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Taco John 01-15-2013 12:37 AM

Pereira defends officiating in Denver/Balt upset
 
"I'm upset by the perception of how some fans thought the officiating was bad in this game."

"I have a good idea why so many people felt that way about the officials. Because the announcers weren't always in agreement with what was ruled on the field. Which doesn't necessarily mean that the officials were wrong."


"Two plays I want to use to illustrate my point were interpreted differently by the announcing crew, which I'm sure swayed public perception. But in my opinion, these calls made by referee Bill Vinovich and his crew were correct."


More at the link:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/r...broncos-011213

enjolras 01-15-2013 12:42 AM

I'm glad that shill managed to ignore a number of impactful calls.

Archer81 01-15-2013 01:02 AM

Yes. I'm sure the FOUR missed PI calls on Baltimore were in one of the multiverses a good thing. Or the PI AND legwhip on Thomas.

Whatever. Gotta give Sugar another ring.

:Broncos:

Mile High 81 01-15-2013 01:05 AM

The Problems are not the calls. you always can all it one way or the other way. but you must have a line. and these fxxx clowns did not have one.

you can call Pass int on carter but when you do it You absolutley have to call an Pass int on decker for the pick six.

you can call holding on kuper on the run play but when you do stuff like this you absolutley have to call holding on the ravens Tackels for mutiple holds on doom and von in the first half.

SonOfLe-loLang 01-15-2013 01:09 AM

Yeah I didn't really give a **** about the two calls he mentioned, though I'm not sure why Brady's is a tuck rule call and mannings wasn't. Dumb judgment call. The ruinous calls were the PIs, the lack of PI on deck, and the kuper hold. Absurd.

Archer81 01-15-2013 01:11 AM

Should have posted a disclaimer.

Denver played like ****, had lousy playcalling and still had a lead with a minute to go in the game.

But the calls/non calls. You can admit a mistake was made, NFL. Its not like it will change the outcome.

:Broncos:

BowlenBall 01-15-2013 01:14 AM

We didn't lose the game because of the refs.

That being said, the officiating was truly atrocious, and the two 3rd-down calls against us late in the game (a bizarre interference call on Champ, then the Ravens being awarded a catch when the ball was very clearly SPINNING AROUND in his hands and the HITTING THE GROUND) certainly affected the final outcome.

misturanderson 01-15-2013 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High 81 (Post 3781920)
The Problems are not the calls. you always can all it one way or the other way. but you must have a line. and these fxxx clowns did not have one.

you can call Pass int on carter but when you do it You absolutley have to call an Pass int on decker for the pick six.

you can call holding on kuper on the run play but when you do stuff like this you absolutley have to call holding on the ravens Tackels for mutiple holds on doom and von in the first half.

This is exactly where the issue is with the refereeing of this game.

I also have a major issue with the quote: "The ball hit the ground, but in order for the pass to be ruled incomplete, Boldin would have literally had to lose possession of the ball. Boldin's right hand stayed on the ball at all times."

The problem I have with this call is that it has gone against us 3 times this year. Twice in favor of the other team's offense and once against a Decker completion that was overturned by replay. The first time I saw a review of this type of catch (can't remember the specific game, but remember the call vividly), Decker clearly had possession of the ball before it hit the ground, the ball DID NOT MOVE as it hit the ground and he maintained the same hold on the ball all the way through the catch. It was then OVERTURNED from the completed catch called on the field.

Twice since that game the same rule has been interpreted completely differently to allow far more questionable passes to be upheld for Denver's opponent. Maybe it was just a replacement vs. real official thing, but it still pisses me off because of the lack of consistency.

Ratboy 01-15-2013 03:55 AM

I just went back and watched that 3rd and 4 in OT when they threw a flag on Champ Bailey (incomplete pass intended for Torrey Smith).

That was an awful call, Bailey never touched him. Maybe it didn't change anything at the end, but who knows at that point.

Those refs should not be in the NFL.

Beantown Bronco 01-15-2013 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BowlenBall (Post 3781924)
We didn't lose the game because of the refs.

That being said, the officiating was truly atrocious, and the two 3rd-down calls against us late in the game (a bizarre interference call on Champ, then the Ravens being awarded a catch when the ball was very clearly SPINNING AROUND in his hands and the HITTING THE GROUND) certainly affected the final outcome.

So "we didn't lose the game because of the refs", yet the refs "certainly affected the final outcome"? By definition, it's impossible for both of those statements to be true.

Blueflame 01-15-2013 05:27 AM

Note to Pereira: if there's enough controversy over officiating of a given game for you to feel you have to publicly "defend" the officials... just maybe a problem might exist. We fans aren't blind or stupid; we know what we saw and it doesn't work to piss down our leg and tell us it's raining.

go_broncos 01-15-2013 05:49 AM

What a joker Pereira is...
Out of 4 games, we got the worst officiating crew..

TheReverend 01-15-2013 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco (Post 3781941)
So "we didn't lose the game because of the refs", yet the refs "certainly affected the final outcome"? By definition, it's impossible for both of those statements to be true.

I think he means that it's not the only reason we lost the game. Champ, Moore, Fox, Manning, refs, "all world" pass rush tandem, etc. They ALL worked as a team to lose this one.

TonyR 01-15-2013 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High 81 (Post 3781920)
you can call Pass int on carter but when you do it You absolutley have to call an Pass int on decker for the pick six.

Agree, and the PI on the Decker pick-6 play was far more clear of an infraction than whatever they called on Carter (or Champ later in the game).

WolfpackGuy 01-15-2013 06:48 AM

The "catch" by Boldin and "penalty" on Bailey (both on third down) cost the Broncos AT LEAST 30 yards of field position early in OT.

Yeah, the Broncos screwed the pooch on their own, but you have to wonder why so many people have brought up the dubious officiating.

jmz313 01-15-2013 06:56 AM

Terrible Officiating against them and the Broncos still just barely lost the game cause of their abundance of mistakes. Any of those calls could of changed the outcome of that game. As could just one less Bronco mistake.

Tough way to head into a 7 month lay off. yes, Pereira is nuts if he thinks it was a well called game.

DomCasual 01-15-2013 07:01 AM

Nothing good can come of me reading this article. The scab must be allowed to heal. I'm like a highly-sensitive mental patient right now.

TheElusiveKyleOrton 01-15-2013 07:02 AM

Vinovich, who had been out of football for 6 years prior to 2012, came back as a replacement official. He was then kept on, managed to officiate the most-flagged game of the year, and then work a Divisional Playoff game. Prior to this divisional playoff game, Vinovich had officiated two (2) playoff games: a 2003 divisional game and a 2006 wild card game.

But he was assigned a divisional game in 2012 after being out of the league for 6 years.

Someone explain to me how that happens.

yerner 01-15-2013 07:05 AM

It sounds like being a sore loser to say it, but those officials kept Baltimore in the game. It was like watching the keystone cops.

TheElusiveKyleOrton 01-15-2013 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yerner (Post 3781975)
It sounds like being a sore loser to say it, but those officials kept Baltimore in the game. It was like watching the keystone cops.

It's worse than keeping Baltimore in the game.

They handed the ****birds at least 7 points. 14 if you count the extended drive in the first quarter on the bull**** Carter PI.

TheReverend 01-15-2013 07:35 AM

Pereira's a ****ing b**** and always has been.

TheReverend 01-15-2013 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheElusiveKyleOrton (Post 3781997)
It's worse than keeping Baltimore in the game.

They handed the ****birds at least 7 points. 14 if you count the extended drive in the first quarter on the bull**** Carter PI.

They scored off the tuck rule fumble too, so 14 or 21 depending on how you count it.

TheElusiveKyleOrton 01-15-2013 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReverend (Post 3782001)
They scored off the tuck rule fumble too, so 14 or 21 depending on how you count it.

True.

I think the biggest call was that PI on Carter. That changed the entire complexion of the game. Think of it: if they don't extend that drive, they're punting from the 16 or so... Giving us the ball with a chance to go up 14-0 and a shortish field.

I'd love to know the thought process of whomever decided to put an inexperienced crew led by a replacement ref on an important, high pressure playoff game. I don't think the game was fixed; I think the game was poorly officiated.

gunns 01-15-2013 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang (Post 3781921)
Yeah I didn't really give a **** about the two calls he mentioned, though I'm not sure why Brady's is a tuck rule call and mannings wasn't. Dumb judgment call. The ruinous calls were the PIs, the lack of PI on deck, and the kuper hold. Absurd.

I was wondering about the "Brady" tuck rule too. They said it was a matter of Peyton bringing it all the way back to his body and Brady's supposedly was still bringing it back to his body. So I looked up some of the videos of Brady's. Funny couldn't find any that were in slow motion. It appears very similar and I find it hard to believe that the refs can see a matter of inches from a body. Does Pereria wonder why the announcers were countering the calls, even after seeing them in slow motion?

BroncoInferno 01-15-2013 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReverend (Post 3782001)
They scored off the tuck rule fumble too, so 14 or 21 depending on how you count it.

I'm less irate about the the tuck rule deal simply on the principle that I think the tuck rule is retarded. BUT, if you are going to have that retarded rule on the books, I can't for the life of me see how that play was not a textbook example. It's almost a mirror image of the Brady play.


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