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Pony Boy 02-20-2013 11:25 AM

Please, No African American Nurses
 
"Please, No African American Nurses to care for [redacted] Baby per Dad's request. Thank you," read a note that was attached to the baby's clipboard.

A Michigan hospital is under fire after a lawsuit claims it fulfilled a father's request to have no black nurses look after his baby in the neonatal intensive care unit last fall.

A black nurse sued Hurley Medical Center for discrimination and violation of the state civil rights act after the nurse manager reassigned her because of the man's request for no black nurses, according to the complaint.

A hospital lawyer eventually told the staff this was illegal, but the lawsuit alleges that black nurses were intentionally not assigned to the baby for the remainder of its stay in the hospital over the next month.

So the question is, "What’s more important the rights of the Dad in the what he wants for his baby or the rights of the Nurse that was not assigned to care for the baby"?

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs...ws-health.html

Requiem 02-20-2013 11:27 AM

Sounds like Dad is a loser.

spdirty 02-20-2013 11:29 AM

That hospital is gonna lose its ass for being stupid.

peacepipe 02-20-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3799327)
Sounds like Dad is a loser.

Real big loser,regardless of what the dad wanted,the hospital violated the law accommodating him.

02-20-2013 11:57 AM

I'd had nothing but black nurses take care of that child, kiss, the baby, and bathe the baby and give the baby miniature dreadlocks and a hoodie.

baja 02-20-2013 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3799325)
"Please, No African American Nurses to care for [redacted] Baby per Dad's request. Thank you," read a note that was attached to the baby's clipboard.

A Michigan hospital is under fire after a lawsuit claims it fulfilled a father's request to have no black nurses look after his baby in the neonatal intensive care unit last fall.

A black nurse sued Hurley Medical Center for discrimination and violation of the state civil rights act after the nurse manager reassigned her because of the man's request for no black nurses, according to the complaint.

A hospital lawyer eventually told the staff this was illegal, but the lawsuit alleges that black nurses were intentionally not assigned to the baby for the remainder of its stay in the hospital over the next month.

So the question is, "What’s more important the rights of the Dad in the what he wants for his baby or the rights of the Nurse that was not assigned to care for the baby"?

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs...ws-health.html


Is this a serious question???

" I don't want those darkies using my bathroom in my Diner" Mississippi restaurant owner.

Who's rights do you think won out?

Pony Boy 02-20-2013 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3799366)
Is this a serious question???

" I don't want those darkies using my bathroom in my Diner" Mississippi restaurant owner.

Who's rights do you think won out?

Sure it's a serious question, I don't agree with the guy but should he have the right to make all decisions with regards to the care of his child?

If you go to the hospital, you have the right to pick to pick what Doctor will treat your child and you don't have to give a reason why.

Pony Boy 02-20-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spdirty (Post 3799330)
That hospital is gonna lose its ass for being stupid.

What is the stupid mistake worth in dollars? No pay was taken from the black nurse, she wasn't sent home and was only reassigned to other duties.

Should this nurse walk away from the hospital with millions of dollars so she will never have to work again?

TonyR 02-20-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3799379)
Sure it's a serious question, I don't agree with the guy but should he have the right to make all decisions with regards to the care of his child?

If you go to the hospital, you have the right to pick to pick what Doctor will treat your child and you don't have to give a reason why.

Shouldn't you be celebrating the fact that the guy got his way? He was allowed to be an ignorant, racist pig. Just how you clearly like it. So why aren't you happy?

peacepipe 02-20-2013 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3799389)
What is the stupid mistake worth in dollars? No pay was taken from the black nurse, she wasn't sent home and was only reassigned to other duties.

Should this nurse walk away from the hospital with millions of dollars so she will never have to work again?

Dollars? 50,000+ just in lawyer fees to say the least.

BTW,what makes you think she'll get millions?

Pony Boy 02-20-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3799394)
Shouldn't you be celebrating the fact that the guy got his way? He was allowed to be an ignorant, racist pig. Just how you clearly like it. So why aren't you happy?

See how you can't have a simple exchange of ideas with out name calling ...... I see you are one of those "internet tough guys". Hilarious!

Pony Boy 02-20-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3799426)
Dollars? 50,000+ just in lawyer fees to say the least.

BTW,what makes you think she'll get millions?

I didn't say she would get millions, I was referring to Spdirty’s comment that the hospital was going to loose their ass. What does lose their ass mean in a dollar amount? What's fair?

TonyR 02-20-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3799430)
See how you can't have a simple exchange of ideas with out name calling ......

The shoe didn't fit? The guy wasn't an ignorant, racist pig? You disagree? Pleae explain. Exchange some ideas with us.

TonyR 02-20-2013 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3799435)
...the hospital...

The hospital should have denied the request. They should have explained that they were an equal opportunity employer and would not remove a nurse from her/his assignment based on race. That was their policy. If the patient didn't like this policy they were free to choose a different hospital.

peacepipe 02-20-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3799435)
I didn't say she would get millions, I was referring to Spdirty’s comment that the hospital was going to loose their ass. What does lose their ass mean in a dollar amount? What's fair?

Whatever the amt is,it is going to be a lot more than the 0 amt they would've paid if they had simply told the guy no.

Pony Boy 02-20-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3799443)
The shoe didn't fit? The guy wasn't an ignorant, racist pig? You disagree? Pleae explain. Exchange some ideas with us.

I said in an earlier post I didn't agree with the guy but then you post .......
"He was allowed to be an ignorant, racist pig. Just how you clearly like it".

So the way I see it you were calling me an ignorant, racist pig" so again I say that you can't have a simple exchange of ideas without name-calling and the shoe does fit you well.

Now you need to go lay down somewhere and let your pups suck and don't bother me with your dribble.

Pony Boy 02-20-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3799445)
The hospital should have denied the request. They should have explained that they were an equal opportunity employer and would not remove a nurse from her/his assignment based on race. That was their policy. If the patient didn't like this policy they were free to choose a different hospital.

The a-hole dad wasn't the patient, if the hospital turned away the baby and something happen to the baby, well now we are talking a law suite in the millions.

02-20-2013 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3799466)
The a-hole dad wasn't the patient, if the hospital turned away the baby and something happen to the baby, well now we are talking a law suite in the millions.

Yeah, it's pretty hilarious that these guys think a hospital would be free to say "Oh yeah! Well you take your effing skinhead spawn and get the eff out!" and kick them both out on the curb.

Definitely a sticky situation. Glad it wasn't me who had to figure out what to do.

houghtam 02-20-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3799477)
Yeah, it's pretty hilarious that these guys think a hospital would be free to say "Oh yeah! Well you take your effing skinhead spawn and get the eff out!" and kick them both out on the curb.

Definitely a sticky situation. Glad it wasn't me who had to figure out what to do.

It's not a sticky situation at all if you know anything about employment law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_fi...qualifications

It's not refusal of service to say we cannot legally comply with your request. Race is not protected under BFOQ, and customer satisfaction is not a legitimate (read: legally protected) reason to comply with this request.

There are no "patient's rights" where race is concerned. This hospital is in huge trouble.

02-20-2013 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3799501)
It's not a sticky situation at all if you know anything about employment law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_fi...qualifications

It's not refusal of service to say we cannot legally comply with your request. Race is not protected under BFOQ, and customer satisfaction is not a legitimate (read: legally protected) reason to comply with this request.

There are no "patient's rights" where race is concerned. This hospital is in huge trouble.

Technically, you're right. But as a supervisor it's a tough call to send your staff into a predeterminedly ugly situation like that. They can't stop the guy from being racist, so I can see why a supervisor might err on the side of shielding the staff from it rather than bring it to full-blown confrontation. If the hospital effectively tells that story, it's hard to imagine the "damages" amounting to much. I wish the courts would force plaintiffs to just accept an apology sometimes. The world would be a better place.

Pony Boy 02-20-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3799501)
It's not a sticky situation at all if you know anything about employment law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_fi...qualifications

It's not refusal of service to say we cannot legally comply with your request. Race is not protected under BFOQ, and customer satisfaction is not a legitimate (read: legally protected) reason to comply with this request.

There are no "patient's rights" where race is concerned. This hospital is in huge trouble.

So is it enough for the hospital to fire all personnel that had any involvement with this situation and then offer the nurse an apology at an open press conference for all to see.

Or on the other hand is the only thing that will make this right is to award the nurse with a large amount of cash?

houghtam 02-20-2013 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3799505)
Technically, you're right. But as a supervisor it's a tough call to send your staff into a predeterminedly ugly situation like that. They can't stop the guy from being racist, so I can see why a supervisor might err on the side of shielding the staff from it rather than bring it to full-blown confrontation. If the hospital effectively tells that story, it's hard to imagine the "damages" amounting to much. I wish the courts would force plaintiffs to just accept an apology sometimes. The world would be a better place.

Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. At some point, the management needs to take responsibility for their employees, and if this supervisor was unaware of the law, it's on the hospital. Personally, I always made sure my supervisors were knowledgeable of all applicable laws because I know that it not only covers their ass, it covers mine and my company's as well.

What the supervisor should have done is tell the father that they were unable to comply with his request per federal law, and that he was welcome to seek treatment somewhere that might be able to follow his request. Then the supervisor should have gone to their immediate supervisor and reported the situation.

How a request like this in this day and age wouldn't cause anyone to go to their supervisor for help is beyond me.

It doesn't matter how effectively the hospital tells the story, the damages are going to be huge, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the millions. I can say that if I were in that situation, a simple "sorry we didn't know the laws" wouldn't be enough, and I have a hard time believing the courts won't find the same.

02-20-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3799509)
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. At some point, the management needs to take responsibility for their employees, and if this supervisor was unaware of the law, it's on the hospital. Personally, I always made sure my supervisors were knowledgeable of all applicable laws because I know that it not only covers their ass, it covers mine and my company's as well.

What the supervisor should have done is tell the father that they were unable to comply with his request per federal law, and that he was welcome to seek treatment somewhere that might be able to follow his request. Then the supervisor should have gone to their immediate supervisor and reported the situation.

How a request like this in this day and age wouldn't cause anyone to go to their supervisor for help is beyond me.

It doesn't matter how effectively the hospital tells the story, the damages are going to be huge, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the millions. I can say that if I were in that situation, a simple "sorry we didn't know the laws" wouldn't be enough, and I have a hard time believing the courts won't find the same.

Say what you want, but in the real world it was just a no win situation. If they sent the nurse in there with the guy and he said anything offensive, she'd be suing them for subjecting her to a known hostile working environment. The biggest shame is that people feel the need to try to cash in on these kinds of problems. It's part of life. Everyone learns from it, you move on.

houghtam 02-20-2013 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3799507)
So is it enough for the hospital to fire all personnel that had any involvement with this situation and then offer the nurse an apology at an open press conference for all to see.

Or on the other hand is the only thing that will make this right is to award the nurse with a large amount of cash?

To my knowledge, the plaintiff doesn't have a whole lot to do with the amount of damages awarded once it goes to trial, so as far as what would be enough for the courts to decide, it's not really my place to decide.

As far as a settlement goes, I wouldn't settle for anything less than:

- Formal public apology and explanation
- Disciplinary action for those involved
- Establishment of education program on applicable employment law for all employees involved
- Wages from now until retirement age
- Continued health benefits
- Accrued retirement time and benefits resulting thereof during retirement

houghtam 02-20-2013 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3799511)
Say what you want, but in the real world it was just a no win situation. If they sent the nurse in there with the guy and he said anything offensive, she'd be suing them for subjecting her to a known hostile working environment. The biggest shame is that people feel the need to try to cash in on these kinds of problems. It's part of life. Everyone learns from it, you move on.

Number one, since when is following federal law not "the real world"? How is it somehow the nurse's fault that her boss wasn't aware she couldn't discriminate?

Number two, really? The biggest shame in a situation where a supervisor discriminates based on race is that the affected nurse is likely to receive remuneration? Have you ever worked in an environment where you were the direct cause of your supervisor's dismissal? My guess is no.

Number three, it's not even a no-win situation. As a supervisor, my decision would have been based on two choices: 1) I comply with the patient and DEFINITELY break the law, or 2) I comply with the law and MAYBE the nurse gets offended. Additionally, I would have confronted the nurse and explained the situation, as well as contacted my immediate supervisor. Most times I would bet the nurse would simply recuse herself from the situation...I wouldn't force her to go in there, so doing so would be entirely her choice. The supervisor (and the hospital) were simply negligent on educating their staff and taking the appropriate action.


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