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MABroncoFan 05-08-2013 11:15 AM

Chris Kuper
 
I read it somewhere, but I don't remember where. How much would Kuper count against the cap if he is cut, versus if he stays ($4.5 million, I assume)?

I thought the savings weren't that significant.

Swedish Extrovert 05-08-2013 12:31 PM

$0 for the first six weeks if he's PUP.

Salaries are by the week, so it makes the most sense.

After that, it's probably cheaper to keep him on the roster, but IDK.

TonyR 05-08-2013 12:50 PM

His 2013 cap number is $5,415,166 with $2,745,502 dead money. So I assume the cap savings would be $2,669,664.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/chris-kuper/

BroncoMan4ever 05-08-2013 03:03 PM

he doesn't count against the cap until week 1. keep him, let him practice and if he returns to form he can take Beadles job. i say hope for the best, if he comes in and takes the job back, we are in good shape, if he comes back at full strength and Beadles outplays him for his job, then so be it. no need to look at moving him yet.

Swedish Extrovert 05-08-2013 03:07 PM

Honestly would rather have Beadles at LG that Kuper at this point.

He'll start PUP, and if/when we have an injury on the line, Kupe will fill in.

But he'll probably be on another team next year.

MABroncoFan 05-09-2013 09:53 AM

Is he expected to be out long enough to start the season on PUP?

Swedish Extrovert 05-09-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MABroncoFan (Post 3845078)
Is he expected to be out long enough to start the season on PUP?

They can honestly put anyone they want on PUP.

TonyR 05-22-2013 06:55 AM

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...when Kuper is healthy, the Broncos will look at moving him to left guard as one option.

That would put him in competition with Beadles at that point if the Broncos stick to that scenario. But Kuper is a ways away from getting back on the field, so the Broncos will have to see how he bounces back...
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Also notable that Ramirez is playing ahead of Blake at center.

Ray Finkle 05-22-2013 07:19 AM

They have cap room, it makes little sense to cut him.

TheReverend 05-22-2013 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray Finkle (Post 3850908)
They have cap room, it makes little sense to cut him.

Came in to post this.

We lost enough leadership this offseason. Unnecessarily creating a larger void, while losing what is at WORST "depth", is just silly.

pricejj 05-22-2013 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray Finkle (Post 3850908)
They have cap room, it makes little sense to cut him.

Blowing $7.2M ($5.4M in 2013 + $1.8M dead money in 2014) in cap space on a dude who should retire? Not a great idea.

SoCalBronco 05-22-2013 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray Finkle (Post 3850908)
They have cap room, it makes little sense to cut him.

Agreed. Since it doesn't seem we will be making any more significant moves, there is no benefit at all to getting rid of Kuper. He is one of the top linemen on the team and will find a place in a reorganized line.

Don't be greedy old man, you already have plenty of Whiskey money.

Ray Finkle 05-22-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3851105)
Blowing $7.2M ($5.4M in 2013 + $1.8M dead money in 2014) in cap space on a dude who should retire? Not a great idea.

It costs less to keep him and provided needed depth than cut him and sign a poo stick alternative.

Pendejo 05-22-2013 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Finkle (Post 3851114)
It costs less to keep him and provided needed depth than cut him and sign a poo stick alternative.

He's also a pretty nasty player...which is nice...when he's not beat to ****.

What an incredibly horrible run of luck(?) he's had.

TheReverend 05-22-2013 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3851105)
Blowing $7.2M ($5.4M in 2013 + $1.8M dead money in 2014) in cap space on a dude who should retire? Not a great idea.

1. Where would you spend the money instead? This is more about opportunity cost than any flat monetary cost?

2. Why the **** do you think he should retire...?

Taco John 05-22-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend (Post 3851118)
1. Where would you spend the money instead?

Locking up Clady long term...

pricejj 05-22-2013 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReverend (Post 3851118)
1. Where would you spend the money instead? This is more about opportunity cost than any flat monetary cost?

1. Can't have a $80M cap hit for just the Offense in 2014 (which is what it would be if they keep Kuper).
2. Opportunity cost is cap flexibility in 2014. Peyton's restructure + cutting Mays/Kuper/(McGahee or Moreno) gives the Broncos flexibility to re-sign ALL internal FA's in 2014 without backloading contracts, and sign another impact FA if wanted. Without that, they would be lucky to re-sign everybody...let alone add anyone else.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReverend (Post 3851118)
2. Why the **** do you think he should retire...?

My wife had ankle joint damage a couple years ago (reportedly what Kuper had), and won't ever be able to run again without swelling. Every time we go on a hike swelling/limping is an issue afterward. Can't imagine the impact playing football. Looks a lot like what was happening to him during the Ravens game (a full year after the original injury). I'm not a doctor, but any Orthopedic surgeon will tell you ankle joint damage is a chronic issue, because the cartilage is compromised. Pretty sure that's why the first thing they did this offseason was to sign Vasquez.

We had the best surgeon I could find, and had the plate removed 6 months after the injury. Did everything we could. Hope Kuper's (and Walton's) situation is different. I think Walton's injury was a little higher on the leg, maybe it didn't affect the ankle joint like it did with Kuper.

TheReverend 05-22-2013 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 3851124)
Locking up Clady long term...

I award you 0 points. If he rebounds to form when healthy we have nearly 10m to work with NOW.

Kaylore 05-22-2013 02:16 PM

Kuper makes this team better.

TheReverend 05-22-2013 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3851128)
1. Can't have a $80M cap hit for just the Offense in 2014 (which is what it would be if they keep Kuper).
2. Opportunity cost is cap flexibility in 2014. Peyton's restructure + cutting Mays/Kuper/(McGahee or Moreno) gives the Broncos flexibility to re-sign ALL internal FA's in 2014 without backloading contracts, and sign another impact FA if wanted. Without that, they would be lucky to re-sign everybody...let alone add anyone else.

2. Why the **** do you think he should retire...?

My wife had ankle joint damage a couple years ago (reportedly what Kuper had), and won't ever be able to run again without swelling. Looks a lot like what was happening to him during the Ravens game (a full year after the original injury). I'm not a doctor, but any Orthopedic surgeon will tell you ankle joint damage is a chronic issue. Pretty sure that's why the first thing they did this offseason was to sign Vasquez.

So you want to cut him now and lose depth instead of next offseason if proven superfluous? Sounds like a poor decision to me, but at least you have some reasoning behind it.

The ankle injury reasoning is pretty silly. These guys have better doctors than what your wife was afforded and it's quite literally their occupation to rehab, so they're fully devoted to it and physical therapy, that's why recovery times are so much better. There's a laundry list of NFL players that haven't skipped a beat after even serious ankle injuries.

pricejj 05-22-2013 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReverend (Post 3851135)
So you want to cut him now and lose depth instead of next offseason if proven superfluous? Sounds like a poor decision to me, but at least you have some reasoning behind it.

The best bet would restructure him down to $1M for one year (like they did with DJ Williams in 2012) without touching the rest of the contract, and see how it plays out...that's IF he's healthy at the end of training camp. If he can't snap out of it, then the overall cap hit would be the same if they cut him now, or later (in 2014). That's a good deal for all parties involved.

Only problem with that is, you risk losing Phillip Blake on the practice squad, which they may, or may not, want to do.

SonOfLe-loLang 05-22-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3851128)
1. Can't have a $80M cap hit for just the Offense in 2014 (which is what it would be if they keep Kuper).
2. Opportunity cost is cap flexibility in 2014. Peyton's restructure + cutting Mays/Kuper/(McGahee or Moreno) gives the Broncos flexibility to re-sign ALL internal FA's in 2014 without backloading contracts, and sign another impact FA if wanted. Without that, they would be lucky to re-sign everybody...let alone add anyone else.



My wife had ankle joint damage a couple years ago (reportedly what Kuper had), and won't ever be able to run again without swelling. Every time we go on a hike swelling/limping is an issue afterward. Can't imagine the impact playing football. Looks a lot like what was happening to him during the Ravens game (a full year after the original injury). I'm not a doctor, but any Orthopedic surgeon will tell you ankle joint damage is a chronic issue, because the cartilage is compromised. Pretty sure that's why the first thing they did this offseason was to sign Vasquez.

We had the best surgeon I could find, and had the plate removed 6 months after the injury. Did everything we could. Hope Kuper's (and Walton's) situation is different. I think Walton's injury was a little higher on the leg, maybe it didn't affect the ankle joint like it did with Kuper.

Did you really suggest Kuper retire because of an injury your wife had?

TheReverend 05-22-2013 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3851144)
The best bet would restructure him down to $1M for one year (like they did with DJ Williams in 2012) without touching the rest of the contract, and see how it plays out...that's IF he's healthy at the end of training camp. If he can't snap out of it, then the overall cap hit would be the same if they cut him now, or later (in 2014). That's a good deal for all parties involved.

Only problem with that is, you risk losing Phillip Blake on the practice squad, which they may, or may not, want to do.

So you want to straight up release one of our best linemen just because you're worried Phillip ****ing Blake might get put on the PS and potentially claimed?

For real?

You get super passionate about some weird nuances, mang

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang (Post 3851148)
Did you really suggest Kuper retire because of an injury your wife had?

Lol'd.

05-22-2013 02:48 PM

How come nobody is asking Kuper to take a pay cut to remain with the team. If Doom was overpaid I think everyone of us agree Kuper is overpaid as well.

TheReverend 05-22-2013 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bacchus (Post 3851163)
How come nobody is asking Kuper to take a pay cut to remain with the team. If Doom was overpaid I think everyone of us agree Kuper is overpaid as well.

He's paid as much as Blalock and Yanda and a little more than Harvey Dahl and Richie Incognito.

That's about right on.

If you want overpaid:

Joe Mays is the 10th highest paid LB in the league (ALL LBs)

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/linebacker/


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