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TonyR 01-07-2013 01:02 PM

Chuck Hagel for Sec Def?
 
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What makes Hagel so important, and so threatening to the Republican foreign-policy elite, is that he is one of the few prominent Republican-aligned politicians and commentators (George Will and Francis ***uyama are others, but such voices are rare) who was intellectually changed by Iraq. And Hagel was changed, in large measure, because he bore within him intellectual (and physical) scar tissue from Vietnam. As my former colleague John Judis captured brilliantly in a 2007 New Republic profile, the Iraq War sparked something visceral in Hagel, as the former Vietnam rifleman realized that, once again, detached and self-interested elites were sending working-class kids like himself to die in a war they couldnít honestly defend.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...st+Articles%29

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Why isn't Obama replacing Panetta with a Democrat? Simple: Of all the possible candidates, he trusts Hagel. Hagel was the head of Obama's intelligence advisory board, and was a frequent informal "red cell" brain that Obama privately turned to when he wanted a second opinion. He has been picking Hagel's brain on subjects as diverse as Afghanistan, China, special operations force posture, and intelligence for several years now. (Hagel has all the required clearances.)
http://theweek.com/article/index/238422/why-hagel

SoCalBronco 01-07-2013 01:06 PM

Good choice. Levelheaded and reasonable on foreign issues. Don't know if he has the votes tho.

bronc_fan23 01-07-2013 01:11 PM

Wonder how much of his hearing will be about his devotion to Israel.....Because everyone in DC knows you must bow down to Israel before you can do anything of value in DC.

mhgaffney 01-08-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco (Post 3773525)
Good choice. Levelheaded and reasonable on foreign issues. Don't know if he has the votes tho.

For once I agree with SoCal.

mhgaffney 01-08-2013 01:15 PM

His appointment -- if he makes it -- will help slow the momentum to another Mideast war.

orinjkrush 01-08-2013 01:43 PM

Good choice. someone who has served his country in the trenches.

not a p***Y politician who talks big and carries a little dick. (see GWB and Bill Klintron)

cutthemdown 01-08-2013 02:58 PM

It made Iran happy how could that be good?

cutthemdown 01-08-2013 03:03 PM

Obama is picking people he knows will be a fight. His whole goal right now is to keep the public thinking Repubs just disagree with anything he does no matter what. Not a bad plan. Repubs should probably just let them through after a bit of wrangling in the hearings.

peacepipe 01-08-2013 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3774405)
Obama is picking people he knows will be a fight. His whole goal right now is to keep the public thinking Repubs just disagree with anything he does no matter what. Not a bad plan. Repubs should probably just let them through after a bit of wrangling in the hearings.

Lol rethugs have no one to blame but themselves for that.It's not Obama's fault rethugs are so shortsighted.

Rohirrim 01-08-2013 04:12 PM

I was listening to a respected historian the other day who said the the attack on Iraq will turn out to be regarded as the greatest strategic blunder in American history to date.

orinjkrush 01-08-2013 07:48 PM

i'm thinking Afghanistan is a bigger blunder.

those who don't learn from history are doomed....

01-17-2013 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3774478)
I was listening to a respected historian the other day who said the the attack on Iraq will turn out to be regarded as the greatest strategic blunder in American history to date.

Who is this respected historian?

peacepipe 01-17-2013 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3784029)
Who is this respected historian?

Hate to break the news to you,but you don't need to be a respected historian to know the Iraq war was a colossal **** up.

lonestar 01-17-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bronc_fan23 (Post 3773533)
Wonder how much of his hearing will be about his devotion to Israel.....Because everyone in DC knows you must bow down to Israel before you can do anything of value in DC.

Hagel is not pro Isreal in the slightest.

lonestar 01-17-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3784029)
Who is this respected historian?

I suspect he is a Msnbc ANAList.

lonestar 01-17-2013 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3774454)
Lol rethugs have no one to blame but themselves for that.It's not Obama's fault rethugs are so shortsighted.

Wow once again if you can't refute them call them names, or change the subject. Typical far left tactic.

cutthemdown 01-19-2013 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco (Post 3773525)
Good choice. Levelheaded and reasonable on foreign issues. Don't know if he has the votes tho.

It's pretty rare for the President to not get his top cabinet picks. Can anyone remember the last president to not get the def sec or sos he wanted?

cutthemdown 01-19-2013 01:19 AM

Repubs would be smart to give him all his cabinet picks for the top spots but keep fighting the judges. Then cave on the debt limit like they are and save the big fight for a yr or so when the midterm election season starts to heat up. Then hit Obama and the dems on not doing any cuts, raising the debt limit, spending more and coming after your guns. Maybe Repubs can do well in the midterms and shut Obummer down for good.

Rohirrim 01-19-2013 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3784029)
Who is this respected historian?

Here: Google this, "irag biggest strategic blunder"

Take your pick. We've got historians, professors of political science, retired generals, whatever.

Rohirrim 01-19-2013 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lonestar (Post 3784043)
Wow once again if you can't refute them call them names, or change the subject. Typical far left tactic.

Latest tactic of the Right: Blame Obama because he makes them insane.

lonestar 01-19-2013 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3784616)
Latest tactic of the Right: Blame Obama because he DESERVES IT .

fixed that for you.

TonyR 02-06-2013 10:56 AM

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We wonít know what the final confirmation vote tally will be, but by my count there are at least 20 Republicans that will definitely vote against Hagel and there are only two definite Republican yeas. Even if all of the remaining Republicans voted to confirm, that would still mean that nearly half of the Senators from Hagelís own party are voting the other way. It isnít surprising when the presidentís opposition votes in large numbers against a nominee from the presidentís party, but in this case Republicans are going out of their way to repudiate one of their own mostly because he is not enough of a jingoist and saber-rattler. Hagel will almost certainly be confirmed, but along the way Senate Republicans are confirming everyone elseís worst fears about their foreign policy views.
http://www.theamericanconservative.c...ll-but-certain

cutthemdown 02-06-2013 01:46 PM

Hagel was against the surge and if we had not done the surge then Iraq would have been a mess. He is against sanctions on Iran. He's on tape agreeing the America is a bully and he is anti israel. Yeah great pick. Obama will get his man but Hagel won't be a good sec of defense for anything but watching it get dismantled....oh wait thats the plan.

TonyR 02-06-2013 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3793812)
...he is anti israel...

Sigh. With this one comment you prove that you have no understanding of the issue and have bought in to all the BS.

peacepipe 02-06-2013 02:07 PM

apparently we got some GWB apologists who want to rewrite history
 
http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/20...-troop-surges/

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Myth 1: The security gains from the surge in Iraq caused the population to turn against the insurgents. The history of the Iraq war shows that the troop surge in Iraq followed the grass-roots uprising in Al-Anbar province of the Sunnis against al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI). The uprising, also known as the Awakening movement, began in September 2006 with Sheik Sittar albu-Risha.

AQI had overplayed its hand with its heavy-handed imposition of Shariah law and mistreatment of the residents of that majority-Sunni province. Such mistreatment included the summary executions of tribal leaders who opposed AQI and the forced marriages of their daughters to AQI fighters. Sheik Sittar organized a resistance movement that spread across the province and became the Awakening.

Mr. Bush announced the troop surge from the Oval Office on Jan. 10, 2007. The surge involved sending five more Army Brigade Combat Teams (BCTs) and their associated support, along with about 4,000 Marines -nearly 30,000 troops in all. The additional five BCTs would make for 20 BCTs deployed in Iraq.

On Feb. 11, 2007, Gen. David H. Petraeus took command of the Multi-National Force-Iraq

deployed. The other four BCTs deployed over the next five months. By July, the full surge force was in-country. Insurgent activity began to decline shortly thereafter.

Had there been no Awakening in 2006, the surge might have played out differently in 2007. The violence might not have declined, and Mr. Obama might not have the option of being able to consider shifting troops from Iraq to Afghanistan.


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