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05-28-2013 11:14 AM

2010 NFL Draft: Broncos Class Ranked #5
 
4 starters from the 2010 class. I would debate they could push the Bengals for #4 but they probably get the nod since they have an all pro from their class.

http://www.profootballrosters.com/20...-team-classes/

05-28-2013 11:44 AM

It pisses me off we traded Alphonso smith for earl Thomas

05-28-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim (Post 3853224)
It pisses me off we traded Alphonso smith for earl Thomas

Not to mention the whole Tebow pick. This class could have been #1 if things fell right.

bronco militia 05-28-2013 12:07 PM

consider the broncos traded away Jay Cutler and now Kyle Orton was the starting QB, I was ok with the Tebow pick. Tebow was a failure for the Jets, not with the Broncos.

05-28-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia (Post 3853227)
consider the broncos traded away Jay Cutler and now Kyle Orton was the starting QB, I was ok with the Tebow pick. Tebow was a failure for the Jets, not with the Broncos.

Agreed, just saying if they would have gotten more from that 1st Round pick, not Tebow in general.

05-28-2013 01:04 PM

All this does is reinforce the point that drafting the player isn't as impactful as developing the player. Singletary was building a pretty good team yet had no clue how to develop them into NFL players. Him and McD shared the same characteristics. Arrogant idiots who just yelled like a baby on the sidelines of games and in practice. Yelling at the player instead of teaching him. No coincidence both are no longer HCs.

Kaylore 05-28-2013 01:18 PM

All five of those teams are better today and directly so because of the draft. That just goes to show you it's not free agency or trades that build a team; It's drafting well.

SonOfLe-loLang 05-28-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fanatic24 (Post 3853231)
Agreed, just saying if they would have gotten more from that 1st Round pick, not Tebow in general.

Im not the world's biggest tim tebow fan, but we got a really exciting season and a playoff win. I'll take it.

SonOfLe-loLang 05-28-2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3853243)
All five of those teams are better today and directly so because of the draft. That just goes to show you it's not free agency or trades that build a team; It's drafting well.

haha im not sure we're the best example considering it was a free agent that made our team a contender.

bronco militia 05-28-2013 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic (Post 3853237)
All this does is reinforce the point that drafting the player isn't as impactful as developing the player. Singletary was building a pretty good team yet had no clue how to develop them into NFL players. Him and McD shared the same characteristics. Arrogant idiots who just yelled like a baby on the sidelines of games and in practice. Yelling at the player instead of teaching him. No coincidence both are no longer HCs.

I don't agree with your take at all. Other than the practice squad, I don't think the NFL is remotely interested in developing their own talent. There isn't enough time on most coach's or GM's contract for them to give a ****. IMO, the player either has "it" or they don't.

and you totally missed the point about the Vernon Davis incedent with Singletary.

“I’m very thankful for the opportunity to cross paths with him. It was a very beautiful thing that he did for me, he saved my career,” said Davis. “He helped make me into the player that I am today. If we never met, I would never have the courage or any of those other things that make up a leader. I’m very thankful and honored that we crossed paths.”


http://www.vernondavis.com/2013/thro...ke-singletary/

ZONA 05-28-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3853243)
All five of those teams are better today and directly so because of the draft. That just goes to show you it's not free agency or trades that build a team; It's drafting well.

In large yes. Obviously players like Peyton Manning don't come along that often in FA. Drafting well is important because you don't have to pay rookies the same as you would FA's in most cases. Actually drafting well before the rookie salary restructure was even more important because if you drafted wrong, it could hurt you for quite some time. It's not as bad today because those salaries are much lower. None the less, it's important to draft well because you simply can't find enough quality FA's for good value to fill all the needs. You have to draft well to be a great team.

05-28-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia (Post 3853256)
I don't agree with your take at all. Other than the practice squad, I don't think the NFL is remotely interested in developing their own talent. There isn't enough time on most coach's or GM's contract for them to give a ****. IMO, the player either has "it" or they don't.

and you totally missed the point about the Vernon Davis incedent with Singletary.

“I’m very thankful for the opportunity to cross paths with him. It was a very beautiful thing that he did for me, he saved my career,” said Davis. “He helped make me into the player that I am today. If we never met, I would never have the courage or any of those other things that make up a leader. I’m very thankful and honored that we crossed paths.”


http://www.vernondavis.com/2013/thro...ke-singletary/


Then why even have a draft? Why not just throw out a young QB on the field? Why have him sit? That is so far off base. Great teams rarely use free agency as crutch. Patriots won last decade based on developing their talent. I would take a franchise in any sport that does this. SF giants won 2 recent rings bringing up talent. Spurs in basketball. Football is even more as teams like to go away from expensive free agents. Why did SF turn away woodson? Cause they want to develop and run with kids. Teaching them. I see it all the time coaches teaching players to up their game at the pro level.

As far as Singletary, well just ask any niner fan and they'll tell you he had no clue how to coach or develop that team.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...jMDsDAIs_b9Q0w

Kaylore 05-28-2013 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang (Post 3853249)
haha im not sure we're the best example considering it was a free agent that made our team a contender.

I'm really not trying to beat a dead horse, but we did win the division and and a playoff game with a fullback at QB.

extralife 05-28-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia (Post 3853227)
consider the broncos traded away Jay Cutler and now Kyle Orton was the starting QB, I was ok with the Tebow pick. Tebow was a failure for the Jets, not with the Broncos.

he was traded two years after he was picked for a fourth rounder. that's a failure.

bronco militia 05-28-2013 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic (Post 3853269)
Then why even have a draft? Why not just throw out a young QB on the field? Why have him sit? That is so far off base. Great teams rarely use free agency as crutch. Patriots won last decade based on developing their talent. I would take a franchise in any sport that does this. SF giants won 2 recent rings bringing up talent. Spurs in basketball. Football is even more as teams like to go away from expensive free agents. Why did SF turn away woodson? Cause they want to develop and run with kids. Teaching them. I see it all the time coaches teaching players to up their game at the pro level.

As far as Singletary, well just ask any niner fan and they'll tell you he had no clue how to coach or develop that team.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...jMDsDAIs_b9Q0w

I never mentioned anything about free agency or about getting rid of the draft. I probably should have just said that you give coaches too much credit for a players success. IMO, great players make it in the NFL because they get it or just have "it".

05-28-2013 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia (Post 3853281)
I never mentioned anything about free agency or about getting rid of the draft. I probably should have just said that you give coaches too much credit for a players success. IMO, great players make it in the NFL because they get it or just have "it".

I guess that's where we disagree. There's no doubt in my mind JDR had a huge impact in our defense learning how to play.

Our defense has gone through how many bad defensive coordinators? There's something to be said there on how the players developed or didnt in general. I believe a coach can most definetly have an impact on player development. Jim Harbaugh taught Alex smith how to approach a defense. Singletary just threw him out there and said throw it deep.

DivineLegion 05-28-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia (Post 3853256)
“I’m very thankful for the opportunity to cross paths with him. It was a very beautiful thing that he did for me, he saved my career,”


http://www.vernondavis.com/2013/thro...ke-singletary/


I know he's playing in SF, so this isn't the first time someone in town related another man showing him his penis as a beautiful thing, but I think we can all agree Mike Singletary did a tremendous job in building the core of a very good football team.

SonOfLe-loLang 05-28-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3853277)
I'm really not trying to beat a dead horse, but we did win the division and and a playoff game with a fullback at QB.

Yeah, but I think we'll all agree we backed our way into that thanks to a horrid division and a lot of luck. The 2012 Broncos would have beaten the **** out of the 2011 and there was really only one major difference.

ludo21 05-28-2013 03:39 PM

loved the 2011 broncos!

Kaylore 05-28-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang (Post 3853309)
Yeah, but I think we'll all agree we backed our way into that thanks to a horrid division and a lot of luck.

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_as...nts_medium.jpg

Doggcow 05-28-2013 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3853325)

lol

maher_tyler 05-28-2013 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ludo21 (Post 3853319)
loved the 2011 broncos!

It was so sweet winning games everyone and their mom said we wouldn't. That playoff game was glorious!

05-28-2013 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang (Post 3853248)
Im not the world's biggest tim tebow fan, but we got a really exciting season and a playoff win. I'll take it.

Who knows without those Tebow victories maybe Manning does not even consider coming to Denver.

DBroncos4life 05-28-2013 08:31 PM

I think we only end up with 3 starters out of that class this year.

enjolras 05-28-2013 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco militia (Post 3853227)
consider the broncos traded away Jay Cutler and now Kyle Orton was the starting QB, I was ok with the Tebow pick. Tebow was a failure for the Jets, not with the Broncos.

A first round pick that plays for two seasons and then is traded for a single fourth rounder is...not a failure?


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