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Rohirrim 01-25-2013 09:09 AM

GOP Can't Win Honestly; Time to Cheat
 
But here’s another way you might not have heard: Some Republicans are looking to change the Electoral College system in battleground states that Democrats have won in the last two cycles. As the Washington Post reports, Republicans in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia -- all controlled at the state level (in some form or fashion) by the GOP -- have proposed awarding their Electoral College votes by congressional district instead of the winner-take-all approach used by every state except for two (Maine and Nebraska). “No state is moving quicker than Virginia, where state senators are likely to vote on the plan as soon as next week,” the Post says.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...the-party?lite

I guess the Republicans haven't picked up on the concept of a democracy, where sometimes you lose and have to respond to the will of the people and change your message, and methods, to win elections. The Republicans are just going to bypass all that "democracy" crap and simply figure out a way to steal what they want (just like they control the House not because they won it fair and square in elections, but because they gerrymandered the **** out the country so that nobody else has a chance). Oh, they also refuse to alter the filibuster rules in the Senate.

Why bother even holding elections?

01-25-2013 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3788594)
But here’s another way you might not have heard: Some Republicans are looking to change the Electoral College system in battleground states that Democrats have won in the last two cycles. As the Washington Post reports, Republicans in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia -- all controlled at the state level (in some form or fashion) by the GOP -- have proposed awarding their Electoral College votes by congressional district instead of the winner-take-all approach used by every state except for two (Maine and Nebraska). “No state is moving quicker than Virginia, where state senators are likely to vote on the plan as soon as next week,” the Post says.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...the-party?lite

I guess the Republicans haven't picked up on the concept of a democracy, where sometimes you lose and have to respond to the will of the people and change your message, and methods, to win elections. The Republicans are just going to bypass all that "democracy" crap and simply figure out a way to steal what they want (just like they control the House not because they won it fair and square in elections, but because they gerrymandered the **** out the country so that nobody else has a chance). Oh, they also refuse to alter the filibuster rules in the Senate.

Why bother even holding elections?

So whether Republicans try to change rules in one case or refuse to alter existing rules in another, they're "cheating" either way.

Who knew? LOL

cutthemdown 01-25-2013 09:26 AM

If it's illegal or unconstitutional the courts will take care of it. If not then its just political gamesmanship which is only cheating when your on the other side of it.

Oh and Obama just got smacked down by the federal appeals courts. His so called recess appointments bypassing Senate confirmation have been ruled unconstitutional. So does that make him a cheater?

Rohirrim 01-25-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3788599)
So whether Republicans try to change rules in one case or refuse to alter existing rules in another, they're "cheating" either way.

Who knew? LOL

Both have the same effect: Giving a minority the power to win what they did not earn and both ignoring the will of the people.

Pony Boy 01-25-2013 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3788594)
[I]I guess the Republicans haven't picked up on the concept of a democracy, where sometimes you lose and have to respond to the will of the people and change your message, and methods, to win elections. The Republicans are just going to bypass all that "democracy" crap and simply figure out a way to steal what they want (just like they control the House not because they won it fair and square in elections, but because they gerrymandered the **** out the country so that nobody else has a chance). Oh, they also refuse to alter the filibuster rules in the Senate.

Why bother even holding elections?

When did we become a democracy? I think the original framers of the Constitution intended this contry to be a Republic?

01-25-2013 09:29 AM

No reason to change the message or move to a move Libertarian flavor in the former party of small Government.... to many reasons keep doing what they've been doing. Liberal Media Bias, Liberally Biased Public Education, Liberal Brainwashing Universities, Indonctrination of the "Takers"..... the list goes on and on, its the excuses and accusations that keep the Republicans losing elections.... Its to bad, they continue to lose public support and will back themselves into a corner... sad to see, from a former Republican voter.

cutthemdown 01-25-2013 09:37 AM

I hate the winner take all electoral college anyways. IMO its BS. The 30-40% of calif who make most of the money in this state over ruled by the takers and welfare queens.

CA so ****ed up now. Brown raised taxes so high on millionaires they are leaving the state in droves. Even Phil Mickelson saying he is out of here. It would be smart to change it IMO.

01-25-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3788613)
I hate the winner take all electoral college anyways. IMO its BS. The 30-40% of calif who make most of the money in this state over ruled by the takers and welfare queens.

CA so ****ed up now. Brown raised taxes so high on millionaires they are leaving the state in droves. Even Phil Mickelson saying he is out of here. It would be smart to change it IMO.

Its great- Alot of Californians move to Denver, real estate prices go up and my properties make more money.

Rohirrim 01-25-2013 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3788613)
I hate the winner take all electoral college anyways. IMO its BS. The 30-40% of calif who make most of the money in this state over ruled by the takers and welfare queens.

CA so ****ed up now. Brown raised taxes so high on millionaires they are leaving the state in droves. Even Phil Mickelson saying he is out of here. It would be smart to change it IMO.

Phil Mickelson makes $50 million a year chasing a little white ball around a park. He should get down on his knees in gratitude every day instead of whining like a selfish little b****.

01-25-2013 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3788617)
Phil Mickelson makes $50 million a year chasing a little white ball around a park. He should get down on his knees in gratitude every day instead of whining like a selfish little b****.

yeah, but he has to feed his family ::)

Fedaykin 01-25-2013 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3788604)
When did we become a democracy? I think the original framers of the Constitution intended this contry to be a Republic?

Yep, a republic in which the framing document specifies that the chief executive is elected not by the people, but by the states, hence the concept of each state casting all or nothing votes.

W*GS 01-25-2013 10:17 AM

Didja also see how the GOP in Virginia redrew the state senate districts there to make them more favorable to the GOP?

More dirty tricks ****.

peacepipe 01-25-2013 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3788601)
If it's illegal or unconstitutional the courts will take care of it. If not then its just political gamesmanship which is only cheating when your on the other side of it.

Oh and Obama just got smacked down by the federal appeals courts. His so called recess appointments bypassing Senate confirmation have been ruled unconstitutional. So does that make him a cheater?

There were some fed courts that ruled against obamacare & how did that turn out.
Rigging an election where the minority is deciding the end result is wrong.

Arkie 01-25-2013 10:42 AM

All electoral votes should be awarded to districts to more accurately reflect the will of the people.

DenverBrit 01-25-2013 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pony Boy (Post 3788604)
When did we become a democracy? I think the original framers of the Constitution intended this contry to be a Republic?

They did, but like many forms of government, it has 'evolved' into something else.

A Representative Democracy, a Democratic Republic? Republic has been used by many countries, and not necessarily accurately.

People's Republic of China, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and the Republic of Texas, Dominican Republic, Kyrgyz Republic, Banana Republic, The Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Whatever the US has morphed into, it's election process needs an overhaul, as do both houses.

The system is 'broken.'

peacepipe 01-25-2013 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Arkie (Post 3788654)
All electoral votes should be awarded to districts to more accurately reflect the will of the people.

BS,will of the people is decided by the majority,not by a minority simply because they are more spread out.

01-25-2013 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3788602)
Both have the same effect: Giving a minority the power to win what they did not earn and both ignoring the will of the people.

Funny that you've never called it "cheating" in Red Nebraska. But some other reliably blue states start looking into it and now it's a crime against humanity.

I'm not a fan of it myself, but it's a State thing. To each his own.

01-25-2013 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3788617)
Phil Mickelson makes $50 million a year chasing a little white ball around a park. He should get down on his knees in gratitude every day instead of whining like a selfish little b****.

On his knees before his Government. Just like Gaia intended. AMIRITE? :)

Fedaykin 01-25-2013 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Arkie (Post 3788654)
All electoral votes should be awarded to districts to more accurately reflect the will of the people.

So, ignore the intent of the founders?

El Minion 01-25-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by B-Large (Post 3788619)
yeah, but he has to feed his family ::)

Latrell "I have a family to feed" Sprewell feels Phil Mickelson pain.

http://losthatsportsblog.com/wp-cont...1/sprewell.jpg

01-25-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3788661)
BS,will of the people is decided by the majority,not by a minority simply because they are more spread out.

Do you know why we have both a Senate and House of Representatives?

DenverBrit 01-25-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Fedaykin (Post 3788670)
So, ignore the intent of the founders?

It's a selective process.

'Ignoring' works for 'separation of church and state,' but it is by the book for the second amendment.

Obushma 01-25-2013 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Fedaykin (Post 3788670)
So, ignore the intent of the founders?

No, i'm sure their intent was to drop bombs on women and children in the Middle East. Oh, they loved the idea of social security, medicare and medicaid as well. They would have definitely approved of NDAA as well, "guilty until proven innocent", the famous words of Washington.

Hilarious!

cutthemdown 01-25-2013 12:01 PM

Do youthink gerrymandering to maximize votes is cheating?

Pony Boy 01-25-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3788661)
BS,will of the people is decided by the majority,not by a minority simply because they are more spread out.

In a pure democracy a 51% majority would have total control of the 49% minority. This is why the original framers of the constitution were very careful to define our form of government as a republic, were the minority was still protected by the rule of law. The Constitution does not provide for national ballot initiatives or referendums to be decided by popular vote but are left to the wisdom of our elected representatives. This is where Obama is off base when he says, "the people have spoken" or given him a mandate to carry out his policies. The president must work within the framework of the constitution and through the elected representatives of congress.


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