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cutthemdown 04-08-2013 05:31 AM

Margaret Thatcher dead at 87
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/09/wo...-has-died.html

LONDON — Margaret Thatcher, a towering, divisive and yet revered figure who left an enduring impact on British politics, died on Monday of a stroke, her family said.

“It is with great sadness that Mark and Carol Thatcher announced that their mother Baroness Thatcher died peacefully following a stroke this morning,” a statement from her spokesman, Lord Tim Bell, said.

Lady Thatcher had been in poor health for months. She served as prime minister for 11 years, beginning in 1979. She was known variously as the ‘Iron Lady,’ a stern Conservative who transformed Britain’s way of thinking about its economic and political life, broke union power and opened the way to far greater private ownership.

04-08-2013 05:47 AM

England hasn't been the same since she started their downfall.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun 04-08-2013 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus (Post 3826372)
England hasn't been the same since she started their downfall.

And it starts.

cutthemdown 04-08-2013 06:03 AM

What a glorious victory when she slayed the mighty Argentinians. People on the Falklands love her!

Kaylore 04-08-2013 06:24 AM

She was one of the greatest leaders in the UK. The left hates her, but she was an incredibly capable woman in a man's world. A great loss.

peacepipe 04-08-2013 07:50 AM

Englands reagon. Loved by conservatives,not so much by everybodyelse.

gyldenlove 04-08-2013 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3826399)
Englands reagon. Loved by conservatives,not so much by everybodyelse.

She is pretty universally hated in England, their economy and industry never recovered from the damage that was done under her conservative government. I can't think of another democratically elected government leader who has been so universally disliked in their own country after they left office.

She definitely made her mark on Britain and in a lot of ways spearheaded the notion that a woman can lead a major international power.

Crushaholic 04-08-2013 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3826382)
She was one of the greatest leaders in the UK. The left hates her, but she was an incredibly capable woman in a man's world. A great loss.

She definitely had the American left wing confused. They wanted more women, in power. They just didn't want THAT woman...:rofl:

RIP, Iron Lady...

Requiem 04-08-2013 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by gyldenlove (Post 3826400)
She is pretty universally hated in England, their economy and industry never recovered from the damage that was done under her conservative government. I can't think of another democratically elected government leader who has been so universally disliked in their own country after they left office.

She definitely made her mark on Britain and in a lot of ways spearheaded the notion that a woman can lead a major international power.

Uh oh. . . you done said some bad words. You are gonna get in trouble. ;D

BowlenBall 04-08-2013 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3826405)
Uh oh. . . you done said some bad words. You are gonna get in trouble. ;D

Living in Abu Dhabi, most of the native English speakers I pal around with are from the U.K.

Out of the 6 or 7 I talked to today, not one had something nice to say about her.

Small sample size, sure, but still.... a bit odd.

gyldenlove 04-08-2013 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3826405)
Uh oh. . . you done said some bad words. You are gonna get in trouble. ;D

I lived there for 2 years and I don't think I ever met anyone who could have a full conversation about her without at some point saying how she did major damage to the economy and industry of UK. I am sure people exist who really liked her and think she only had good policies, but it is not a common attitude.

Requiem 04-08-2013 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gyldenlove (Post 3826408)
I lived there for 2 years and I don't think I ever met anyone who could have a full conversation about her without at some point saying how she did major damage to the economy and industry of UK. I am sure people exist who really liked her and think she only had good policies, but it is not a common attitude.

Oh definitely, I know. There aren't going to be a lot of people touting a person whose policies decimated their industrial capacity and left over a quarter of the population in poverty. . . but this is the OM. Same usual suspects heralding their same ilk-minded idols, regardless of how aloof they are to history.

Chris 04-08-2013 08:38 AM

RIP Maggie from a Labour supporter. Much respect too from the little boy that celebrated the handover with your bodyguards ;)

ColoradoDarin 04-08-2013 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by gyldenlove (Post 3826408)
I lived there for 2 years and I don't think I ever met anyone who could have a full conversation about her without at some point saying how she did major damage to the economy and industry of UK. I am sure people exist who really liked her and think she only had good policies, but it is not a common attitude.

You probably don't even know anyone who voted for Nixon either!

peacepipe 04-08-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin (Post 3826431)
You probably don't even know anyone who voted for Nixon either!

Did you read his post ??? He said he is sure there are some who loved her.

Kaylore 04-08-2013 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin (Post 3826431)
You probably don't even know anyone who voted for Nixon either!

:rofl: Great quote.

Her approval is clearly in the positive in the UK according to polling data today and at the time of her exit from politics - except among leftists, with whom she is wildly unpopular. To me that is a sign she was good at het job.

Labour actually co-opted many of her policies and that is a reason the conservatives fell out of favour in the UK. The UK is actually pretty conservative as a country compared to their Euro cousins.

Chris 04-08-2013 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3826439)
:rofl: Great quote.

Her approval is clearly in the positive in the UK according to polling data today and at the time of her exit from politics - except among leftists, with whom she is wildly unpopular. To me that is a sign she was good at het job.

Labour actually co-opted many of her policies and that is a reason the conservatives fell out of favour in the UK. The UK is actually pretty conservative as a country compared to their Euro cousins.

Absolutely. And they weren't beforehand. She shaped what the UK is today. I still look to Germany as a good model though.

gyldenlove 04-08-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin (Post 3826431)
You probably don't even know anyone who voted for Nixon either!

I do, and I know people who have nice things to say about Nixon's politics.

peacepipe 04-08-2013 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3826439)
:rofl: Great quote.

Her approval is clearly in the positive in the UK according to polling data today and at the time of her exit from politics - except among leftists, with whom she is wildly unpopular. To me that is a sign she was good at het job.

Labour actually co-opted many of her policies and that is a reason the conservatives fell out of favour in the UK. The UK is actually pretty conservative as a country compared to their Euro cousins.

She was pushed out by her own party. Her party didn't think too much of her. But like I said,loved among conservatives not so much by everybody else.

gyldenlove 04-08-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3826439)
:rofl: Great quote.

Her approval is clearly in the positive in the UK according to polling data today and at the time of her exit from politics - except among leftists, with whom she is wildly unpopular. To me that is a sign she was good at het job.

Labour actually co-opted many of her policies and that is a reason the conservatives fell out of favour in the UK. The UK is actually pretty conservative as a country compared to their Euro cousins.

I am not sure where you get that from, but it clearly isn't a reputable source. She had the 2nd lowest approval rating of any prime minister after WW2 in the UK during her reign and her own party kicked her out of office at a time when the party was dead in the polls and she was polling even worse than the party average.

Her approval is high today because she is dead, nobody in England likes to speak ill of the dead.

Chris 04-08-2013 10:26 AM

I'd say all claims in this thread are accurate. She's a divisive figure but she defined modern England.

Blart 04-08-2013 11:23 AM

Party in Trafalgar Square this Saturday!
http://isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/

http://i.imgur.com/5HzULOE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JCgV8Io.png


The classic:
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Blart 04-08-2013 11:24 AM

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This is a great day. Baking a cake right now

Blart 04-08-2013 11:28 AM

Holy crap, easiest mix tape ever.

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Random Thatcher Facts:


1) Her economic ideology destroyed the UK's working class, and moved nearly all manufacturing overseas.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/1...7B40HB20111205

2) Oblivious to the troubles of newly unemployed and impoverished workers, she thought it would be a good idea to introduce a poll tax. Heh.

http://galleries.gothamistllc.com/as...9292353_10.jpg

http://gothamist.com/2013/04/08/phot...at.php#photo-1

3) The long term legacy of her economic policy blew up in everyone's faces in 2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ban...ial_markets%29

4) She loved apartheid.

5) She supported Pinochet.

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TonyR 04-08-2013 11:44 AM

She almost single-handedly revitalized British pop music!

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Musical responses to Thatcher came in three varieties. There were songs that took a hard look at the country, especially during the early 1980s recession and the Falklands war: the aimless dispossessed of Ghost Town, the conflicted dockworker of Shipbuilding, the struggling poor of A Town Called Malice, the despair-poisoned citizens of the The’s Heartland. There were the character assassinations: Crass’s incandescent Falklands response How Does It Feel to Be the Mother of 1,000 Dead (quoted to the lady herself at Prime Minister’s Question Time), the Blow Monkeys’ somewhat premature (Celebrate) The Day After You, Morrissey‘s Margaret on the Guillotine and Elvis Costello‘s venomous Tramp the Dirt Down.

I could name dozens more but there are hundreds in the third category: whole careers, like that of the Smiths, implicitly underpinned by opposition to Thatcherite values. Look at the long list of people who played benefit gigs for such causes as the miners’ strike or Red Wedge and you’ll find such seemingly unlikely names as Wham! and Spandau Ballet’s Gary Kemp.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musi...pop-rock-music


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