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01-08-2013 12:12 PM

Broncos $18 million under next year's cap
 
Carryover rules impact cap strategy

The Miami Dolphins have $35.8 million, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers $31.3 million, the Jacksonville Jaguars $22.1 million, the Buffalo Bills $20.6 million and the Tennessee Titans $19.4 million.

On the negative side, the New York Jets are $19.4 million over the cap. The Dallas Cowboys are $18.2 million over, the New Orleans Saints $14.7 million over and the Carolina Panthers $11.8 million over.


For chart and list of all teams cap numbers: http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012...t-cap-strategy

01-08-2013 12:13 PM

Great news for Broncos, they need to stay away from expensive FA, draft wisely and start trying to re-sign their own players.

I imagine DJ, Mayes and Porter will be gone creating more cap space.

01-08-2013 12:15 PM

Where's Lonestar??? There's almost that $20 million that I mentioned in the draft forum.

01-08-2013 12:30 PM

would love to see them use some money to sign Welker this offseason. The offense lacks quickness at the receiver position. Stokely has been solid but he'll be 37 next season. A Manning to welker connection would be tough to stop, hopefully he can be acquired for a decent price.

Hercules Rockefeller 01-08-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus (Post 3774250)
Great news for Broncos, they need to stay away from expensive FA, draft wisely and start trying to re-sign their own players.

I imagine DJ, Mayes and Porter will be gone creating more cap space.

Porter is a UFA, he's not being counted as it is.

lonestar 01-08-2013 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bmore Manning (Post 3774251)
Where's Lonestar??? There's almost that $20 million that I mentioned in the draft forum.

I'm here and frankly I stand by what I have said all along, there maybe lots of money under the cap but Pat has a budget.

Where do you think the $11,500,000.00 carry over come from?

Yep this years salary cap, that was not spent.

I have no reason to think Pat will allow John to go mikey on him and spend every dime.

I also beleive that as states before those three money hogs will be cut. Or restructured for a lot less

ZONA 01-08-2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus (Post 3774250)
Great news for Broncos, they need to stay away from expensive FA, draft wisely and start trying to re-sign their own players.

I imagine DJ, Mayes and Porter will be gone creating more cap space.

Yes. As well as drafting good, I like how our player development has come along. That plays such a huge part in this. Billycheat is one of the best at this. Drafting good players with higher potential is key but if you're not improving those players once they get to your team, they won't turn out to be much more then the great college players they were when drafted. I see alot of players on this team that have improved just over the 2 years Fox and Elway have been here. So player development is just as critical as drafting well.

BroncoMan4ever 01-08-2013 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus (Post 3774250)
Great news for Broncos, they need to stay away from expensive FA, draft wisely and start trying to re-sign their own players.

I imagine DJ, Mayes and Porter will be gone creating more cap space.

That is what I am loving about the Elway regime. He brings in solid free agents on short deals for low money to use as stop gaps while a drafted player develops. Aside from Peyton every deal is extremely manageable. Even in a win now situation, Elway is putting together a team that will be competitive for a long time even after Peyton is gone

socalorado 01-08-2013 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elibroncofan (Post 3774263)
would love to see them use some money to sign Welker this offseason. The offense lacks quickness at the receiver position. Stokely has been solid but he'll be 37 next season. A Manning to welker connection would be tough to stop, hopefully he can be acquired for a decent price.

Younger and just as good. And is also an UFA.
http://lesterslegends.com/wp-content...y-Amendola.jpg

lonestar 01-08-2013 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller (Post 3774264)
Porter is a UFA, he's not being counted as it is.

Iirc we only have some 35 players under contract for next year.

A lot of that money will be required to finish out the team. As well as again IIRC about 7 million will be needed on rookie contracts both for the coming year as well as the prorated portion of any signing bonuses.

So that whooping 18 mil will,soon be gone.

Mountain Bronco 01-08-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar (Post 3774281)
Iirc we only have some 35 players under contract for next year.

A lot of that money will be required to finish out the team. As well as again IIRC about 7 million will be needed on rookie contracts both for the coming year as well as the prorated portion of any signing bonuses.

So that whooping 18 mil will,soon be gone.

Why are you so consistently negative regarding the Broncos. Enjoy the ride dude.

gyldenlove 01-08-2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by socalorado (Post 3774280)
Younger and just as good. And is also an UFA.
http://lesterslegends.com/wp-content...y-Amendola.jpg

He will be franchise tagged, he is the only thing that offense has going for it.

01-08-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountain Bronco (Post 3774287)
Why are you so consistently negative regarding the Broncos. Enjoy the ride dude.

Hilarious! hes retarded just skip over his posts

bronco militia 01-08-2013 12:58 PM

so bowlen is still broke?

bpc 01-08-2013 01:01 PM

It's a great situation for us. We can be choosy on adding a starter or two in FA that will want to make a championship run w/ Peyton Manning. I don't think we need to blow out the 18 million but take care of our own, look for some guys on the cheap that will contribute at positions like WR, TE, OL and DT. I think that I would buy Glenn Dorsey and give him a chance to resurrect his career playing in a 4-3. That would be a prudent pickup IMO.

BroncoMan4ever 01-08-2013 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar (Post 3774281)
Iirc we only have some 35 players under contract for next year.

A lot of that money will be required to finish out the team. As well as again IIRC about 7 million will be needed on rookie contracts both for the coming year as well as the prorated portion of any signing bonuses.

So that whooping 18 mil will,soon be gone.

That 18 million will also go up. Expect restructured deals and releases of at least a few guys. And with Elway's way of building the team, I'd wager we get through free agency, the draft and re-sign a few of our guys and have at least 5 million in cap space

BroncoInferno 01-08-2013 01:01 PM

Neither Welker nor Amendola are signing with Denver to be the #3 WR behind Thomas and Decker when they can be a #1 or at worst #2 somewhere else.

01-08-2013 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever (Post 3774279)
Aside from Peyton every deal is extremely manageable.

All teams have committed a sizeable chunk of their cap space towards compensating the quarterback.

Critics rip the Peyton contract all the time, but Denver paid market value for a four-time MVP. That's the going rate. I think they got a heck of a deal, too. He's worth every penny they are paying him.

After Peyton at $18 million, Sam Bradford (15.595 million), Philip Rivers ($15.310 million) and Michael Vick ($13.9 million) are the No. 2-4 highest paid QBs in terms of 2012 cap hits.

Bronco Yoda 01-08-2013 01:17 PM

Raiders 4.5mil in the hole already... bwahahaaaaa

Doggcow 01-08-2013 01:18 PM

I would be cool with spending money on Vet Offensive players and using all our draft picks on Defensive players to build for "After Manning"

Kaylore 01-08-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar (Post 3774281)
Iirc we only have some 35 players under contract for next year.

A lot of that money will be required to finish out the team. As well as again IIRC about 7 million will be needed on rookie contracts both for the coming year as well as the prorated portion of any signing bonuses.

So that whooping 18 mil will,soon be gone.

No. That's prorated and doesn't count against it as one lump sum. There are some free agents, but none are terribly expensive. Hopefully we can use some money to upgrade. With the team the way it is, a lot of older free agents looking for a ring are going to be willing to come here on the cheap.

NFLBRONCO 01-08-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Doggcow (Post 3774313)
I would be cool with spending money on Vet Offensive players and using all our draft picks on Defensive players to build for "After Manning"

Yep agree good idea

01-08-2013 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno (Post 3774298)
Neither Welker nor Amendola are signing with Denver to be the #3 WR behind Thomas and Decker when they can be a #1 or at worst #2 somewhere else.

I think welker would rather be a complimentary part of a Super Bowl caliber offense (like he has been the past few years) than a number one receiver on a lousy team. The bigger concern is whether the broncos could afford him when other teams are offering welker number one money. Especially with decker's contract up soon (this offseason?)

I believe Percy harvin is a free agent this offseason too, but he would be even more expensive. Maybe tavon Austin will be available at the end of the first round

Binkythefrog 01-08-2013 01:49 PM

I'd rather the money be spent elsewhere than a 3rd slot receiver. Most teams don't have high quality nickel backs and with a team's two best CB's usually lined up against Thomas and Decker I think even an average slot receiver could get big yards with Manning.

I think the productivity difference of a slot receiver getting little money (Broncos version of Anthony Gonzales/Austin Collie) vs. a star is low especially in a Manning/Brady offense. It's why I don't think the Patriots value Welker a lot and are willing to let him go because they feel they should use their money for bigger productivity gains per dollar at other positions. They have Brady - who will more than compensate for a slight reduction in quickness at the slot receiver position with good line calls and accurate throws. Put Welker vs Stokely with a quarterback like say Blaine Gabbert - and I doubt you see much difference in production - both would have terrible numbers. (Welker is making 9.7 M this year - Stokely 1M). Now I think the Patriots signed Welker to a big deal because of familiarity/prior service etc.. but I doubt they keep him.

I think the Broncos and Elway are thinking along these lines - why pay 8.7M more a year for maybe a couple more tds and 200 yards more receiving in the slot position instead of using that 5M to get a defensive lineman that reduces average yards per carry by say .5 (which may contribute to more wins)? I'm pulling these numbers out of my you know what because I don't want to look up salaries/productivity numbers - but I'm guessing they have some analysis along this front going on.

They probably have also done an analysis thinking about future salaries and potential production - hence the saving of 18 million.

broncocalijohn 01-08-2013 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by elibroncofan (Post 3774263)
would love to see them use some money to sign Welker this offseason. The offense lacks quickness at the receiver position. Stokely has been solid but he'll be 37 next season. A Manning to welker connection would be tough to stop, hopefully he can be acquired for a decent price.

Sorry but if Stokely is on the roster next season, we have hit our "white man" quoto on wide receivers. We would need to balance it out but damn if there is a couple of honkies in the backfield and one as a safety. Sorry, no room for him.
On a serious note, Welker is a complete stud that isn't afraid to go down the middle and not use aligator arms.


BTW, $20 million under the cap? Cheap owner! Signed, SoCal Bronco

How come Shanny couldnt do this job in 2012 with the same type of budget?


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