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txtebow 02-14-2013 06:06 AM

It's Cultural Deviancy NOT Guns
 
http://m.cnsnews.com/blog/walter-e-w...iancy-not-guns


There's a story told about a Paris chief of police who was called to a department store to stop a burglary in progress. Upon his arrival, he reconnoitered the situation and ordered his men to surround the entrances of the building next door. When questioned about his actions, he replied that he didn't have enough men to cover the department store's many entrances but he did have enough for the building next door. Let's see whether there are similarities between his strategy and today's gun control strategy.

Last year, Chicago had 512 homicides; Detroit had 411; Philadelphia had 331; and Baltimore had 215. Those cities are joined by other dangerous cities — such as St. Louis, Memphis, Tenn., Flint, Mich., and Camden, N.J. — and they also lead the nation in shootings, assaults, rapes and robberies. Both the populations of those cities and their crime victims are predominantly black. Each year, more than 7,000 blacks are murdered. Close to 100 percent of the time, the murderer is another black person.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, between 1976 and 2011, there were 279,384 black murder victims. Though blacks are 13 percent of the nation's population, they account for more than 50 percent of homicide victims. Nationally, the black homicide victimization rate is six times that of whites, and in some cities, it's 22 times that of whites. Coupled with being most of the nation's homicide victims, blacks are also most of the victims of violent personal crimes, such as assault and robbery. The magnitude of this tragedy can be seen in another light. According to a Tuskegee Normal and Industrial Institute study, between 1882 and 1968, 3,446 blacks were lynched at the hands of whites.

txtebow 02-14-2013 06:08 AM

the author of this story is obviously an old, out of touch Tea-partier, Klansmen who hates gays and loves GOD.......OH WAIT.....



http://m.cnsnews.com/source/walter-e-williams

Pony Boy 02-14-2013 07:05 AM

It's the elephant in room that is absolutely off limits to discuss

Requiem 02-14-2013 07:43 AM

We have a culture that embraces violence. Of course it is part of the problem.

W*GS 02-14-2013 08:49 AM

One problem with Williams' thesis:

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Punishment for criminal behavior is lax.
I guess that explains why so many black men are locked up, ex-cons, or on probation. We're being too easy on them.

orinjkrush 02-14-2013 09:25 AM

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BroncoInferno 02-14-2013 09:41 AM

"Cultural deviancy" lol. Every generation has their sanctimonious cranks who insist that society is going to hell in a handbasket and pine for what they imagine were more pristine times.

Tell us, txtebow: how far back do we need to look to find a time when society was at an ideal moral equilibrium? The 1950s? That wonderful time when blacks were prevented from voting and treated as inferiors and women had extremely limited economic opportunities? Where do you look to find Xanadu?

Rohirrim 02-14-2013 09:41 AM

The root of all evil?

The true portrait of humans...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YK7m7yBjim...al-Still-6.jpg

Think of it this way, and nothing we do will surprise you.

TonyR 02-14-2013 10:07 AM

"Culturual deviancy"? That may be part of it, but I'd put socioeconomics much higher on the list of explanations. If such a list existed. Socioeconomics is a/the primary cause of any such "cultural deviancy".

DenverBrit 02-14-2013 10:13 AM

Putting 'guns' in the hands of 'Cultural Deviants' is a real problem.

peacepipe 02-14-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno (Post 3797061)
"Cultural deviancy" lol. Every generation has their sanctimonious cranks who insist that society is going to hell in a handbasket and pine for what they imagine were more pristine times.

Tell us, txtebow: how far back do we need to look to find a time when society was at an ideal moral equilibrium? The 1950s? That wonderful time when blacks were prevented from voting and treated as inferiors and women had extremely limited economic opportunities? Where do you look to find Xanadu?

you gotta understand,for txteblow that is Xanadu.

Play2win 02-14-2013 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by orinjkrush (Post 3797052)

So all that root-stuff on the bottom... That's the INTERNET, right?

Blart 02-14-2013 11:54 AM

(Just FYI, the site you linked is funded by Exxon Mobil and a slew of aging bankers & other oil tycoons. Thought you might want to know who's paying the writers.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...esearch_Center )

The author states that "family" is the cause of crime,

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Twenty-nine percent of white children, 53 percent of Hispanics and 73 percent of black children are born to unmarried women. The absence of a husband and father from the home is a strong contributing factor to poverty, school failure, crime, drug abuse, emotional disturbance and a host of other social problems.

Which isn't a "strong contributing factor" - at least not according to statistical evidence, but it's a correlate.

Here are some other correlates of crime:

Unwanted Children
Children whose birth results from an unintended pregnancy are more likely to be delinquents or commit crimes.

Bedwetters
Nocturnal enuresis or bed wetting correlates with criminality.

Loners
Having few friends correlates positively with criminality.

Unemploymed
High frequency of changing jobs and high frequency of unemployment for a person correlate with criminality

Wealth & Education
Higher total socioeconomic status (usually measured using the three variables income (or wealth), occupational level, and years of education) correlate with less crime.

Poor Infrastructure
Poorly maintained neighborhoods correlate with higher crime rates.

Religion
High religious involvement, high importance of religion in one's life, membership in an organized religion, and orthodox religious beliefs are associated with more criminality. Areas with higher religious membership have higher crime rates.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlates_of_crime


Some of the posters in this thread point out that race (in the USA) correlates with crime. Are any of you suggesting this is a cause of crime?

Meck77 02-14-2013 11:56 AM

More people= greater of odds of aholes.




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W*GS 02-14-2013 01:02 PM

From The Economist, 9 Feb 2013.

Murder rates: Feeling the heat

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Yet gun-rights advocates counter that Chicago already has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, with little to show for it. The city of Chicago has no gun shops, banned handguns entirely until 2010 (when the ban was struck down by the Supreme Court), and now requires owners to register their guns with the police. Yet it is a trivial matter to drive the short distance to the city limits and buy a gun at one of the many shops conveniently sited there.

Evidence suggests that this is just what many people do. Gun seizures by the Chicago Police Department have been analysed by the University of Chicago. From the start of 2008 to the end of March 2012, 42% of the guns came from within the state—mostly from Cook County, in which Chicago sits. Of the 1,375 recovered guns involved in a crime within a year of purchase, 19.5% came from a single Cook County shop.

El Minion 02-14-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Meck77 (Post 3797121)
More people= greater of odds of aholes.




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Yes but thankfully falling crime (more then half!) since early 1990's is also one of them (where have you gone black criminal culture txtebow misses you :( )

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._1973-2005.jpg

Even during the great recession there was falling crime rate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/ima...EeCWYL6E-yTJeQ

TonyR 02-14-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3796980)
It's the elephant in room that is absolutely off limits to discuss

And yet here we are discussing it an you're nowhere to be found. Perhaps because some factual and theoretical data, and <gasp!> some intellectualism, have been introduced into said discussion? I imagine for you it's kind of like the deep end of the pool for a kid who can't swim, isn't it?

Tombstone RJ 02-14-2013 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverBrit (Post 3797069)
Putting 'guns' in the hands of 'Cultural Deviants' is a real problem.

Laws already protect against this right? If you are a deviant, you shouldn't be able to own a gun, right? So basically the deviants will skirt the laws or flat out break the laws anyways. Point being, you are punishing the law abiding citizens for the criminal acts of a few. The criminals don't care, they are going to get their guns or whatever else they can get their hands on to perpetrate their crimes.

Pony Boy 02-14-2013 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3797157)
And yet here we are discussing it an you're nowhere to be found. Perhaps because some factual and theoretical data, and <gasp!> some intellectualism, have been introduced into said discussion? I imagine for you it's kind of like the deep end of the pool for a kid who can't swim, isn't it?

So are you ready to discuss that there is a problem with young blacks in urban areas with possession of firearms. Are you willing to racial profile and do random stop-and-frisk on blacks? Like I said it's the elephant in the room and a p***Y like you will cry foul.

The Native Americans at Pine Ridge reservation in South Dakota realized that alcohol consumption was devastating to their population so they took it upon themselves to ban the possession and sale of any alcohol on the reservation.
Do you think the blacks will ever take that step with firearms on their own?

DenverBrit 02-14-2013 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 3797287)
Laws already protect against this right? If you are a deviant, you shouldn't be able to own a gun, right? So basically the deviants will skirt the laws or flat out break the laws anyways. Point being, you are punishing the law abiding citizens for the criminal acts of a few. The criminals don't care, they are going to get their guns or whatever else they can get their hands on to perpetrate their crimes.

A lot of individuals should be barred from guns, but they aren't. The Gun Show loophole is the obvious loophole that needs to be closed, but the gun lobby will keep fighting it.

It's a source for criminals and anyone else who can't pass a background check.

Individuals enjoy the same loophole when they re-sell a gun.

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The “Gun Show Loophole” is a gap in federal law that allows private citizens, who are not licensed firearms dealers, to sell guns without conducting background checks or keeping records. These “private sellers” often sell guns at the thousands of gun shows that take place every weekend across the country. But, private sales of guns also take place daily between individuals as people sell guns to family members, friends and strangers without any requirement that the purchaser undergo a background check.

http://gunvictimsaction.org/fact-she...rms-criminals/

W*GS 02-14-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3797294)
Do you think the blacks will ever take that step with firearms on their own?

Do you think gun owners will work to weed out the bad apple gun dealers and gun traders?

Besides, if urban blacks account for most with-gun violence, then white folk need not worry. Why do you?

W*GS 02-14-2013 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverBrit (Post 3797303)
Individuals enjoy the same loophole when they re-sell a gun.

Perhaps enforcing liability for gun sellers that don't check on buyers.

txtebow 02-14-2013 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverBrit (Post 3797069)
Putting 'guns' in the hands of 'Cultural Deviants' is a real problem.

Bam! --EXACTLY. Look at Tv shows from the 1950's -60's (Bonanza, the Rifleman) all shows that depicted violence in the form of a man pulling a trigger.....Unfortunately, and a point that some Liberals miss out on, most of the gun crimes that are committed by the 'cultural deviants' in urban america are possessed ILLEGALLY so the gun laws that are being passed in an effort to decrease gun murders in this country does not effect their ability to arm themselves for the purpose of committing violent crime....

txtebow 02-14-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3797080)
you gotta understand,for txteblow that is Xanadu.

Hardly--I've never lived in such an America and I have no interest in living in one that doesn't treat everyone as equals---but in equal opportunity comes equal responsibility and a disproportionate number of certain sub population groups comprise a disproportionate amount of prison inmates, food stamp recipients and section 8 housing recipients(cut out SS and medicare and CAUCASIANS DO NOT COMPRISE the majority of government aide recipients--that's a FALLACY of the left--SS and medicare are all programs that EVERYONE has already paid into)---and too large of a percentage of certain sub population groups continue the cycle of poverty, illiteracy and criminality with each passing generation---just look at single parenthood rates in the AA community since the 1960's government welfare programs began....black, white or blue, single parent households are bad for AMERICA's future...

DenverBrit 02-14-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3797305)
Perhaps enforcing liability for gun sellers that don't check on buyers.

I really think that each gun owner should be responsible for their weapons, in every sense.


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