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ScottXray 03-16-2013 07:59 AM

Assume Doom Gone. what now?
 
Assuming that Doom now signs elsewhere where do the Broncos go from here?

Dooms cap hit is 4.9 mill, so that leaves us about 7 mill under. We need 4 for
rookies. So 3 million is left.
If the Broncos reach injury settlements with Mays and possibly Kuper ( rather see some renogiated contract there that retains him at a lower hit equal to his dead space) that should free up another 4-5 million.
So lets say we have 7.5 million cap available for FA.

Carlos Dansby is out there , so is Pollard. And Freeney and Abraham.

We will probably spend a high pick on a DE or OLB to try to replace doom.

LB is pretty poor draft pickings, but a pick needs to go there for future. 3rd or 4th round?

Frankly I think that Dansby may be our best choice now, at maybe 4-5 mill per, short term deal Fix the MLB position for this year and look to future draft for a true 3 down guy.

Any thoughts?

Play2win 03-16-2013 08:02 AM

Might want to play the waiting game now. We made our splash, now gear up for the draft, and we will still have some cap room for late signing/good bargains over the summer.

03-16-2013 08:06 AM

Panic, or threads about how Doom was terrible anyway....

BroncoInferno 03-16-2013 08:07 AM

The whole fax fiasco aside, we knew we might lose Doom all along. My plan would to bring in Abraham or Freeney on a one year deal to be a pass rush specialist, with Ayers the starter. Then, depending on who's available, I'd look at pass rushers in the 1st or 2nd round for the long term fix (i.e. Bjoern Werner, Demontre Moore, Datone Jones, Alex Okafor, Tank Carradine, etc). Use the new cap space to look at safeties.

03-16-2013 08:26 AM

Freeny would be too expensive as a specialist. He'll want similar money to doom, but doom is a 3 down player. I say we switch to 3-4 and try for better MLBs. Mantai imaginary gf teo would probably be available close to where we draft in the first.
That being said, I would rather we make a deal with doom.

oubronco 03-16-2013 08:27 AM

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Rohirrim 03-16-2013 09:04 AM

Seems to me like all the teams are now sitting back waiting for values to drop in the market. Broncos should probably do the same.

MABroncoFan 03-16-2013 09:06 AM

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/...r-teams/18941/

Br0nc0Buster 03-16-2013 09:28 AM

I would love if Beal could step in and gain a bigger role
Dude was a stud at OU

As far as Freeney, I dont see why he couldnt come relatively cheap
Very little interest in him now because he is old and sucks

I wouldnt be surprised if we signed him and used him in nickel downs with Ayers on rushing downs

Also this opens up the option for DE via draft
Several good prospects in the first round

With Doom's cap hit I dont think you will see much more FA action out of us except for Freeney

SonOfLe-loLang 03-16-2013 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster (Post 3815398)
I would love if Beal could step in and gain a bigger role
Dude was a stud at OU

As far as Freeney, I dont see why he couldnt come relatively cheap
Very little interest in him now because he is old and sucks

I wouldnt be surprised if we signed him and used him in nickel downs with Ayers on rushing downs

Also this opens up the option for DE via draft
Several good prospects in the first round

With Doom's cap hit I dont think you will see much more FA action out of us except for Freeney

They have room and they'll have more once they ax mays/kuper/anyone else expendable

pricejj 03-16-2013 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang (Post 3815401)
They have room and they'll have more once they ax mays/kuper/anyone else expendable

No they don't. They already have $130M in active contracts including cutting Mays/Kuper. They could add a player on a 1 year rental, but I see that as highly unlikely. They would be wise to save $7M of their rollover for 2014.


They will have to address DE in the draft. I suggest either Okafor or Montgomery.

03-16-2013 09:58 AM

I doubt they make another move until them doom situation is resolved

OBF1 03-16-2013 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottXray (Post 3815358)
Assuming that Doom now signs elsewhere where do the Broncos go from here?

Dooms cap hit is 4.9 mill, so that leaves us about 7 mill under. We need 4 for
rookies. So 3 million is left.
If the Broncos reach injury settlements with Mays and possibly Kuper ( rather see some renogiated contract there that retains him at a lower hit equal to his dead space) that should free up another 4-5 million.
So lets say we have 7.5 million cap available for FA.

Carlos Dansby is out there , so is Pollard. And Freeney and Abraham.

We will probably spend a high pick on a DE or OLB to try to replace doom.

Only if this player is BPA when we pick, Denver does not reach for players of need very often

LB is pretty poor draft pickings, but a pick needs to go there for future. 3rd or 4th round?

LB position sucks, So you want us to waste a low/middle round pick on crap???

Frankly I think that Dansby may be our best choice now, at maybe 4-5 mill per, short term deal Fix the MLB position for this year and look to future draft for a true 3 down guy.

Let me get this straight, You want to waste a 3rd-4th round pick this year.... Over pay Dansby this year AND look to the future to replace what you are recommending wasting a pick this year and 4-5 million on?
Any thoughts?


Like another poster stated, You have jumped the gun in panic, I am very glad Elway is in charge. The sky has not fallen, Doom is not gone yet as there is a chance he might still be in a Denver uniform come this month.

pricejj 03-16-2013 10:05 AM

Signing Welker (instead of Stokley) seriously decreased the Broncos flexibility.

fontaine 03-16-2013 10:23 AM

You depend on Ayers and Wolfe to take the next step.

Ayers already has developed good pass rushing moves and has a really good step.

Unless someone like Osi, or even Shaun Phillips is willing to take a very cheap deal, I say you go into the draft with an eye towards DT/DE.

ScottXray 03-16-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CBF1 (Post 3815424)
Like another poster stated, You have jumped the gun in panic, I am very glad Elway is in charge. The sky has not fallen, Doom is not gone yet as there is a chance he might still be in a Denver uniform come this month.

As stated at the start....Assuming Doom signs elsewhere.

If they can get Doom back then all this is not needed. I think it is unlikely, unless Dumervil tells his agent to "make it so".

I fully agree that we should pick best player available in the Draft ...but since there are so many good DE/DT players in the draft we probably will spend a high pick there...depends on how things fall.

Also assume that we are in win NOW mode, and the MLB in this draft iare Mehhh at best. If we sign Dansby to a 1 or two year deal we can wait for the future years for MLB . I don't know what he would cost, but 3-4 mill is probably in the ballpark.

As to taking another LB, I mean outside pass rush type ( to replace Doom). Again best player will come into play , but if we don't sign Freeney or Abraham, then we will be looking for one in the draft this year also. Doom was a 4th himself, no?

I'm as pissed as anyone at this mess, just postulating thoughts as to where the team should go/look. And I think, if there is more FA money to be spent perhaps a decent MLB is a better direction to go, if we lose doom.

Rohirrim 03-16-2013 10:59 AM

We take Jesse Williams at 28 and line up Ayers/Williams, Vickerson/Knighton and Wolfe. I'd go into battle all day long with a line like that. Both Williams and Wolfe can move around. Vickerson and Knighton are your run stuffers. And you have the added benefit of putting Von wherever you want. That would **** with some OC's mind. Who knows, Malik Jackson might turn into something as well.

SonOfLe-loLang 03-16-2013 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3815420)
No they don't. They already have $130M in active contracts including cutting Mays/Kuper. They could add a player on a 1 year rental, but I see that as highly unlikely. They would be wise to save $7M of their rollover for 2014.


They will have to address DE in the draft. I suggest either Okafor or Montgomery.

You have zero clue what you're talking about. Stop going on that website. You're like the guy who diagnoses ailments on webmd

elsid13 03-16-2013 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3815473)
We take Jesse Williams at 28 and line up Ayers/Williams, Vickerson/Knighton and Wolfe. I'd go into battle all day long with a line like that. Both Williams and Wolfe can move around. Vickerson and Knighton are your run stuffers. And you have the added benefit of putting Von wherever you want. That would **** with some OC's mind. Who knows, Malik Jackson might turn into something as well.

Williams is DT and won't be able to flex to the defense end spot. They very well could select him but it will to rotate inside with Vickerson and Knighton.

Br0nc0Buster 03-16-2013 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3815473)
We take Jesse Williams at 28 and line up Ayers/Williams, Vickerson/Knighton and Wolfe. I'd go into battle all day long with a line like that. Both Williams and Wolfe can move around. Vickerson and Knighton are your run stuffers. And you have the added benefit of putting Von wherever you want. That would **** with some OC's mind. Who knows, Malik Jackson might turn into something as well.

Williams is not worth the 28th overall pick
FO has already shown that they dont put a premium value on pure run stuffers

If we go Dlinein Rd1 they need to have some pass rush ability

03-16-2013 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottXray (Post 3815358)
Assuming that Doom now signs elsewhere where do the Broncos go from here?

Dooms cap hit is 4.9 mill, so that leaves us about 7 mill under. We need 4 for
rookies. So 3 million is left.
If the Broncos reach injury settlements with Mays and possibly Kuper ( rather see some renogiated contract there that retains him at a lower hit equal to his dead space) that should free up another 4-5 million.
So lets say we have 7.5 million cap available for FA.

Carlos Dansby is out there , so is Pollard. And Freeney and Abraham.

We will probably spend a high pick on a DE or OLB to try to replace doom.

LB is pretty poor draft pickings, but a pick needs to go there for future. 3rd or 4th round?

Frankly I think that Dansby may be our best choice now, at maybe 4-5 mill per, short term deal Fix the MLB position for this year and look to future draft for a true 3 down guy.

Any thoughts?

What's funny is that there is a $4.9 million cap hit thus they only save $7 million by cutting Doom. Isn't Doom worth $7 million. Elway ****ed this up. THE ONLY WAY THE BRONCOS COME OUT AHEAD IS IF DOOM ACCEPTED THE PAY CUT AND CAME BACK. They scerwed the pooch on this one.

Rohirrim 03-16-2013 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsid13 (Post 3815496)
Williams is DT and won't be able to flex to the defense end spot. They very well could select him but it will to rotate inside with Vickerson and Knighton.

Saban was moving Williams inside and outside his whole career at Alabama, even putting him at fullback. He played DE his junior year and NT his senior year. Wherever you put him, he takes a double team to stop on every down and was kicking ass at tackles for loss. He ran a 4.84 on his pro day, which puts him right there with Werner, speed wise.

elsid13 03-16-2013 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3815553)
Saban was moving Williams inside and outside his whole career at Alabama, even putting him at fullback. He played DE his junior year and NT his senior year. Wherever you put him, he takes a double team to stop on every down and was kicking ass at tackles for loss. He ran a 4.84 on his pro day, which puts him right there with Werner, speed wise.

I like him as player, but I don't think he the sudden edge speed to turn the corner to play DE in the NFL. Though I will admit I was surprised he had 7.69 in the 3 cone drill, which is really good for a guy his size, it a lot slower then 7.30 that Werner ran or Datone Jones's (UCLA DE) 7.32. 40 times for DL don't mean much it about the 3 cone drill and the 20 yard shuttle.

Edit: Just for comparison Von Miller ran 6.70 3 cone drill

Rohirrim 03-16-2013 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsid13 (Post 3815578)
I like him as player, but I don't think he the sudden edge speed to turn the corner to play DE in the NFL. Though I will admit I was surprised he had 7.69 in the 3 cone drill, which is really good for a guy his size, it a lot slower then 7.30 that Werner ran or Datone Jones's (UCLA DE) 7.32. 40 times for DL don't mean much it about the 3 cone drill and the 20 yard shuttle.

Edit: Just for comparison Von Miller ran 6.70 3 cone drill

Do you really think any NFL team can afford the optimum player at every position? Like I keep trying to say, Jesse is a monster. In fact, that was his nickname at Alabama. He has a non-stop motor and requires a double team on every down. I'm frankly not worried about him rushing the QB on every passing down, although he's not bad at that either. Plus, he kicked ass as a guy getting RBs in tackles for loss. What he does in the pass rush is free up people around him, wherever you put him. He drives the pocket forward. That's always a benefit. He's going to cause some lane to be open. Put Von in that lane.

baja 03-16-2013 02:38 PM

I will predict the Broncos and Doom will work something out and he will stay a Bronco. Time to get creative.


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