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SoDak Bronco 03-05-2013 05:32 AM

Sal Pal - Denver in mix for Revis trade
 
Heard on NFL Sirius XM radio that the Broncos are interested in trading for Revis in exchange for pass rusher and a high draft pick, thoughts?

Rohirrim 03-05-2013 05:37 AM

Forgive me, but I just don't value the position that highly. If I had to choose, I'd rather have a great pass rusher then a great CB.

03-05-2013 05:53 AM

I'm torn...if the pass rusher is doom, as many people have stated, I think revis would be worth more for the money. Doom is a big liability against the run, and the majority of his sacks came against the chargers picked-up-off-the-street O tackle. But I think the threat of dumervil helps miller out.

BroncoInferno 03-05-2013 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SoDak Bronco (Post 3805252)
Heard on NFL Sirius XM radio that the Broncos are interested in trading for Revis in exchange for pass rusher and a high draft pick, thoughts?

I'm assuming the bold would mean Dumervil? If so, that could make it workable from a financial/cap standpoint since Dumervil has an eight figure cap number. Then, we'd have Ayers - who looked great off the bench last season - to step into his spot. That said, I'd still rather pass. Especially if we'd have to include "a high draft pick" in addition to Dumervil. We were 13-3 and lost to the eventual champs due to horrible, one sided officiating. We don't need to overact by making a move like this. Hold steady and use the draft and 2nd/3rd tier free agents to round out the roster. Don't make a panic move in the hopes that it will be the magic elixir that will put us over the top. Those types of moves generally don't work out.

ludo21 03-05-2013 06:09 AM

yuck.

revis has been injury prone these 2 years. Love the guy when healthy, but a GREAT pass rush Dumervil for him and maybe also give up picks? No thanks!

03-05-2013 06:11 AM

**** that. Pass rusher >>> corner. I will seriously lose my **** if this happens.

Karenin 03-05-2013 06:15 AM

Get rid of Dumervil AND pick up Revis? Where do I sign up?

Eldorado 03-05-2013 06:17 AM

Ayers and a 3rd.

cousinal11 03-05-2013 06:19 AM

Interesting. I love Doom & all but...

Pass rushers aren't as rare as a corner that has an island named after him.

03-05-2013 06:25 AM

I would like to point out that it was pass rush and coverage issues that lost us the playoff game.. The pass rush didn't get home, and coverage was less than average..

The two work hand in hand..

To me, Revis is a game changer. He will completely eliminate a WR. That allows you to schematically do things different with the pass rush if need be. Doom didn't get home against the Ravens, as a result our coverage was exposed. There will be pass rushers in the draft and in FA, but there isn't a Revis Island in free agency, and a draftee would take time to develop into a shut down corner..

03-05-2013 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Eldorado (Post 3805268)
Ayers and a 3rd.

I was thinking ayers and a seventh and we get revis and Wilkerson

DBroncos4life 03-05-2013 06:36 AM

You would think if rhe Jets could afford this Sir Butt Fumble would have been cut by now.

LetsGoBroncos 03-05-2013 06:37 AM

Tough one. I have been one of the ones saying Doom is making more money than he should be so from the standpoint of trading Doom for Revis I'm for it. We could get a guy like Freeney to replace Doom for much cheaper. The part that makes me uncomfortable is giving up a high draft pick. Also, how much money does Revis want, and is he healthy?

yerner 03-05-2013 06:47 AM

it just feels like too much of an investment in one player. why not just throw that money at 3 or 4 free agents and still have the draft pick?

Drek 03-05-2013 06:47 AM

If it's Doom and our 2nd I could stomach it. Doom and our 3rd would be more like what I'd be interested in though.

I think Ayers could replace some of Doom's pass rush production given the chance and obviously would be an improvement against the run, so I can see where the FO's arithmetic adds up. If they view the gap between Doom and Ayers as less than the gap between Revis and Harris/Carter then it's all about how highly you value the pick going back.

bfoflcommish 03-05-2013 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LetsGoBroncos (Post 3805276)
Tough one. I have been one of the ones saying Doom is making more money than he should be so from the standpoint of trading Doom for Revis I'm for it. We could get a guy like Freeney to replace Doom for much cheaper. The part that makes me uncomfortable is giving up a high draft pick. Also, how much money does Revis want, and is he healthy?

BINGO... if the front office already knows we are in drivers set to maybe get freeney why not trade doom? I'd much rather have freeney and revis than doom and a 3rd

yerner 03-05-2013 07:03 AM

Just read this on a ESPN article. Doom is obviously overpaid.

"Defensive end: Elvis Dumervil
Cap difference: minus-$14m

Yes, we're telling you that Dumervil and the 12 times he got to the quarterback for a sack are overrated by that much. With a monstrous $15.6 million cap hit, this has to go down as one of the deals the Broncos got wrong years ago; they did not do a good job of judging the impact Dumervil has on the majority of his snaps. Sure, he had the 14th-highest pass rushing productivity score of all defensive ends, but eight costly penalties and some terrible run defense (his 4.8 run stop percentage was the 13th-lowest of all defensive ends) shows a player who has made a reputation on his highlight reel and not the body of his work."

TonyR 03-05-2013 07:06 AM

I suppose this is possible, but I have a hunch he's just regurgitating the unfounded rumors that are making the rounds. Most likely nothing to this. Can't really see the Broncos making this move.

Heyneck 03-05-2013 07:13 AM

We struggled for years to find a consistent pass rush. You guys want to get rid of that? We have had Champ for a long time, what has that gotten us? The coverage guys depend way more on the pass rush than the other way around. Count coverage sacks against the regular ones and tell me the difference.

Plus, has anyone around here gotten the head around that if we trade Doom and a high pick for him, we would have to sign him to a ridiculous contract. Like best defensive player type money. No way Jose. Leave that egotistical chump over by New York.

03-05-2013 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyneck (Post 3805290)
We struggled for years to find a consistent pass rush. You guys want to get rid of that? We have had Champ for a long time, what has that gotten us? The coverage guys depend way more on the pass rush than the other way around. Count coverage sacks against the regular ones and tell me the difference.

Plus, has anyone around here gotten the head around that if we trade Doom and a high pick for him, we would have to sign him to a ridiculous contract. Like best defensive player type money. No way Jose. Leave that egotistical chump over by New York.

Not Revis. And not with Von Miller.

Eldorado 03-05-2013 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim (Post 3805274)
I was thinking ayers and a seventh and we get revis and Wilkerson

Seems fair.

cousinal11 03-05-2013 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3805288)
I suppose this is possible, but I have a hunch he's just regurgitating the unfounded rumors that are making the rounds. Most likely nothing to this. Can't really see the Broncos making this move.

I think Denver would be dumb not to make this reported offer & the Jets would be dumb to do this reported offer.

Heyneck 03-05-2013 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by elibroncofan (Post 3805291)
Not Revis. And not with Von Miller.

Yeah but Von ain't going to have the same impact he had with a very competent pass rusher. A CB can be great and cover "half the field", but just like other teams did with Champ in his prime, you just throw it the other way. Plus with the evolution of the TE in the offensive schemes, you have that many other options to not challenge Revis.

Plus, what you talking about? Champ was a better corner than Revis in his prime. What did that get us? I remember way more Champ saying during those days the importance of having a consistent pass rush.

cousinal11 03-05-2013 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyneck (Post 3805300)
Yeah but Von ain't going to have the same impact he had with a very competent pass rusher. A CB can be great and cover "half the field", but just like other teams did with Champ in his prime, you just throw it the other way. Plus with the evolution of the TE in the offensive schemes, you have that many other options to not challenge Revis.

So you think our D with Ayers in for Doom & Revis in our secondary isn't netter than what we have at this point?

Inkana7 03-05-2013 07:36 AM

this will be our undoing if true


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