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cutthemdown 04-17-2013 03:19 PM

Gun control dying in the Senate.
 
The Senate on Wednesday defeated a vital background check amendment seen as the linchpin to Democrats' gun control bill, dealing a major setback to President Obama -- who lashed out at opponents in unusually blunt terms during remarks from the Rose Garden.

"All in all, this was a pretty shameful day for Washington," Obama said.

The vote was 54-46, with supporters falling six votes short of the required 60-vote threshold.



Democrats couldn't get the votes and were not willing to sacrifice the 4-5 dem senators who would lose re-election if they voted for it.

ant1999e 04-17-2013 04:07 PM

Did I hear correctly that Harry Reid voted against it.

cutthemdown 04-17-2013 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e (Post 3830214)
Did I hear correctly that Harry Reid voted against it.

He would have voted yes but because of their rules if he did he couldn't bring it up for a vote again. So by voting no they can work on the dems who voted against it. Basically Obama willing to sacrifice the Sen in Montana, Alaska in order to win this thing but they don't want to lose next election. Gun control very regional and its not a good issue for the dems which is why even the bill they voted on watered down like a bad drink. Really considering what liberals want in gun control the legislation is a joke. It virtually does nothing to make schools or people safer.

peacepipe 04-17-2013 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3830218)
He would have voted yes but because of their rules if he did he couldn't bring it up for a vote again. So by voting no they can work on the dems who voted against it. Basically Obama willing to sacrifice the Sen in Montana, Alaska in order to win this thing but they don't want to lose next election. Gun control very regional and its not a good issue for the dems which is why even the bill they voted on watered down like a bad drink. Really considering what liberals want in gun control the legislation is a joke. It virtually does nothing to make schools or people safer.

Actually you can put the blame squarely on reps,they didn't need to filibuster forcing 60 votes on this bill. The bill had the votes,54,in order to pass.

Just another reason to abolish the filibuster.

cutthemdown 04-17-2013 04:33 PM

Even dems don't want to abolish the fillibuster so why argue about it? You can put the blame on Biden who was in charge of getting the needed votes and the dems who voted against it. Won't matter for me CA wants to ban all gun with detachable magazines. So that right there is probably more in line with what liberals really want. This DC BS more about trying to do something that looks like they want to do something about it without losing the dems in Montana, Alaska etc. CA more like what liberals really want because they have supreme power here right now.

ant1999e 04-17-2013 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3830220)
Actually you can put the blame squarely on reps,they didn't need to filibuster forcing 60 votes on this bill. The bill had the votes,54,in order to pass.

Just another reason to abolish the filibuster.

Blame the creators of this garbage for pushing worthless legislation. It would have done nothing to prevent the recent tragedies and will do nothing to prevent future ones. Maybe they should try a little harder to come up with better ideas.

peacepipe 04-17-2013 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e (Post 3830230)
Blame the creators of this garbage for pushing worthless legislation. It would have done nothing to prevent the recent tragedies and will do nothing to prevent future ones. Maybe they should try a little harder to come up with better ideas.

Wouldn't stop all attacks but it would have prevented some which is better than nothing.

ant1999e 04-17-2013 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3830231)
Wouldn't stop all attacks but it would have prevented some which is better than nothing.

Which ones would it have stopped?

cutthemdown 04-17-2013 06:13 PM

It is a garbage piece of wag the dog legislation. Kudos for repubs for standing up to this BS.

04-18-2013 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3830270)
It is a garbage piece of wag the dog legislation. Kudos for repubs for standing up to this BS.

Damn right!!!!!

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS DEAD! :giggle:

Tombstone RJ 04-18-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3830220)
Actually you can put the blame squarely on reps,they didn't need to filibuster forcing 60 votes on this bill. The bill had the votes,54,in order to pass.

Just another reason to abolish the filibuster.

Not at all! Everyone from time to time has used the filibuster, democrats and republicans. Just because the left doesn't like it does not mean it should be abolished. The liberals love it when there's a filibuster on issues they believe in. Total hypocrisy from the left, again.

TonyR 04-18-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3830540)
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS DEAD!

Dying, but not dead.

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When I was in college, and first became a conservative, it was the liberals who had a reputation as rigid, doctrinaire, snide, and off-putting. Iím generalizing, but in those days, liberals were the ones who were far more likely to be brittle, who werenít willing to look around and adjust their prescriptions to changing circumstances, who seemed disconnected from the world as it was. It seemed to me that liberals had emotional and ideological touchstones in a bygone political and cultural era, and they dealt with changing times by insisting on greater ideological purity in the ranks. Whatever else 1980s liberalism wasnít, it wasnít attractive. It seemed outdated and exhausted, both in terms of substantive policies and in terms of the way it presented itself to the public.

I began my college career as a liberal, and it slowly began to dawn on me that I didnít really believe in liberalism so much as I couldnít stand Reagan and the people who loved him. I spent my freshman year fuming over the fact that my dad and all his friends were Reagan Democrats living in false consciousness; it never once occurred to me to wonder why it was working-class men had ceased to identify with the Democratic Party, and whether or not liberalism had anything wrong with it. My side was losing, but we found it easier to blame the fools who voted for Reagan, or to blame Reagan for being such an accomplished liar, than to examine ourselves and our own beliefs. (When I did begin to do that, my liberalism, which was primarily attitudinal, faded away.)

This is pretty much the case with conservatism today, Iím afraid. We could argue, and should argue, over what the policies of conservative government should be today; thatís not my point in this blog entry. My point here is that there is no creative ferment on the Right, no breathing space, few places where new ideas can emerge. All the energy on the Right seems aimed at hunting down the heretics within. That, and making life as hard as possible for the opposition, not because they have something better in mind, but as an end in itself.
http://www.theamericanconservative.c...rvative-brand/

peacepipe 04-18-2013 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 3830543)
Not at all! Everyone from time to time has used the filibuster, democrats and republicans. Just because the left doesn't like it does not mean it should be abolished. The liberals love it when there's a filibuster on issues they believe in. Total hypocrisy from the left, again.

Filibusters are supposed to be rare not an everyday event.

04-18-2013 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3830544)

Sounds like a description of the Democrats, so I guess they're "dying," too. :thumbs:

04-18-2013 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3830231)
Wouldn't stop all attacks but it would have prevented some which is better than nothing.

How's that?

Yet again, you guys want to outlaw a type of gun in the name of saving lives and tell us to instead use another type of gun which kills more people.

Nonsensical, retarded.

04-18-2013 11:03 AM

Hopefully the Dems will pipe down on their loud, arrogant insistence that "gun control is inevitable." We're all tired of the endless premature ejaculations.

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Dr. Broncenstein 04-18-2013 11:42 AM

Obama is super pissed that he didn't get to blame the failure of his gun grabbing agenda on the house. Thanks for the help, democrat controlled senate.

peacepipe 04-18-2013 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3830595)
Obama is super pissed that he didn't get to blame the failure of his gun grabbing agenda on the house. Thanks for the help, democrat controlled senate.

You don't have a clue on how the senate works,do you.

Dr. Broncenstein 04-18-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3830596)
You don't have a clue on how the senate works,do you.

It works just fine, apparently. Squirt some more tears about it.

Pony Boy 04-18-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3830603)
It works just fine, apparently. Squirt some more tears about it.

pisspipe got his panties in a wad ..........

04-18-2013 12:14 PM

First the bogus "assault weapons" ban went down and now this, and it's Democrat-controlled!

YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS **** UP.

Feinstein won the backing of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who had previously voted against renewing the ban. But 15 of her fellow Democrats, including a number from Western states, and one independent voted against the ban, as did all Republicans except Sen. Mark Steven Kirk of Illinois.

peacepipe 04-18-2013 12:19 PM

This isn't over by a long shot.

Dukes 04-18-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3830618)
This isn't over by a long shot.

We know, the dream of Communism will never die for some of you.

Dr. Broncenstein 04-18-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3830618)
This isn't over by a long shot.

Lets hope not. I hope to get a couple of kegs worth of your tears by the time it's said and done.

04-18-2013 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dukes (Post 3830619)
We know, the dream of Communism will never die for some of you.

It governs their hearts if nothing else. :)


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