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Br0nc0Buster 12-13-2012 12:04 PM

Weeden vs Newton
 
Off topic I know

I was having a debate with a couple of friends and there was a disagreement over how much better Cam will be compared to Weeden if at all

So I am trying a quick poll

Who is going to end up the better quarterback?

I am assuming Newton will win the poll, but I am trying to see if it as much a landslide as others keep implying

tsiguy96 12-13-2012 12:13 PM

at the end of the day, weeden is 30 frickin years old as a rookie. that is so hard to overlook to pick him to become anything more than a few year starter.

Crushaholic 12-13-2012 12:19 PM

Here's Weeden's stats, nearing the completion of Year 1:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...brandon-weeden



Here's Cam Newton's stats, nearing the completion of Year 2:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...994/cam-newton

You're welcome...

lonestar 12-13-2012 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsiguy96 (Post 3752394)
at the end of the day, weeden is 30 frickin years old as a rookie. that is so hard to overlook to pick him to become anything more than a few year starter.

yet he has almost NO hits on him over his career as a QB and QB is a spot that can be played well into the late 30's since most QB's 40 time are measured with a egg timer.. speed degradation like RBs, WR are not an issue..

in fact the older a QB gets often the better they are.. make less stupid mistakes..

whereas Cam he is taking a lot of hits and they add up..

Requiem 12-13-2012 12:25 PM

Cam Newton is light years ahead (and always will be) in comparison to Brandon Weeden. Killa Cam is on pace for another ~ 4,000 yard season, 20+ passing touchdowns and probably another ten on the ground. Dude just scores points. Baller all day.

pricejj 12-13-2012 12:55 PM

Neither one of them are good enough to even get their team to the playoffs, at this point. By NFL standards, they both suck.

Right now, both these guys are pretenders. They only get to start, because their ownership/head coach think that they can be better than they are right now. If they can't make the playoffs within a couple years, they will be backups.

lonestar 12-13-2012 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3752449)
Neither one of them are good enough to even get their team to the playoffs, at this point. By NFL standards, they both suck.

Right now, both these guys are pretenders. They only get to start, because their ownership/head coach think that they can be better than they are right now. If they can't make the playoffs within a couple years, they will be backups.

Not sure either team has enough talent for anyone to get the team into the playoffs.

IIRC Cam was # one in the draft most teams are bereft of talent to get that low in the draft. Also seem to remember a purge going on for a few years cutting costs.

And well The Browns have sucked since Jimmy brown retired. Well almost but it has been a very long time since they were consistently relevant.

Requiem 12-13-2012 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3752449)
Neither one of them are good enough to even get their team to the playoffs, at this point. By NFL standards, they both suck.

Right now, both these guys are pretenders. They only get to start, because their ownership/head coach think that they can be better than they are right now. If they can't make the playoffs within a couple years, they will be backups.

Not even remotely close to being true for Newton. The burden on offense is all on his shoulders considering the amount of injuries they have had at RB and OL. The running game isn't there for them this year like it was in years past. Williams and Stewart have blown this year. Not to mention, they were ahead in 5 games this year in the last quarter and their defense let them down. Newton is plenty good enough to start in this league.

12-13-2012 01:11 PM

with the right coaching Cam could be very very good

pricejj 12-13-2012 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3752404)
Cam Newton is light years ahead (and always will be) in comparison to Brandon Weeden. Killa Cam is on pace for another ~ 4,000 yard season, 20+ passing touchdowns and probably another ten on the ground. Dude just scores points. Baller all day.

Here is how I would rank QB's in the NFC South:

1. Drew Brees
2. Matt Ryan
3. Cam Newton
4. Josh Freeman

I'd say it's a good 4 to 5 years before Carolina even sniffs the playoffs (maybe after Drew Brees retires). At least Cam Newton will be in his prime then (if he doesn't get injured).

Requiem 12-13-2012 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3752477)
Here is how I would rank QB's in the NFC South:

1. Drew Brees
2. Matt Ryan
3. Cam Newton
4. Josh Freeman

I'd say it's a good 4 to 5 years before Carolina even sniffs the playoffs (maybe after Drew Brees retires). At least Cam Newton will be in his prime then (if he doesn't get injured).

Drew Brees is HOF and Matt Ryan is awesome. There is no shame with Cam being the #3 guy in that division. Carolina has holes all over the place on the team. So your indictment on him is pretty much a sham. Cam isn't perfect, but without Newton, that team would be horrendous. Rivera is terrible too.

pricejj 12-13-2012 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3752473)
Newton is plenty good enough to start in this league.

Yeah, he's good enough to start. I'd rank him about 15th. Hope he continues to improve...but like you said, alot of Newton's success depends on the the panthers organization's ability to build a team around him.

He's going to have to get more accurate, though...and stay away from setbacks (like Josh Freeman). If he becomes an under 60% passer, he won't have much success.

bronco militia 12-13-2012 01:21 PM

where's the RG3 option?

pricejj 12-13-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3752486)
So your indictment on him is pretty much a sham. Cam isn't perfect, but without Newton, that team would be horrendous. Rivera is terrible too.

There is no indictment. Cam has to get a lot better for his team to be successful and make the playoffs. That's a fact.

Requiem 12-13-2012 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3752504)
There is no indictment. Cam has to get a lot better for his team to be successful and make the playoffs. That's a fact.

Because Cam Newton cannot carry his team to the playoffs, he sucks.

Those are your standards, not the NFLs.

This post was just about as dumb as you saying that this wasn't a good class of defensive tackles in the draft. Not nearly as dumb as your comment on race.

ZONA 12-13-2012 01:40 PM

Weeden? Seriously? Somebody is having a poll about Weeden? Did somebody say Weeden? Don't talk to me about Weeden.

I think talking about Weeden is 1 step up from talking about who's the best referee.

oubronco 12-13-2012 01:43 PM

I'd rather have Andrew Luck

Drunk Monkey 12-13-2012 01:58 PM

http:////2.bp.blogspot.com/_ELFl2_1q...if_serious.jpg

BroncoMan4ever 12-13-2012 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsiguy96 (Post 3752394)
at the end of the day, weeden is 30 frickin years old as a rookie. that is so hard to overlook to pick him to become anything more than a few year starter.

In this era of pussified NFL Weeden could very well play until he is in his early 40's. So age isn't as big an issue as it's made out to be.

I think Newton is basically a new Cutler. Great ability bad attitude poor leader. Weeden with help could be really good.

pricejj 12-13-2012 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3752512)
Because Cam Newton cannot carry his team to the playoffs, he sucks.

Those are your standards, not the NFLs.

This post was just about as dumb as you saying that this wasn't a good class of defensive tackles in the draft. Not nearly as dumb as your comment on race.

a) Cam Newton is a middle of the pack NFL QB. If you have any evidence to refute that, post it.
b) The 2012 class of DT's isn't as good as the 2013 class of DT's (and the 2012 class wasn't great). Name one elite DT coming out this year. I'd classify every single one of them as 2nd round talent.
c) Normal people don't care about race, only racists do. It's a broad statement, but generally true.

12-13-2012 03:25 PM

cam newton? you mean Can Notwin?

pricejj 12-13-2012 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever (Post 3752656)
I think Weeden is basically a new Cutler. Great ability bad attitude poor leader. Weeden with help could be really good.

What has Weeden ever done to garner that comparison?

maven 12-13-2012 03:37 PM

Weeden? Joke post?

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun 12-13-2012 03:41 PM

I'll. tell you that weeden is the better person. No throwing his coaches under the bus.

extralife 12-13-2012 03:42 PM

wat


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