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03-28-2013 09:13 AM

Forget Gay Marriage: What About The Decline Of Marriage?
 
From the thank you countercultural left department -

Forget Gay Marriage: What About The Decline Of Marriage?

Marriage Decline: The disintegration of the nuclear family particularly in the African-American community and the rise in fatherless homes have greater societal implications than gay marriage, yet few pay attention.

The debate over gay marriage has taken center stage with two cases, one involving California's Proposition 8 which bans it, and the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) which bars federal agencies recognizing the validity of same-sex marriages in the states where they are legal, now before the U.S. Supreme Court.

We have argued that the civil purpose of marriage is not and never has been to reaffirm the love of two people for one another.

Nor is marriage primarily a business arrangement.

This country and healthy societies around the world and throughout history have given marriage between a man and a woman special legal protection because of the recognition that it is the one institution that ensures the society's stable future through the orderly procreation and upbringing of children.

In this context, we find the decline in marriage and the rise in illegitimacy, prime factors in crime, poverty and societal decay, being virtually ignored as the Supreme Court looks at the penumbras and emanations from the Constitution to decide whether Adam and Steve can legally tie the knot.

We should be more concerned about that than about gay rights and free contraceptives. As traditional marriage breaks down, so does society.

We have certainly come a long way from "The Cosby Show." In 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote "The Negro Family: A Case for National Action."

At the time, 25% of black children were born out of wedlock, a number Moynihan called alarming. Today, 72% of black children are now born out of wedlock. In fact, 36% of white children are born out of wedlock. Of Hispanic children, 53% are born outside of marriage.

Illegitimacy is even glorified in our culture, as reflected in the now cancelled cable "reality" show "All My Babies' Mamas," dropped from Oprah Winfrey's Oxygen network after a public outcry. The show was to follow Shawty Lo, a rapper from Atlanta, who fathered 11 children by 10 different mothers.

The consequences of fatherlessness are staggering. In such homes there is no role model who gets up every morning, shaves and gets dressed and goes to work, coming home to have dinner with his family.

There is no male role model to restrain a young man's masculine impulses and guide him into adulthood.

W*GS 03-28-2013 09:31 AM

Your Messiah Rush is doing his part to destroy "traditional" marriage.

peacepipe 03-28-2013 09:37 AM

Lol,the Arthur taking the devils advocate position on marriage. Marriage isn't about procreation,otherwise,a lot of infertile heterosexual marriages would be invalid.

houghtam 03-28-2013 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3822445)
From the thank you countercultural left department -

Forget Gay Marriage: What About The Decline Of Marriage?

Marriage Decline: The disintegration of the nuclear family particularly in the African-American community and the rise in fatherless homes have greater societal implications than gay marriage, yet few pay attention.

The debate over gay marriage has taken center stage with two cases, one involving California's Proposition 8 which bans it, and the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) which bars federal agencies recognizing the validity of same-sex marriages in the states where they are legal, now before the U.S. Supreme Court.

We have argued that the civil purpose of marriage is not and never has been to reaffirm the love of two people for one another.

Nor is marriage primarily a business arrangement.

This country and healthy societies around the world and throughout history have given marriage between a man and a woman special legal protection because of the recognition that it is the one institution that ensures the society's stable future through the orderly procreation and upbringing of children.

In this context, we find the decline in marriage and the rise in illegitimacy, prime factors in crime, poverty and societal decay, being virtually ignored as the Supreme Court looks at the penumbras and emanations from the Constitution to decide whether Adam and Steve can legally tie the knot.

We should be more concerned about that than about gay rights and free contraceptives. As traditional marriage breaks down, so does society.

We have certainly come a long way from "The Cosby Show." In 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote "The Negro Family: A Case for National Action."

At the time, 25% of black children were born out of wedlock, a number Moynihan called alarming. Today, 72% of black children are now born out of wedlock. In fact, 36% of white children are born out of wedlock. Of Hispanic children, 53% are born outside of marriage.

Illegitimacy is even glorified in our culture, as reflected in the now cancelled cable "reality" show "All My Babies' Mamas," dropped from Oprah Winfrey's Oxygen network after a public outcry. The show was to follow Shawty Lo, a rapper from Atlanta, who fathered 11 children by 10 different mothers.

The consequences of fatherlessness are staggering. In such homes there is no role model who gets up every morning, shaves and gets dressed and goes to work, coming home to have dinner with his family.

There is no male role model to restrain a young man's masculine impulses and guide him into adulthood.

Stopped reading right there. Was about to stop reading two lines before.

The article assumes they know why marriage was created one line after stating it wasn't created primarily as a business relationship or exchange of property. Both are wrong.

Requiem 03-28-2013 10:27 AM

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DenverBrit 03-28-2013 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3822445)
From the thank you countercultural left department -

Forget Gay Marriage: What About The Decline Of Marriage?

Marriage Decline: The disintegration of the nuclear family particularly in the African-American community and the rise in fatherless homes have greater societal implications than gay marriage, yet few pay attention.

The debate over gay marriage has taken center stage with two cases, one involving California's Proposition 8 which bans it, and the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) which bars federal agencies recognizing the validity of same-sex marriages in the states where they are legal, now before the U.S. Supreme Court.

We have argued that the civil purpose of marriage is not and never has been to reaffirm the love of two people for one another.

Nor is marriage primarily a business arrangement.

This country and healthy societies around the world and throughout history have given marriage between a man and a woman special legal protection because of the recognition that it is the one institution that ensures the society's stable future through the orderly procreation and upbringing of children.

In this context, we find the decline in marriage and the rise in illegitimacy, prime factors in crime, poverty and societal decay, being virtually ignored as the Supreme Court looks at the penumbras and emanations from the Constitution to decide whether Adam and Steve can legally tie the knot.

We should be more concerned about that than about gay rights and free contraceptives. As traditional marriage breaks down, so does society.

We have certainly come a long way from "The Cosby Show." In 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote "The Negro Family: A Case for National Action."

At the time, 25% of black children were born out of wedlock, a number Moynihan called alarming. Today, 72% of black children are now born out of wedlock. In fact, 36% of white children are born out of wedlock. Of Hispanic children, 53% are born outside of marriage.

Illegitimacy is even glorified in our culture, as reflected in the now cancelled cable "reality" show "All My Babies' Mamas," dropped from Oprah Winfrey's Oxygen network after a public outcry. The show was to follow Shawty Lo, a rapper from Atlanta, who fathered 11 children by 10 different mothers.

The consequences of fatherlessness are staggering. In such homes there is no role model who gets up every morning, shaves and gets dressed and goes to work, coming home to have dinner with his family.

There is no male role model to restrain a young man's masculine impulses and guide him into adulthood.

Doesn't seem to be a problem in a gay male marriage.

Rohirrim 03-28-2013 11:36 AM

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03-28-2013 03:41 PM

As I expected, the lib crowd came to this thread to defecate everywhere about gay marriage while ignoring the far more important portion of this article.

Clearly you all have your priorities in the right place, as always.

Good work!

03-28-2013 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverBrit (Post 3822499)
Doesn't seem to be a problem in a gay male marriage.

How about a female role model for the girls?

^5

peacepipe 03-28-2013 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3822677)
As I expected, the lib crowd came to this thread to defecate everywhere about gay marriage while ignoring the far more important portion of this article.

Clearly you all have your priorities in the right place, as always.

Good work!

The article is BS. The article operates on the premise that marriage is based on procreation when it isn't. It's bogus.

Fedaykin 03-28-2013 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3822677)
As I expected, the lib crowd came to this thread to defecate everywhere about gay marriage while ignoring the far more important portion of this article.

Clearly you all have your priorities in the right place, as always.

Good work!

More games. Ignore everything but a select few posts, claim victory. True Conservative Integrity(TM) there folks.

03-28-2013 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3822789)
The article is BS. The article operates on the premise that marriage is based on procreation when it isn't. It's bogus.

As I pointed out, libs are ignoring the most important thing:

Studies show that a home with a married couple and their children is the most healthy for the children.

Too busy beating the drum to notice, eh?

03-28-2013 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fedaykin (Post 3822798)
More games. Ignore everything but a select few posts, claim victory. True Conservative Integrity(TM) there folks.

So which liberals aren't defecating on this thread? YOU just did it.

^5

houghtam 03-28-2013 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3822822)
Studies show that a home with a married couple and their children is the most healthy for the children.

Good, so then let gays get married and adopt.

DenverBrit 03-28-2013 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3822678)
How about a female role model for the girls?

^5

Lesbians! Try and keep up. :rofl:

Pony Boy 03-29-2013 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3822836)
Good, so then let gays get married and adopt.

So would it be ok to let a brother and a sister get married and adopt or an uncle and a niece and adopt? My question is this a moral issue and if so where do we draw the line?

My position is I don't agree with gay marriage but I also think it should be left up to the states to decide.

houghtam 03-29-2013 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3823060)
So would it be ok to let a brother and a sister get married and adopt or an uncle and a niece and adopt? My question is this a moral issue and if so where do we draw the line?

My position is I don't agree with gay marriage but I also think it should be left up to the states to decide.

My position on all marriage is that it is not for the states or the federal government to decide. If it were up to me, any two consenting adults should be able to apply for a civil union. Any and all "marriages" fall in the realm of religious rites and therefore should not be recognized.

Just as we had to get a marriage certificate from the state in addition to getting married in the Church, anyone wanting legal recognition would now just need to get a civil union certificate in addition to their marriage by their religion.

Now here is a question for you. If you leave it up for the states to decide what defines marriage, and they all come out with different definitions, how do you reconcile that with the full faith and credit clause?

Pony Boy 03-29-2013 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3823071)
My position on all marriage is that it is not for the states or the federal government to decide. If it were up to me, any two consenting adults should be able to apply for a civil union. Any and all "marriages" fall in the realm of religious rites and therefore should not be recognized.

Just as we had to get a marriage certificate from the state in addition to getting married in the Church, anyone wanting legal recognition would now just need to get a civil union certificate in addition to their marriage by their religion.

Now here is a question for you. If you leave it up for the states to decide what defines marriage, and they all come out with different definitions, how do you reconcile that with the full faith and credit clause?

The full faith and credit clause was never used to force a state to recognize a interracial marriage from a state where it was legal until the Supreme Court struck down the law banning interracial marriage in 1967.

I'm a firm believer in states rights but will go along with the decision of the Supreme Court if they strike down the law but it does open the door for all other types of marriages.

Requiem 03-29-2013 05:01 PM

Allowing gays to marry does not open the door for other types of marriages.

W*GS 03-29-2013 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3823194)
Allowing gays to marry does not open the door for other types of marriages.

Yep.

Righties think everyone is like them; for example, since they can't count, neither can we.


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