linked but I think this part alone pretty much pulls the plug on your "smoking gun":

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I just downloaded the logs for Shulmanís visits, most of the visits are with Nancy DeParle (40) or Sarah Fenn (54), both of whom were deeply involved in health care policy. The only other person to have more than 10 visits was Jason Furman from the CEA (11). If the White House was hatching a conspiracy, it seems hard to believe these would be the people doing it.
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...is-mr-carlson/

houghtam 06-01-2013 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3855210)
No, it just highlights the convenient level of parsing we have here. The Goooooobamanauts are honestly arguing that just because Shulman was scheduled for an unusual number of White House meetings, that doesn't mean he "attended" an unusual number of White House meetings.

Apparently until we have DNA samples from each visit, absolutely nothing can be derived from the fact that the IRS Commish was in the White House Visitor Logs more than virtually anyone else.

"I don't like websites or graphs (unless they fit my ideology)."

- Beavis

Fedaykin 06-01-2013 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3855197)
Two times Shulman was specifically asked about 100+ visits. Both by Republicans and Democrats. He never denied that fact. When asked for an estimate on how many visits, he couldn't even ballpark it.

You kids need to get your story straight. Did he really only visit 11 times? Or are you going to go with the patented tiered-denial. "You can't prove he visited that many times, but if he did, den you can't prove Obama did nuttin!" LOL

Meanwhile, his predecessor remembers visiting once. "Case Closed!" say the Cheerleaders in Blue.

Nobody's saying this proves anything. It simply opens up more questions that need further investigation.

Nice strawmen you're arguing against. You really do love your strawmen.

But again, read the articles from peacepipe and Tony, dimwit.

118 (or whatever the number is) times is not

a.) the number of times he actually visited -- it's the number of meetings he has security clearance to attend.

b.) the meetings were not at the white house with Obama -- there were at the executive complex with various bureaucrats in charge of health care reform work.

The desperate attempt to frame the situation as Shullman visting Obama bi-weekly to engage in a conspiracy to harass political opponents is nothing but pure fiction. It's not supported by the facts presented nor logic.

Do you really expect that the head of the IRS has no business having scheduled meetings with various bureaucrats in charge of reform that the IRS is intimately involved in? That what administrators do: they have meetings with other high level folks.

Fedaykin 06-01-2013 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3855210)
No, it just highlights the convenient level of parsing we have here. The Goooooobamanauts are honestly arguing that just because Shulman was scheduled for an unusual number of White House meetings, that doesn't mean he "attended" an unusual number of White House meetings.

Apparently until we have DNA samples from each visit, absolutely nothing can be derived from the fact that the IRS Commish was in the White House Visitor Logs more than virtually anyone else.

LMAO. Read the articles, dimwit. You're only embarrassing yourself now.

06-01-2013 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3855215)
I'm not sure if you read the whole piece I linked but I think this part alone pretty much pulls the plug on your "smoking gun":

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...is-mr-carlson/

Sullivan's already behind with his analysis. Which isn't surprising. He's smart, but reliably slow on the uptake when inconvenient facts block his way.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/examin...rticle/2530414

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It is important to note that DeParle was not simply a health care-focused policy wonk, but rather a veteran government operative serving Democratic presidents. Prior to working in the Obama White House, DeParle was director of the Health Care Financing Administration under President Clinton and also worked for him at the Office of Management and Budget. She is, to be sure, best known for her role in the Obamacare campaign, including her "Internet Brigade" idea. That was to be a taxpayer-funded swarm of Internet-based snitches dedicated to exposing and opposing those judged to be spreading "disinformation about health insurance reform."

But DeParle's role in the Obama inner circle was not limited to health care issues. She was also part of the administration's political strategizing, as seen in a Feb. 25, 2011 memo from Obama Department of Energy political appointee Dan Carol to DeParle warning about the "wave of GOP attacks that are surely coming over Solyndra and other inside deals that have gone to Obama donors and underperformed." It was in that same memo that Carol recommended firing then-Energy Secretary Steven Chu, so DeParle clearly was a participant in White House political strategizing on highly sensitive political issues other than health care reform.
The funny thing is you act like any kind of inappropriate political influence could only be established by something in the White House log saying:

"President Meeting with Shulman again on Operation Teepee the Teepee"

Remember, the official story was a few Rogue IRS employees. Now that's all blown to ****, and one of the guys responsible for hiding this bad boy from Congress for a year gets a ton of face time with White House political operatives, and now we're just supposed to accept the next level of denial as the real and final truth.

Like I said, this isn't proof. Just something that needs to be gone through. Thoroughly. Because, contrary to popular belief, when corrupt government officials go wild, they don't generally take pictures of themselves signing their name at the bottom. And even if it doesn't go all the way to the President, the issue is clearly much larger than they made it out to be. Now we need to find out how much so.

houghtam 06-01-2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3855226)
Sullivan's already behind with his analysis. Which isn't surprising. He's smart, but reliably slow on the uptake when inconvenient facts block his way.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/examin...rticle/2530414



The funny thing is you act like any kind of inappropriate political influence could only be established by something in the White House log saying:

"President Meeting with Shulman again on Operation Teepee the Teepee"

Remember, the official story was a few Rogue IRS employees. Now that's all blown to ****, and one of the guys responsible for hiding this bad boy from Congress for a year gets a ton of face time with White House political operatives, and now we're just supposed to accept the next level of denial as the real and final truth.

Like I said, this isn't proof. Just something that needs to be gone through. Thoroughly. Because, contrary to popular belief, when corrupt government officials go wild, they don't generally take pictures of themselves signing their name at the bottom. And even if it doesn't go all the way to the President, the issue is clearly much larger than they made it out to be. Now we need to find out how much so.

Look, more preconceived excuses for when nothing inevitably comes out of this. Surprise!

06-01-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3855237)
Look, more preconceived excuses for when nothing inevitably comes out of this. Surprise!

Well, we've already established that Obama's chief legal council and Chief of Staff knew about the IRS thing for (at least) weeks whilst our Mastermind President had to find out about it on CNN (or more likely MSNBC :) )

We've seen that there's no level of implausibility these guys won't swallow for their man.

But like I said earlier. You can feel free to believe he has no clue what his government does. That he's completely inept, yet not corrupt. But either is still an indictment of his political ideology.

barryr 06-04-2013 09:30 AM

Yep, "change" and "transparency" by this admin. It's just so overwhelming.

elsid13 06-04-2013 10:08 AM

Actually he wasn't visiting Obama, he was seeing the Lizard Men that run this country. They are pushing him and Obama to take away our guns and dope us up through socialized medicine so they can turn us into their feed cattle. The Lizard Men want him to destroy the Tea Party because it's our last hope of survival

Rohirrim 06-04-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by elsid13 (Post 3856598)
Actually he wasn't visiting Obama, he was seeing the Lizard Men that run this country. They are pushing him and Obama to take away our guns and dope us up through socialized medicine so they can turn us into their feed cattle. The Lizard Men want him to destroy the Tea Party because it's our last hope of survival

Under the aegis of the Rothchilds and the Bilderberg Group, of course.

elsid13 06-04-2013 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3856624)
Under the aegis of the Rothchilds and the Bilderberg Group, of course.

Great now you given it all away. Please ensure that you are home tonight, so when the black-hawks show up that we don't have to look for you. We have alot of folks to intern tonight in our UN black sites and Your cooperation on this matter is greatly appreciated! .

Signed

Lizard men's henchmen.

06-04-2013 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13 (Post 3856747)
Great now you given it all away. Please ensure that you are home tonight, so when the black-hawks show up that we don't have to look for you. We have alot of folks to intern tonight in our UN black sites and Your cooperation on this matter is greatly appreciated! .

Signed

Lizard men's henchmen.

It used to be Darth Cheney's henchmen. I guess the more things hopenchange, the more they stay the same. LOL

frerottenextelway 06-04-2013 03:23 PM

Why are these tea party activists seeking tax free shelter anyway? Seems like tax fraud to me. Are they seriously non-political?

06-04-2013 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by frerottenextelway (Post 3856788)
Why are these tea party activists seeking tax free shelter anyway? Seems like tax fraud to me. Are they seriously non-political?

You'd better hope not. Considering Sebelius just admitted to pushing the companies she regulates to 'donate' funds to a similar tax exempt entity run by not-very-former Obama admin officials to promote Obamacare.

Is that seriously non-political? Or is the administration also guilty of tax fraud?

frerottenextelway 06-04-2013 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3856791)
You'd better hope not. Considering Sebelius just admitted to pushing the companies she regulates to 'donate' funds to a similar tax exempt entity run by not-very-former Obama admin officials to promote Obamacare.

Is that seriously non-political? Or is the administration also guilty of tax fraud?

I was just reading an article earlier where 75% off all potential political tax free "non-profits" were audited, on both sides. And really, that should be 100%. Seriously, why the fk should these groups get away without paying their taxes?

And it's hilarious what are almost all Bush appointees are in a big conspiracy with Obama. You guys wonder why you guys have no credibility and are mocked by this country, take a look at yourselves. America can recognize grown-ups and bitter children.


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