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Rohirrim 02-04-2013 11:32 AM

AFC West: As It Applies to the Broncos. First Up: Chiefs
 
A team that wants to get to the playoffs consistently needs to be able to take care of its division rivals on a regular basis. The Broncos' rivals are going through some major changes this offseason. Here's a look at the first team, the Chiefs, and the effect this particular team might have on the Broncos offseason choices:

New coach: Andy Reid - Coaching tree of Bill Walsh via Mike Holmgren. WCO. Coached Eagles for 13 years. Was also, effectively, the GM since 2001. Has a pretty impressive list of coaches in his own tree: Childress, John Harbaugh, Spagnuolo, Rivera, Shurmur, Frazier... Chiefs hired John Dorsey as GM. No doubt Reid will have input, but he'll be more strictly a HC now. Dorsey says his philosophy is BPA, straight down the line. Reid brought in the lightly experienced Doug Pederson, QB coach of Eagles, as OC, which means that Reid will pretty much be running the O. DC is former Jet's LB coach, assistant coach for 13 years, and sometime DC, Bob Sutton. He brings a lot of experience to the job.

The interesting question I have about the Chiefs is, will they trade for Alex Smith, or Matt Flynn, or keep their picks and draft a QB? Or will Reid just go with Cassel? If there's one guy who knows you have to have a QB in this league, it's Andy Reid. The question is, where will he go? For those who don't know, they have the number one pick. I'm assuming Reid will stick with the WCO, since he hired Pederson. He has the running game for it already built in with Charles at RB. I also expect them to work hard to re-sign Bowe, since his strength is as a slant receiver. The only question is, where will Reid go for the QB? I won't be surprised if he takes Barkley. There are two Matt Barkley's; Matt coached by Carroll, and Matt coached by Kiffin. Reid might just think the Carroll coached version of Barkley is just right for what he wants to do in KC. I assume they'll cut Cassel for the cap room.

Projected cap space: $16 million.
Chief's draft needs: QB, CB, DT

Broncos' issue with the new Chiefs?: Linebackers.
The one aspect of the defense that the WCO is designed to exploit is coverage in the LB corps. Reid was a TE coach and loves his TEs. I won't be surprised at all if they go after Zach Ertz with their 33 pick. He's perfect for a Reid team and the position has always flourished on Reid coached teams. Moeaki is just average and who knows what happens with Kevin Boss? He's had four serious concussions.

Conclusion: To counter a Reid coached Chief's team, the Broncos have to upgrade over the middle of the defense, especially with regard to linebacker and safety pass coverage. It might not show up Reid's first year, but it will become an issue down the road.

If this thread effort doesn't get mercilessly attacked, I'll try the Chargers and Raiders. :puff:

Archer81 02-04-2013 11:41 AM

Did you mean division rivals?


:Broncos:

Rohirrim 02-04-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81 (Post 3792795)
Did you mean division rivals?


:Broncos:

Yep. Thanks.

Archer81 02-04-2013 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3792796)
Yep. Thanks.


No problem. Good write up. Denver would be better served to pick up a MLB with range. Not just for our division games, but for when we play the NE's and Baltimores of the world.

:Broncos:

Old Dude 02-04-2013 11:49 AM

TEs were a problem for Denver all year and the top teams are loaded with good ones.

BigPlayShay 02-04-2013 12:12 PM

We're screwed if the draft Leon Sandcastle

Tombstone RJ 02-04-2013 12:31 PM

My understanding is that both Dorsey and Reid will answer directly to Clark Hunt so I'm not 100% sure who has final say on drafts and FA's, etc. I'm pretty sure that all things being equal, Reid has the final say.

The thing about this coming draft is that Geno Smith has some similarities to one Donovan McNabb. Reid loved McNabb and I can see him pull the trigger on Geno Smith with the #1 pick. Geno may not be worth the #1 pick, that is, he may not be the best player available with the #1 pick but does kc really have a choice? I guess they can trade down and try to pick up a QB later but that's a pretty big gamble. They have to first find a trading partner and then hope the right QB is there when they feel confortable taking a QB.

Also, the kc fan base is going to freak out if kc goes into the draft without a QB (like Flynn or Vick) and then does not take a QB with the #1 pick. If Geno has a good combine, I think kc will be forced to draft him, even if Dorsey doesn't think he's the BPA. Again, it will be Reid's decision IMHO.

02-04-2013 12:54 PM

"but we should draft minter over ogletree !!!!!!"

Mogulseeker 02-04-2013 02:12 PM

I don't think Geno Smtih is like McNabb at all.

TheChamp24 02-04-2013 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3792787)
A team that wants to get to the playoffs consistently needs to be able to take care of its division rivals on a regular basis. The Broncos' rivals are going through some major changes this offseason. Here's a look at the first team, the Chiefs, and the effect this particular team might have on the Broncos offseason choices:

New coach: Andy Reid - Coaching tree of Bill Walsh via Mike Holmgren. WCO. Coached Eagles for 13 years. Was also, effectively, the GM since 2001. Has a pretty impressive list of coaches in his own tree: Childress, John Harbaugh, Spagnuolo, Rivera, Shurmur, Frazier... Chiefs hired John Dorsey as GM. No doubt Reid will have input, but he'll be more strictly a HC now. Dorsey says his philosophy is BPA, straight down the line. Reid brought in the lightly experienced Doug Pederson, QB coach of Eagles, as OC, which means that Reid will pretty much be running the O. DC is former Jet's LB coach, assistant coach for 13 years, and sometime DC, Bob Sutton. He brings a lot of experience to the job.

The interesting question I have about the Chiefs is, will they trade for Alex Smith, or Matt Flynn, or keep their picks and draft a QB? Or will Reid just go with Cassel? If there's one guy who knows you have to have a QB in this league, it's Andy Reid. The question is, where will he go? For those who don't know, they have the number one pick. I'm assuming Reid will stick with the WCO, since he hired Pederson. He has the running game for it already built in with Charles at RB. I also expect them to work hard to re-sign Bowe, since his strength is as a slant receiver. The only question is, where will Reid go for the QB? I won't be surprised if he takes Barkley. There are two Matt Barkley's; Matt coached by Carroll, and Matt coached by Kiffin. Reid might just think the Carroll coached version of Barkley is just right for what he wants to do in KC. I assume they'll cut Cassel for the cap room.

Projected cap space: $16 million.
Chief's draft needs: QB, CB, DT

Broncos' issue with the new Chiefs?: Linebackers.
The one aspect of the defense that the WCO is designed to exploit is coverage in the LB corps. Reid was a TE coach and loves his TEs. I won't be surprised at all if they go after Zach Ertz with their 33 pick. He's perfect for a Reid team and the position has always flourished on Reid coached teams. Moeaki is just average and who knows what happens with Kevin Boss? He's had four serious concussions.

Conclusion: To counter a Reid coached Chief's team, the Broncos have to upgrade over the middle of the defense, especially with regard to linebacker and safety pass coverage. It might not show up Reid's first year, but it will become an issue down the road.

If this thread effort doesn't get mercilessly attacked, I'll try the Chargers and Raiders. :puff:

1. Matt Barkley is NOT going #1 overall, and the Chiefs will be lynched if they don't draft a QB. Trade for an average Alex Smith/Matt Flynn? That won't fly. Geno Smith will almost certainly be the pick.
2. I have doubts they will resign Bowe to be honest, or if he will even want to stay there. From my understanding they have a couple free agents that could be franchised, and Bowe won't get that.

ScottXray 02-05-2013 08:48 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if Reid trades with Seattle for Flynn.
Something allong the lines of KCs #2 for Flynn. That or SF's Smith. Smith is an established QB, Flynn not so much. I don't think KC gives up their #1 for either, but a 2 solves their QB problem. It should happen before the draft though.

phibacka31 02-05-2013 08:58 AM

I'm assuming KC trades for a QB and drafts whoever they believe is BPA #1 overall. Nice THREAD!:strong:

MagicHef 02-05-2013 08:59 AM

KC will take Geno at #1.

It would be awesome if they didn't though. Geno could actually improve their team. Another DL or replacing a good LT with their #1 would certainly be preferable to me.

ludo21 02-05-2013 09:54 AM

right now it is impossible to tell who they take #1... I also like Geno Smith if they take QB..but I can also see them taking their chances on a vet QB like a Smith or Flynn

Going to be interesting to see how the Chiefs run things here on forward with the new regime

Bob's your Information Minister 02-05-2013 01:32 PM

Kudos for a very accurately written OP

Bob's your Information Minister 02-05-2013 01:34 PM

DE is also a big need for the Chiefs. We have absolutely zero guys who can play one-gap DE in the 3-4.

MagicHef 02-05-2013 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister (Post 3793387)
DE is also a big need for the Chiefs. We have absolutely zero guys who can play one-gap DE in the 3-4.

ROFL!

02-05-2013 02:57 PM

I was thinking yesterday about how weak the AFC West has been for such a long time. We were the last Super Bowl winners from the AFC west in '99. Every other conference has had a team win in that span of time (NE, IND, Pit, Balt, etc) and we haven't had anyone represent the west in the Super Bowl since the raiders in 02. It's a shame that the broncs were so incredibly average or bad over that span of time that they weren't able to take advantage of a decade of easy pickings.

loborugger 02-05-2013 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elibroncofan (Post 3793463)
I was thinking yesterday about how weak the AFC West has been for such a long time. We were the last Super Bowl winners from the AFC west in '99. Every other conference has had a team win in that span of time (NE, IND, Pit, Balt, etc) and we haven't had anyone represent the west in the Super Bowl since the raiders in 02. It's a shame that the broncs were so incredibly average or bad over that span of time that they weren't able to take advantage of a decade of easy pickings.

The Chuggers blew their chance to win a SB in the last decade. They coulda carried the torch for the Div but instead blew it.

Back on target of the OP.

Andy Reid is a good coach. His biggest weakness as it relates to KC that I see is that he is an almost phobia like thing with running the ball. Dude just will not run. Meanwhile, look at KC. They have Charles and a pretty solid running O Line. Meanwhile they got garbage in the passing game. Either they need to seriously upgrade their passing attack this off season or Reid needs to adjust his game plan. I assume that KC management considered this before hiring him? Either way, the Broncos could see a drastically different KC offense line next season.

boltaneer 02-05-2013 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loborugger (Post 3793570)
The Chuggers blew their chance to win a SB in the last decade. They coulda carried the torch for the Div but instead blew it.

Back on target of the OP.

Andy Reid is a good coach. His biggest weakness as it relates to KC that I see is that he is an almost phobia like thing with running the ball. Dude just will not run. Meanwhile, look at KC. They have Charles and a pretty solid running O Line. Meanwhile they got garbage in the passing game. Either they need to seriously upgrade their passing attack this off season or Reid needs to adjust his game plan. I assume that KC management considered this before hiring him? Either way, the Broncos could see a drastically different KC offense line next season.

Yeah, Reid is a very strange fit in KC right now based on their offensive personnel. It will be interesting to see how much he is willing to change. So far he doesn't want to give up calling plays.

While he may just need a change of scenery to get going again, I'm so glad the Chargers didn't try to go after him.

02-05-2013 07:46 PM

Reid doesn't run a lot, but he does use his RBs extensively. Brian Westbrook, LeSean McCoy, and Bryce Brown all have had success and were fed the ball plenty in Reid's O. I think the addition of Reid will help Charles. He's a good receiving back who is better in space--he'll fit very well in Reid's offense. Yet another reason to upgrade at Mike.


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