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cmhargrove 12-03-2012 09:47 AM

Ok, so let's analyze this one
 
Some people aren't as interested in this as me (I understand). However the Schiano kneel down antics deserve a little analysis. I found this sped up "three stooges version" of the kneel down play. It's kind of ineresting to analyze.

It looks like we did game plan for this (as we should have), but it also doesn't look like Tampa Bay has the right strategy. I would be going for the ball/snapping arm, but it looks like their theory is to knock the Center back into the QB.

Anyone ever seen this type of play work, even in college? It just looks like they were trying to be "punitive" rather than really getting a good shot at a turnover. Maybe, by having both our Guards dive in we just took the play away. Anyway, thought it was worth a look or three.

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Requiem 12-03-2012 09:49 AM

Those guys are losers for doing it.

Rohirrim 12-03-2012 09:53 AM

No class organization and coach.

55CrushEm 12-03-2012 09:55 AM

We should have returned the lack of class by having DT flare out to the left....Peyton lob him a short pass....then see DT easily take it to the house for a score.

pricejj 12-03-2012 09:57 AM

I love how we basically laid out half their squad both times they tried it. Like, "Go ahead, do it. You will be throat punched to the ground."

edog24 12-03-2012 09:58 AM

I don't get it. If they want to be pricks then just can the center during the game and get a scrum going.

Doing at the end of the game is just cowardly and it's obviously the coach who is pushing this. It's only a matter of time before their lineman start getting chopped and speared by other teams.

12-03-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3743271)
No class organization and coach.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...cle1228005.ece

I wouldn't say "No class"

cmhargrove 12-03-2012 10:00 AM

Another thing I noticed. Their two edge players 29 and 31 either couldn't find the ball if it were stuffed up their ass, or they were just looking for a fight to begin with. How does neither one of those guys even look at Peyton standing there with the ball?

Douches.

pricejj 12-03-2012 10:01 AM

Knowshon and Gronk pushed all their LB's onto their backs...with Deebo threatening to rip the facemask off of anyone who tried to start crap.

pricejj 12-03-2012 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove (Post 3743280)
Another thing I noticed. Their two edge players 29 and 31 either couldn't find the ball if it were stuffed up their ass, or they were just looking for a fight to begin with. How does neither one of those guys even look at Peyton standing there with the ball?

Douches.

Those ****ers knew if they touched Manning, they would be dismembered and drug through the streets of Denver.

enjolras 12-03-2012 10:05 AM

I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.

Bronco Boy 12-03-2012 10:06 AM

They were trying to win the game. I don't see anything wrong with it.

Beantown Bronco 12-03-2012 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Boy (Post 3743292)
They were trying to win the game. I don't see anything wrong with it.

If that were only true.

As was already mentioned, if you watched half of their guys, they're really not attempting to go for the ball or strip it away. They're just flailing around, some with their backs to the actual play or nowhere near where the ball would even be. It's just stupid execution.

gyldenlove 12-03-2012 10:09 AM

I would try a fake kneel down to see if I could get a cheap TD if they did it more than once.

Bronco Boy 12-03-2012 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco (Post 3743294)
If that were only true.

As was already mentioned, if you watched half of their guys, they're really not attempting to go for the ball or strip it away. They're just flailing around, some with their backs to the actual play or nowhere near where the ball would even be. It's just stupid execution.

I don't think execution is the discussion here.

Chris 12-03-2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Boy (Post 3743292)
They were trying to win the game. I don't see anything wrong with it.

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ColoradoDarin 12-03-2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by enjolras (Post 3743289)
I can't be the only one who has absolutely no problem with this. It very nearly worked against the Giants and it gives them at least a shot to win the game. It ain't over until the clock hits zero after all. I never understood why you just have to accept the outcome when the other team takes a knee.

It almost worked against the Giants because no one had tried it before. It won't work anymore because teams will be like the Broncos and ready for it - so it now accomplishes nothing. I don't wish injury on anyone, but I'd tell my OL to just fire at the DL's knees on these plays.

12-03-2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3743281)
Knowshon and Gronk pushed all their LB's onto their backs...with Deebo threatening to rip the facemask off of anyone who tried to start crap.

I love Moreno on this play!

cmhargrove 12-03-2012 10:12 AM

Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?

12-03-2012 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin (Post 3743301)
It almost worked against the Giants because no one had tried it before. It won't work anymore because teams will be like the Broncos and ready for it - so it now accomplishes nothing. I don't wish injury on anyone, but I'd tell my OL to just fire at the DL's knees on these plays.

One of their Dlineman is going to get hurt. Then what are they going to say.

ludo21 12-03-2012 10:13 AM

i dont mind the attempt whatsoever, small small chance of working, but you gotta try.. you never know

12-03-2012 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove (Post 3743304)
Back to the effectiveness question. Has anyone seen this work anywhere else? College? High School? CFL? Anywhere?

I've never seen it done other than TB.

Beantown Bronco 12-03-2012 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Boy (Post 3743297)
I don't think execution is the discussion here.

It's prominently featured in the OP, and in more than one reply.

Crushaholic 12-03-2012 10:15 AM

This became funny, when I realized that Manning kept the ball. You had all these Buc players trying to strip a non-existing ball...ROFL!

12-03-2012 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ludo21 (Post 3743306)
i dont mind the attempt whatsoever, small small chance of working, but you gotta try.. you never know

I think they need to concentrate more on how to prevent victory formations from happening, instead of how to blow up a victory formation.


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