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Quoydogs 03-22-2013 11:49 AM

OT--Bigger invention
 
what was the Bigger invention ?

Train

Plane

or

car.


Little board and arguing with the wife. Help a fella out.

55CrushEm 03-22-2013 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoydogs (Post 3819009)
what was the Bigger invention ?

Train

Plane

or

car.


Little board and arguing with the wife. Help a fella out.

I would say the plane.

All 3 use wheels, which were invented LONG, LONG ago.......but the plane defies gravity. To get a multi-ton vehicle up into the sky......I belive that is the biggest FEAT.

JMO.

broncosteven 03-22-2013 11:56 AM

Train started the industrial revolution as goods could be shipped. It also helped settle the west. We still ship the majority of our goods on trains.

Planes are cool but not as earth shattering. We can do everything with trains, trucks and boats that a plane can do only slower.

Car's didn't do anything other than allow suburbs to grow along with pollution and a reliance on oil.

Hope for your sake the wife wins

gyldenlove 03-22-2013 12:00 PM

Train definitely, the only reason Europeans took over all of North America so quickly was the train, it allowed distant regions to be connected and huge quantities of goods to be moved without relying on rivers and oceans.

03-22-2013 12:03 PM

I would say car. A car directly affects families worldwide. It's a basic necessity for their daily routines. Not only for an individual but for economies around the world. You take a car away from someone in today's world and their lives are turned upside down. You take a train away today and people would ship by semi or plane. You take a plane away today and people drive. You take the car away and it would be mayhem.

Rohirrim 03-22-2013 12:03 PM

Trains changed the entire world. Planes and cars are just modifications to the original idea.

Requiem 03-22-2013 12:05 PM

Bigger and more important invention for whom? If we are talking about impacts on the American dynamic, it is undoubtedly the train. If it weren't for the railway system being developed in the United States, Westward expansion would not have even been remotely possible or journeys that way sustainable. Towns that had railway systems back when they developed prospered, those that didn't faded away. Trains could carry a ridiculous amount more than wagons, whether it be farming resources or water, as well as materials and creature comforts to help build a foundation in the West. Even though they were still subject to attack, they weren't nearly as vulnerable as horse drawn wagons, etc. It also made economic expansion absolutely boom. Trains allowed for us to ship agricultural products on the Western Front that weren't readily available out east with relative ease. It literally connected everything in this country and they still play an important role in the aforementioned today. Trains are ****ing AWESOME. TRAINS WIN.

broncosteven 03-22-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic (Post 3819025)
I would say car. A car directly affects families worldwide. It's a basic necessity for their daily routines. Not only for an individual but for economies around the world. You take a car away from someone in today's world and their lives are turned upside down.

Until we all rode bikes or mopeds or...wait for it...THE TRAIN!

Requiem 03-22-2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic (Post 3819025)
I would say car. A car directly affects families worldwide. It's a basic necessity for their daily routines. Not only for an individual but for economies around the world. You take a car away from someone in today's world and their lives are turned upside down. You take a train away today and people would ship by semi or plane. You take a plane away today and people drive. You take the car away and it would be mayhem.

Yeah. . . most people in the world don't have cars. LOL.

Quoydogs 03-22-2013 12:08 PM

See I think it was the car. I understand that train started it but you can live without those. Use diesels if need be for transportation.

Planes are fast and fly but you can live without them too.

Cars and trucks though, you just can't live without them anymore.

broncosteven 03-22-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3819028)
Bigger and more important invention for whom? If we are talking about impacts on the American dynamic, it is undoubtedly the train. If it weren't for the railway system being developed in the United States, Westward expansion would not have even been remotely possible or journeys that way sustainable. Towns that had railway systems back when they developed prospered, those that didn't faded away. Trains could carry a ridiculous amount more than wagons, whether it be farming resources or water, as well as materials and creature comforts to help build a foundation in the West. Even though they were still subject to attack, they weren't nearly as vulnerable as horse drawn wagons, etc. It also made economic expansion absolutely boom. Trains allowed for us to ship agricultural products on the Western Front that weren't readily available out east with relative ease. It literally connected everything in this country and they still play an important role in the aforementioned today. Trains are ****ing AWESOME. TRAINS WIN.

There was just as big an impact in England and Ireland as trains allowed coal fields to get their product to ports in larger quantities as well as fuel the industrial revolution with manufacturing and textile mills.

03-22-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3819033)
Yeah. . . most people in the world don't have cars. LOL.

There are countries around the world that wouldn't exist without oil.

I see alot of railroad tracks but I see even more roads. City landscapes built around the use of cars.

If a train was never invented but a car was life would still go on.

crush17 03-22-2013 12:14 PM

Horse drawn carriage or GTFO

03-22-2013 12:15 PM

A car can do what a train can. But a train cannot do what a car can.

Requiem 03-22-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Quoydogs (Post 3819034)
See I think it was the car. I understand that train started it but you can live without those. Use diesels if need be for transportation.

Planes are fast and fly but you can live without them too.

Cars and trucks though, you just can't live without them anymore.

Tell that to people who live in big cities and have no need for them. Less than 10% of the world owns an automobile, with 1/4 of the total cars in the world being here in the United States.

Do you think that cars are able to ship all the products we consume on a daily basis at the same effective rate as trains, etc.? No way.

I would rank cars dead last out of the three and would even rate the advent of the canal and naval systems higher.

On a personal level, now some, yeah a car would probably be the most "important" to the individual. Holistically, on the grand scheme of things, not even close.

crush17 03-22-2013 12:19 PM

Lol at not living without cars. I would like to introduce you to 2/3 of the planet.

Requiem 03-22-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic (Post 3819041)
There are countries around the world that wouldn't exist without oil.

I see alot of railroad tracks but I see even more roads. City landscapes built around the use of cars.

If a train was never invented but a car was life would still go on.

Are you even serious?

Yeah, because you are going to be able to carry fifteen tons of produce to help feed consumers across the country in the back of one Volkswagon.

We wouldn't have cars without trains. Do you even understand how the advent of engines in trains/caboose helped bring forth the automobile boom?

How efficient do you think the transportation of goods that we all use on a daily basis would be if we were shipping them in automobiles.

Good grief this is some of the silliest diatribe I've ever read.

03-22-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by crush17 (Post 3819048)
Lol at not living without cars. I would like to introduce you to 2/3 of the planet.

Put your car in the garage for 2 weeks. Do not use it one time. See how fast you'll miss it.

broncosteven 03-22-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic (Post 3819044)
A car can do what a train can. But a train cannot do what a car can.

You understand how products are moved around the country and the world right? It is cheaper, easier and cleaner to put shipping containers on flat beds and haul them by train to the local area and have trucks get the product to the last mile.

The reason there are less rail lines is because it is more efficent, you can haul more people and product on a set of rails than can be moved on a highway.

Most of us could do without cars, especially in the urban/suburban areas.

Cars are a luxury that serves a purpose.

Rail lines are the backbone of the country. There is a reason Berkshire Hathaway is one of the biggest companies in the world.

03-22-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3819049)
Are you even serious?

Yeah, because you are going to be able to carry fifteen tons of produce to help feed consumers across the country in the back of one Volkswagon.

We wouldn't have cars without trains. Do you even understand how the advent of engines in trains/caboose helped bring forth the automobile boom?

How efficient do you think the transportation of goods that we all use on a daily basis would be if we were shipping them in automobiles.

Good grief this is some of the silliest diatribe I've ever read.


It still wouldve been built, albeit slower. No one is debating a train was the foundation of building this country. But without a car this country today as you know it would cease to exist. Would be a FAR different place.

03-22-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by broncosteven (Post 3819058)
You understand how products are moved around the country and the world right? It is cheaper, easier and cleaner to put shipping containers on flat beds and haul them by train to the local area and have trucks get the product to the last mile.

The reason there are less rail lines is because it is more efficent, you can haul more people and product on a set of rails than can be moved on a highway.

Most of us could do without cars, especially in the urban/suburban areas.

Cars are a luxury that serves a purpose.

Rail lines are the backbone of the country. There is a reason Berkshire Hathaway is one of the biggest companies in the world.


A train does not give a human freedom to go anywhere they want like a car does. You call that a luxury I call that a necessity.


All I'm saying is you take the car away from society today and its armaggedon. There's a reason wars are started because of oil. Think about it. Take every car off the road in America. How long does it survive.

broncosteven 03-22-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic (Post 3819060)
A train does not give a human freedom to go anywhere they want like a car does. You call that a luxury I call that a necessity.

How many times do you get in the car and go anyplace but work, stores, friends then home? Maybe a vacation car trip here and there.

Thing is we were able to do that with wagons and horses.

Cars are nice haves but with better public transportation you could really do with out it if you wanted to. I know people who do not own cars and they still make it. They also live in the city where they are near everything, including an EL line that gets them to places faster than using surface streets.

gyldenlove 03-22-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic (Post 3819060)
A train does not give a human freedom to go anywhere they want like a car does. You call that a luxury I call that a necessity.

That is the biggest load of crap. The entire world was dominated by Europeans without the use of cars - but that wouldn't have happened without the train. Look at how the Romans, Mongols and Macedonian empires crumbled because they couldn't transport people and materials in mass over large distances - on the other hand you have the British empire which dwarfed those 3 even if you added them together and it was all built on the back of being able to move men and material via ship and railroad.

The car is an upgrade over the horse, but the car changed nothing.

All of these cities reached at least 1 million citizens before the car was invented:

1. Rome(Italy)-133 B.C.
2. Alexandria(Egypt)-30 B.C.
3. Angkor(Cambodia)-900
4. Hangzhou(China)-1200
5. London(UK)-1810
6. Paris(France)-1850
7. Beijing(China)-1855
8. Guangzhou(China)-1860
9. Berlin(Germany)-1870
10. Manhattan-1874

The car had nothing to do with urbanization.

03-22-2013 12:42 PM

I love how I'm getting bashed for my opinion.

Typical mane.

crush17 03-22-2013 12:45 PM

Please stop. Your replies are inaccurate and uninformed.

Oh, and just FYI- I've gone months without using my vehicle for any reason and been perfectly content. I live in downtown Denver and work in Highlands Ranch, and I can get wherever I need to with public transportation and a bike.


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