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Rigs11 03-18-2013 05:39 PM

GOP Dead
 
Heres the autopsy report breakdown:rofl:


The Republican National Committee has issued a big report on why the party lost their second straight election to the Kenyan Marxist -- and the popular vote in the fifth of the past six presidentials.

The good news?

These people are clearly convinced that all their problems can be solved through better marketing, messaging, tactics, tweaking the primary schedule -- plus tossing a few bones to the Mexicans and the gays.

Here's some of the most frequently used terms in the report:

Message/Messaging: 77
Technology: 42
Conservative: 23
Marketing: 15
Tone: 13
Regulations: 8

Getting the picture? And here is the occurrence of some key policy/issues in the report, including those that were debated in the 2012 election.

Taxes: 2
Tea Party: 1
Debt (National): 1
Health care: 0
Wall Street: 0
Inequality: 0
Medicare: 0
Social Security: 0
Abortion: 0
Gay Marriage: 0
Climate Change: 0
Iraq: 0
Contraception: 0
Terrorism: 0
Transvaginal Ultrasounds: 0

http://crooksandliars.com/blue-texan...report-numbers

Rohirrim 03-18-2013 07:25 PM

In other words, "We're just not piling the bull**** deep enough." Ha!

TonyR 03-19-2013 08:30 AM

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[O]nly 26 percent of Republicans support same-sex marriage rights as compared with 54 percent of independents and 66 percent of Democrats. Attitudes among Republican voters may shift on the issue by 2016, particularly if more respected conservatives like Mr. Portman announce their support for same-sex marriage, but it is less than clear that his position will reflect a broadly acceptable viewpoint among Republican primary and caucus voters by that time.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...-sex-marriage/

slick7 03-19-2013 08:33 AM

You think Portman does that if his son were straight?

DenverBrit 03-19-2013 09:15 AM

They claim to need to change and update their message, yet the usual suspects....Palin, Santorum, Perry etc are the keynote speakers and Christie is excluded.

This isn't the GOP, it's a club of like minded, right wing religious fundamentalists who's priority is to shape social policies in the US.

They have become the party of the 18th century.

peacepipe 03-19-2013 09:23 AM

Instead of accepting the fact that their policies are the problem,they think they need a better pitchman.

TonyR 03-19-2013 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slick7 (Post 3816812)
You think Portman does that if his son were straight?

Nope. And that underscores the larger problem.

Rohirrim 03-19-2013 09:34 AM

The fruit blossoms on the tree Lee Atwater planted. ;D

houghtam 03-19-2013 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3816860)
Nope. And that underscores the larger problem.

Gotta love governance based on how things affect you and only you.

Pretty much flies right in the face of what we call "representative democracy".

houghtam 03-19-2013 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverBrit (Post 3816843)
They claim to need to change and update their message, yet the usual suspects....Palin, Santorum, Perry etc are the keynote speakers and Christie is excluded.

This isn't the GOP, it's a club of like minded, right wing religious fundamentalists who's priority is to shape social policies in the US.

They have become the party of the 18th century.

Sarah Palin's depths of stupidity and bimboism never cease to amaze me. The speech she gave wasn't a speech so much as it was a collection of one liners much like what would be delivered by a cheerleader at a pep rally. No substance, no cognitive quality whatsoever, all shouted out to get a reaction from the crowd. She's no longer a politician (not that she ever was), she's worse than Ann Coulter...offering nothing to the conversation but division.

The GOP will never be able to move past the last 2 losses if they continue to pay that pig lipstick service. You can't sell the message of outreach and empathy for minorities in one breath and then pay a 40-something year old harpy to undermine that with comments about, once again, Barack Obama's birth certificate.

cutthemdown 03-19-2013 12:50 PM

Thank god enough conservatives left in the Senate so that the Assault Weapons Ban won't even be part of the legislation the are trying to pass on gun control. So we ain't dead yet we still change legislation to suit us.

Crushaholic 03-20-2013 08:18 AM

The GOP needs to find more Newt Gingrichs (without the baggage). People are too involved in political correctness, which the left owns. Romney spent much of the campaign agreeing with the principles of Obama. He just wanted to do it a little bit differently. The one time that I felt that he honestly told what he was thinking, he had to publically apologize for it. There is no way that Obama should have been reelected, given our current economic state. Once Republicans actually start shouting Republican ideals, they might find out that people actually agree with them...

Rohirrim 03-20-2013 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushaholic (Post 3817470)
The GOP needs to find more Newt Gingrichs (without the baggage). People are too involved in political correctness, which the left owns. Romney spent much of the campaign agreeing with the principles of Obama. He just wanted to do it a little bit differently. The one time that I felt that he honestly told what he was thinking, he had to publically apologize for it. There is no way that Obama should have been reelected, given our current economic state. Once Republicans actually start shouting Republican ideals, they might find out that people actually agree with them...

"Republican ideals" is what destroyed America.

peacepipe 03-20-2013 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushaholic (Post 3817470)
The GOP needs to find more Newt Gingrichs (without the baggage). People are too involved in political correctness, which the left owns. Romney spent much of the campaign agreeing with the principles of Obama. He just wanted to do it a little bit differently. The one time that I felt that he honestly told what he was thinking, he had to publically apologize for it. There is no way that Obama should have been reelected, given our current economic state. Once Republicans actually start shouting Republican ideals, they might find out that people actually agree with them...

Here we go with the bogus not a conservative enough candidate argument again.
The problem isn't that Republican ideals weren't pushed cause they were from ending abortion to more tax cuts etc. etc. The problem was Republican ideals were soundly rejected. Obviously,with your post you still don't get it.

TonyR 03-20-2013 10:00 AM

A HuffPost/YouGov poll asked: ďAll in all, considering the costs to the United States versus the benefits to the United States, do you think the war with Iraq was worth fighting, or not?Ē The response:

Quote:

Only 24 percent of respondents to the new poll said they thought the war had been worth fighting, while 54 percent said it had not been. Another 22 percent said they were not sure. Three-quarters of Democrats and 55 percent of independents said the Iraq War was not worth fighting. But Republicans were more likely to say that it was worth the cost than it was not ó by a 47 to 30 percent margin.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2902761.html

This Gallup poll... http://www.gallup.com/poll/161399/10...r-mistake.aspx
...found that 53% of Americans think the war was a mistake and 42% percent do not. Kevin Drum's reaction:
Quote:

How is it, ten years after the fact and with the benefit of hindsight, that 42 percent of the country still believes that invading Iraq wasnít a mistake? What would it take to convince these people?
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...-love-iraq-war

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...ts-supporters/

Rohirrim 03-20-2013 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3817537)
A HuffPost/YouGov poll asked: ďAll in all, considering the costs to the United States versus the benefits to the United States, do you think the war with Iraq was worth fighting, or not?Ē The response:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2902761.html

This Gallup poll... http://www.gallup.com/poll/161399/10...r-mistake.aspx
...found that 53% of Americans think the war was a mistake and 42% percent do not. Kevin Drum's reaction:
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...-love-iraq-war

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...ts-supporters/

The adherents of ideology do not require the application of facts to validate their beliefs. In fact, they despise facts. This is the disconnect I keep seeing with the Right. They still believe in supply side economics, tax cuts for the rich and deregulation. Even Huntsman says we should peg capital gains tax rates at zero. It's insane.

Crushaholic 03-20-2013 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3817484)
Here we go with the bogus not a conservative enough candidate argument again.
The problem isn't that Republican ideals weren't pushed cause they were from ending abortion to more tax cuts etc. etc. The problem was Republican ideals were soundly rejected. Obviously,with your post you still don't get it.

What Republican ideals were rejected? My theory is that Obama won because the Republicans weren't clear about their ideals. Newt Gingrich was never going to be the nominee because of his personal baggage. However, he came the closest to laying out the conservative philosophy...

Irish Stout 03-20-2013 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushaholic (Post 3817712)
What Republican ideals were rejected? My theory is that Obama won because the Republicans weren't clear about their ideals. Newt Gingrich was never going to be the nominee because of his personal baggage. However, he came the closest to laying out the conservative philosophy...

Taxes, free market wage structures, increased military spending, overturning Roe v. Wade, to name a few.

cutthemdown 03-21-2013 04:52 AM

Republicans need to decide what issues are the most important to them. The tug of the religious side, to the frugal spending side, but also the spend a ton on the military side. Sort of a 3 pronged attack that isn't working. If they were smart they would say we can never and will never give up on being pro-life. I think that issue can't ever change on the platform. But the gay marraige one isn't that big of a deal and they should let it go. On immigration it looks like they want to try and make some sort of change to at least grab a few million latinos more. Then hammer home they are the business friendly party that will lead to more jobs and lower taxes for all.

DenverBrit 03-21-2013 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushaholic (Post 3817712)
What Republican ideals were rejected? My theory is that Obama won because the Republicans weren't clear about their ideals. Newt Gingrich was never going to be the nominee because of his personal baggage. However, he came the closest to laying out the conservative philosophy...

Obama won because the GOP WERE clear about their 'ideals.'

They are 'Nosey Party' that prioritizes social agendas.

As long as they keep wheeling out the Santorums, Bachmanns and Palins to represent their views, they will remain a joke.

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TonyR 03-21-2013 11:10 AM

The GOPís Looming Gay Crisis

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...ng-gay-crisis/

03-21-2013 11:32 AM

I thought public masturbation was illegal, but here in the city of Denver you never know.

03-21-2013 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3818406)

I always take moral cues from Andrew Sullivan's Daily Douche. Shocking he'd say something like this.

If the GOP has a gay crisis, then the DNC has a religion crisis. Are there more gays or religious people in the US?

03-21-2013 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3816851)
Instead of accepting the fact that their policies are the problem,they think they need a better pitchman.

So how do you explain that Obama bled over 6 million votes from 2008?

houghtam 03-21-2013 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3818421)
So how do you explain that Obama bled over 6 million votes from 2008?

3.5 million.

How do you explain the GOP losing 5 of the last 6 popular votes?

Do you really believe this country is becoming MORE conservative?

LOL

Hey how was your "job at a hospital?"

:yayaya:


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