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v2micca 10-30-2012 07:19 AM

Still not a big fan of Michael Irvin the Analyst
 
But it seems that he is the first and thus far only talking head to acknowledge and discuss that this is the first time Peyton has played with two big receivers who can just go up and get the ball. I know its a couple of months behind everyone here at the mane, but at least someone in the mainstream media is finally giving the Denver receiving corps some credit for Manning's success.

Archer81 10-30-2012 08:09 AM

He's actually been on that one for awhile. I remember a discussion on NFLN where Irvin got excited (and thus impossible to understand) but the gist was that Manning with a 6'3 Decker and a 6'3 Thomas outside? It would be new for Manning to have that type of size outside, and when the offense gelled would be awesome to watch.

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10-30-2012 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by v2micca (Post 3711302)
But it seems that he is the first and thus far only talking head to acknowledge and discuss that this is the first time Peyton has played with two big receivers who can just go up and get the ball. I know its a couple of months behind everyone here at the mane, but at least someone in the mainstream media is finally giving the Denver receiving corps some credit for Manning's success.

We're not talking about Decker as one of the two are we?

v2micca 10-30-2012 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3711349)
We're not talking about Decker as one of the two are we?

We are. Decker's limitations appear to be related to youth and focus at this time. Don't let those short-coming cause you to discount his very real physical abilities. I remember after the Pittsburg game, I heard some Steelers fans complaining that the Steelers D wasn't trying to jam the Broncos receivers off the line to disrupt Peyton's timing routes. The fact is, it is hard for most DBs to jam 6'3" 220+ lbs receivers. Both of these guys have a long way to go. But both will be hard to jam off the line, and both can use their bodies to box out or go over a defender for a pass.

edog24 10-30-2012 09:04 AM

Decker plays more like he's 5'10"

NUB 10-30-2012 09:12 AM

Decker doesn't play to his size, but Thomas does. Also, there's something to be said about route running -- that I think they're still both weak at. Marvin Harrison was one of the best route runners of all time, and Reggie Wayne is up there too. It's a little early to compare Thomas/Decker to that sort of talent at this point in their careers.

v2micca 10-30-2012 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NUB (Post 3711384)
Decker doesn't play to his size, but Thomas does. Also, there's something to be said about route running -- that I think they're still both weak at. Marvin Harrison was one of the best route runners of all time, and Reggie Wayne is up there too. It's a little early to compare Thomas/Decker to that sort of talent at this point in their careers.

I'm not comparing them. I'm contrasting them. They are different players with different skill-sets. As I said, I'm excited to see Manning playing with our corps as he has not really worked with this type of receiver before in his career.

10-30-2012 09:36 AM

Decker has his strengths. But his instincts when he leaves his feet aren't one of them. He whiffed on another one Sunday that I'm pretty sure DT (or any top-notch jump ball WR) would've made at least a decent play on.

I think Decker's made some decent grabs, but I can't recall a single one where he really went up and used his size to any effect.

v2micca 10-30-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3711401)
Decker has his strengths. But his instincts when he leaves his feet aren't one of them. He whiffed on another one Sunday that I'm pretty sure DT (or any top-notch jump ball WR) would've made at least a decent play on.

I think Decker's made some decent grabs, but I can't recall a single one where he really went up and used his size to any effect.

I think he made a decent adjustment to go up and grab 23 yard pass on the final drive of the first half. I think it was supposed to be a back-shoulder fade to the soft zone between the CB and safety. But, Manning gets clocked on the play and probably doesn't get everything into the throw (my opinion based on my observations of the pass) I think Decker does an nice job adjusting then using his size to go up and get the ball.

I'll acknowledge that Decker's vertical game is not as advanced as DT's. I still maintain that is largely a product of youth and inexperience. Manning and his receivers are still developing a rapport. Eventually, they are going to start hitting jump ball drills hard. When that happens (possibly sometime next year) the Broncos are going to own NFL highlights.

10-30-2012 09:50 AM

Decker made someone look pretty foolish in the Saints game when he got wide open. I hope he does more of that.

pricejj 10-30-2012 09:50 AM

Both Decker and Thomas are on pace for about 90 catches this year...which is pretty damn good.

I am pretty sure Decker still leads the league in drops, but Manning's completion percentage is near his all-time high...so that is becoming less of a concern.

Tombstone RJ 10-30-2012 09:50 AM

Looks like Green is gonna make an impact too. I hope Manning keeps throwing the ball to this young TE.

v2micca 10-30-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3711414)
Both Decker and Thomas are on pace for about 90 catches this year...which is pretty damn good.

I am pretty sure Decker still leads the league in drops, but Manning's completion percentage is near his all-time high...so that is becoming less of a concern.

Actually, Doug Martin, Jimmy Graham, Dez Bryant, Victor Cruz, and Jason Witten all have more drops then him right now. And he is tied with 6 other players. So yeah, not ideal. But not a deal breaker either.

10-30-2012 10:19 AM

Decker is just a tad bit raw. He's got the talent and makes great plays for us, but it seems every game there's a big downfield pass that goes right through Deckers wheelhouse. In slow motion it always shows him trying to catch the ball after it goes through his gaping arms.



On Irvin, Tom Jackson called him retarded on live TV. And I share that sentiment

v2micca 11-04-2012 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3711401)
I think Decker's made some decent grabs, but I can't recall a single one where he really went up and used his size to any effect.

Just pointing out that Decker climbed the ladder to grad that final touchdown that helped seal the game for us. Like I said, maturity and inexperience. At this stage, both are easy to correct.

11-04-2012 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by v2micca (Post 3716728)
Just pointing out that Decker climbed the ladder to grad that final touchdown that helped seal the game for us. Like I said, maturity and inexperience. At this stage, both are easy to correct.

I was stuck listening to this one on the radio so I didn't get to see. Decker came up huge this game no doubt though.

11-04-2012 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunken.Broncoholic (Post 3711433)
Decker is just a tad bit raw. He's got the talent and makes great plays for us, but it seems every game there's a big downfield pass that goes right through Deckers wheelhouse. In slow motion it always shows him trying to catch the ball after it goes through his gaping arms.



On Irvin, Tom Jackson called him retarded on live TV. And I share that sentiment

Maybe he is used to having a bigger surface area to work with (ie: sideways ball flying through the air)?

theAPAOps5 11-04-2012 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by v2micca (Post 3716728)
Just pointing out that Decker climbed the ladder to grad that final touchdown that helped seal the game for us. Like I said, maturity and inexperience. At this stage, both are easy to correct.

Both of them have grown leaps and bounds since the start of the season. Very impressed with them, and I was uber critical in the beginning.

Demaryius Thomas ran two beautiful routes today that while they weren't sexy and only amounted for 5 or 6 yards were huge. They were both on third down and he ran his route exactly to the yardage needed and got himself open for a split second and gave Manning just enough time to get the ball in.

Those were impressive.

Decker was also impressive on the TD and in a couple of plays where he gained some good yards after the catch.

They have come a long way!

Kaylore 11-04-2012 08:12 PM

Decker has four tds in the last two games.

BroncoMan4ever 11-04-2012 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBeavis (Post 3711349)
We're not talking about Decker as one of the two are we?

46 receptions, 583 yards, 7 TD

I say only an idiot wouldn't count Decker. And he is getting better every week. He doesn't have the athleticism of DT, but realistically there are maybe 10 guys in the league that have that size,speed/ability combination that DT has.

BroncoMan4ever 11-04-2012 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3717215)
Decker has four tds in the last two games.

And at least 1 in each of the last 5

11-05-2012 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever (Post 3717220)
46 receptions, 583 yards, 7 TD

I say only an idiot wouldn't count Decker. And he is getting better every week. He doesn't have the athleticism of DT, but realistically there are maybe 10 guys in the league that have that size,speed/ability combination that DT has.

Everyone has their weaknesses. Yours just happens to be reading comprehension.

cmhargrove 11-05-2012 07:13 AM

I don't know how anyone could say Decker doesn't play "up to his size." He powered a run into the end zone yesterday, and don't forget the San Diego game where he shoved through three defenders the last few yards to paydirt.

These guys have kind of been stunted so far in Denver, and they are both growing into their roles. It's also so nice to have Stokley to help take the pressure off them and teach them how to be professionals.

11-05-2012 07:33 AM

We had a few drops yesterday and I'm not sure who gets the blame for the endzone pick, but as far as ability and toughness, I think our young WR's have proven themselves the last 2 months. There were question marks, but no more.

It was clearly a smart move by Elway to bring in the veterans Stokley and Tamme to help with Deck and Dt's maturation too. Guys who understand how to play with Manning and the work that needs to be put in. Stok is a great compliment.

It's just too bad we cant really make our offense more potent, by incorporating screen passes considering Mcgahee is slowing down.

If I were Fox, at this point, I would be holding McGahee out of practice to try and do anything to save his legs for the stretch run.

v2micca 11-05-2012 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by fwf (Post 3717425)
We had a few drops yesterday and I'm not sure who gets the blame for the endzone pick,


You know, I'm not sure if you can really blame anyone one Bronco on that interception. Sometimes, you just have to tip your cap to the defender for making a play. Newman quickly recognized the route and just beats Decker to the spot. Its not like Decker doesn't fight him for the position, he does. But Newman just had better leverage on this one. About all he really could have done was try to get his hands up and bat the ball away. Unfortunately, Peyton was leading him inside on that pass.


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