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10-26-2012 06:39 PM

Lance Pharmstrong is worth 125 million
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/yo...anted=all&_r=0

But there is one way the company could cause problems for Mr. Armstrong, and that is by deposing him as part of a lawsuit. “In any deposition, if he would deny the usage of performance-enhancing drugs, he would open himself up to criminal prosecution for lying under oath,” said Andrew Stoltmann, a lawyer in Chicago who has represented professional basketball, football and baseball players. “Prosecutors love high-profile obstruction of justice cases to serve as a deterrent for lying under oath.”

This has to happen. Is there a way we can start a fund or petition to urge this company to force lance on the stand. I would like nothing more then to see this arrogant prick who so vehemently denied doping for all those years have to eat some f'n crow. That or go to jail. I cant decide which I want more.
This guy is the biggest fraud of our generation.
There were plenty of pro cyclist out there who were clean and trying to feed their families just like Lance. Lance cheated and scammed his way to a 125 million fortune. It makes me want to puke. And to do it all under this umbrella of cancer survivor/hero/humanitarian.
**** Rick Reilly too for supporting this guy. How does Rick even have a job at this point??

hookemhess 10-26-2012 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fwf (Post 3707512)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/yo...anted=all&_r=0

But there is one way the company could cause problems for Mr. Armstrong, and that is by deposing him as part of a lawsuit. “In any deposition, if he would deny the usage of performance-enhancing drugs, he would open himself up to criminal prosecution for lying under oath,” said Andrew Stoltmann, a lawyer in Chicago who has represented professional basketball, football and baseball players. “Prosecutors love high-profile obstruction of justice cases to serve as a deterrent for lying under oath.”

This has to happen. Is there a way we can start a fund or petition to urge this company to force lance on the stand. I would like nothing more then to see this arrogant prick who so vehemently denied doping for all those years have to eat some f'n crow. That or go to jail. I cant decide which I want more.
This guy is the biggest fraud of our generation.
There were plenty of pro cyclist out there who were clean and trying to feed their families just like Lance. Lance cheated and scammed his way to a 125 million fortune. It makes me want to puke. And to do it all under this umbrella of cancer survivor/hero/humanitarian.
**** Rick Reilly too for supporting this guy. How does Rick even have a job at this point??

It was basically the steroid era. They were all ****ing doping. Put an asterisk next to them if you want, but he won those damn races.

And then he parlays his fame into fighting the disease that nearly killed him. The LIVESTRONG Foundation has raised more than $470M.

Lance Armstrong is an American hero.

http://i.imgur.com/aaeNM.gif

Mogulseeker 10-26-2012 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hookemhess (Post 3707517)
It was basically the steroid era. They were all ****ing doping. Put an asterisk next to them if you want, but he won those damn races.

And then he parlays his fame into fighting the disease that nearly killed him. The LIVESTRONG Foundation has raised more than $470M.

Lance Armstrong is an American hero.

[IMG]http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/kenny-powers-american-flag-****-you.gif[/IMG]

That's pretty much how I see it.

baja 10-26-2012 06:53 PM

A tarnished hero at best.

He is no longer a hero in my book but I don't hate him either.


...And I think he should get to keep his money. He may not be hero material but he earned his dough.

gyldenlove 10-26-2012 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja (Post 3707525)
A tarnished hero at best.

He is no longer a hero in my book but I don't hate him either.


...And I think he should get to keep his money. He may not be hero material but he earned his dough.

So did Bernie Madoff....

10-26-2012 07:04 PM

To say that everyone was on steroids at the time is completely false. It was a small percentage. What about those guys? And lance would fly that Livestrong jet all over the world how ever he pleased and would promote all his supporters and cohorts to top positions. Livestrong was a cover and a way to build up his brand. Define Hero for me buddy? If you see Lance as a hero youre either uninformed or ignorant.

baja 10-26-2012 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gyldenlove (Post 3707528)
So did Bernie Madoff....

Who's pension fund or personal wealth portfolio did Armstrong wipe out?

Get back to me on this I'd like to know.

baja 10-26-2012 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fwf (Post 3707533)
To say that everyone was on steroids at the time is completely false. It was a small percentage. What about those guys? And lance would fly that Livestrong jet all over the world how ever he pleased and would promote all his supporters and cohorts to top positions. Livestrong was a cover and a way to build up his brand. Define Hero for me buddy? If you see Lance as a hero youre either uninformed or ignorant.

Aren't they the same thing?

Archer81 10-26-2012 07:44 PM

People care about cycling?

To be honest I care more about Armstrong pulling in $470 million for cancer research than "cheating" at a "sport".


:Broncos:

gyldenlove 10-26-2012 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja (Post 3707543)
Who's pension fund or personal wealth portfolio did Armstrong wipe out?

Get back to me on this I'd like to know.

The riders who rode without using drugs, every dollar he made in sponsorship deals, salary, winnings were made by cheating - all that money should have gone to honest athletes.

Rascal 10-26-2012 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hookemhess (Post 3707517)
And then he parlays his fame into fighting the disease that nearly killed him. The LIVESTRONG Foundation has raised more than $470M.

That's the part that matters. If any prosecutor goes after him after all this they deserve to be fired. It's a waste of Government resources when there are more important issues.

baja 10-26-2012 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gyldenlove (Post 3707559)
The riders who rode without using drugs, every dollar he made in sponsorship deals, salary, winnings were made by cheating - all that money should have gone to honest athletes.

Ok maybe but that does not put him in the same league as Berne Madoff who ruined lives, wiped out retirements and emptied portfolios.

Lestat 10-26-2012 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gyldenlove (Post 3707559)
The riders who rode without using drugs, every dollar he made in sponsorship deals, salary, winnings were made by cheating - all that money should have gone to honest athletes.

cycling has always been a corrupt sport in terms of performance enhancing drugs.
so if he did or didn't use them i don't really care.

the problem with so many people complaining about PED's is this.
you still have to have talent for them to mean a damn thing.
history is filled with guys who got busted for or were heavily suspected of using PED's. most of them who were only worth something using the PED's flamed out in a couple of years and couldn't sustain anything for a prolonged period of time.

me personally i don't think any athlete is truly clean. before anyone starts a rant about "not everyone is doing it." i mean that too many things that are legal or not banned one day and then it becomes taboo the next.
some will stop taking it and move on to the next advancement in sports science, others will keep using what works.
every athlete is going to try and get any advantage they can on the competition, some will go farther than others into the grey area and even push farther.

bottom line though is this, at the end of the day you still have to put in the work and win. some do it in a much fairer manner than others but if you use PED's and you don't win no one cares and calls you a moron.
if you win then it's "he only won because he was using."

10-26-2012 08:16 PM

Who said Steroids doesn't pay?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tvA0yLWBlo...57B13%257D.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PAswfJw6bJ...estlemania.jpg

broncocalijohn 10-26-2012 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fwf (Post 3707512)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/yo...anted=all&_r=0

But there is one way the company could cause problems for Mr. Armstrong, and that is by deposing him as part of a lawsuit. “In any deposition, if he would deny the usage of performance-enhancing drugs, he would open himself up to criminal prosecution for lying under oath,” said Andrew Stoltmann, a lawyer in Chicago who has represented professional basketball, football and baseball players. “Prosecutors love high-profile obstruction of justice cases to serve as a deterrent for lying under oath.”

This has to happen. Is there a way we can start a fund or petition to urge this company to force lance on the stand. I would like nothing more then to see this arrogant prick who so vehemently denied doping for all those years have to eat some f'n crow. That or go to jail. I cant decide which I want more.
This guy is the biggest fraud of our generation.
There were plenty of pro cyclist out there who were clean and trying to feed their families just like Lance. Lance cheated and scammed his way to a 125 million fortune. It makes me want to puke. And to do it all under this umbrella of cancer survivor/hero/humanitarian.
**** Rick Reilly too for supporting this guy. How does Rick even have a job at this point??

Garcia Bronco probably supports this guy like he does for Barry Bonds.

Wes Mantooth 10-26-2012 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fwf (Post 3707512)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/yo...anted=all&_r=0

But there is one way the company could cause problems for Mr. Armstrong, and that is by deposing him as part of a lawsuit. “In any deposition, if he would deny the usage of performance-enhancing drugs, he would open himself up to criminal prosecution for lying under oath,” said Andrew Stoltmann, a lawyer in Chicago who has represented professional basketball, football and baseball players. “Prosecutors love high-profile obstruction of justice cases to serve as a deterrent for lying under oath.”

This has to happen. Is there a way we can start a fund or petition to urge this company to force lance on the stand. I would like nothing more then to see this arrogant prick who so vehemently denied doping for all those years have to eat some f'n Sheryl crow. That or go to jail. I cant decide which I want more.
This guy is the biggest fraud of our generation.
There were plenty of pro cyclist out there who were clean and trying to feed their families just like Lance. Lance cheated and scammed his way to a 125 million fortune. It makes me want to puke. And to do it all under this umbrella of cancer survivor/hero/humanitarian.
**** Rick Reilly too for supporting this guy. How does Rick even have a job at this point??

Fixed it.

lonestar 10-27-2012 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fwf (Post 3707512)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/yo...anted=all&_r=0

But there is one way the company could cause problems for Mr. Armstrong, and that is by deposing him as part of a lawsuit. “In any deposition, if he would deny the usage of performance-enhancing drugs, he would open himself up to criminal prosecution for lying under oath,” said Andrew Stoltmann, a lawyer in Chicago who has represented professional basketball, football and baseball players. “Prosecutors love high-profile obstruction of justice cases to serve as a deterrent for lying under oath.”

This has to happen. Is there a way we can start a fund or petition to urge this company to force lance on the stand. I would like nothing more then to see this arrogant prick who so vehemently denied doping for all those years have to eat some f'n crow. That or go to jail. I cant decide which I want more.
This guy is the biggest fraud of our generation.
There were plenty of pro cyclist out there who were clean and trying to feed their families just like Lance. Lance cheated and scammed his way to a 125 million fortune. It makes me want to puke. And to do it all under this umbrella of cancer survivor/hero/humanitarian.
**** Rick Reilly too for supporting this guy. How does Rick even have a job at this point??

I think he could take the fifth and therefore no charges could be filed for perjury...

Regardless of what he says he has been tainted..

as for the money he made MORE POWER to him..

Always thought it was the American way work hard, make as much money as you can.. Only a moron would say other wise..

Please tell me, if you had the money you could not find some way to be happy?

lonestar 10-27-2012 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gyldenlove (Post 3707559)
The riders who rode without using drugs, every dollar he made in sponsorship deals, salary, winnings were made by cheating - all that money should have gone to honest athletes.

so do you really think that there would have been one dominant rider that would have made money in the "sport"..

He did not make 125 mil riding a bike he made it endorsing and Probably really great investing..

as for the other riders tough TEAT they will get a trophy when it all winds down..

lonestar 10-27-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lestat (Post 3707570)
cycling has always been a corrupt sport in terms of performance enhancing drugs.
so if he did or didn't use them i don't really care.

the problem with so many people complaining about PED's is this.
you still have to have talent for them to mean a damn thing.
history is filled with guys who got busted for or were heavily suspected of using PED's. most of them who were only worth something using the PED's flamed out in a couple of years and couldn't sustain anything for a prolonged period of time.

me personally i don't think any athlete is truly clean. before anyone starts a rant about "not everyone is doing it." i mean that too many things that are legal or not banned one day and then it becomes taboo the next.
some will stop taking it and move on to the next advancement in sports science, others will keep using what works.
every athlete is going to try and get any advantage they can on the competition, some will go farther than others into the grey area and even push farther.

bottom line though is this, at the end of the day you still have to put in the work and win. some do it in a much fairer manner than others but if you use PED's and you don't win no one cares and calls you a moron.
if you win then it's "he only won because he was using."


the guy had cancer fought it and came back to win again and again..

most would have whined about their lot in life and died..

he fought it and whether or not he would have won without those advancements in Medicine or not No one will ever know..

Bronco Yoda 10-27-2012 12:31 AM

I have to admit that I really enjoyed an American dominating in this sport. The entire sport is known for drug use. Our druggy was better than their druggies. I'm not justifying it... just saying. :)

Now he has to pay the piper. He is still an incredible athlete. And an incredible liar.

lonestar 10-27-2012 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda (Post 3707681)
I have to admit that I really enjoyed an American dominating in this sport. The entire sport is known for drug use. Our druggy was better than their druggies. I'm not justifying it... just saying. :)

Now he has to pay the piper. He is still an incredible athlete. And an incredible liar.

:thumbs:

as you said ours was better than theirs and they all lied..

the whine babies need to tell someone who cares..

TomServo 10-27-2012 01:42 AM

holy crap! i hear let them dope and cheat. maybe some people dont want to get testicular cancer or shorten their lives by 8-10-15 years just to compete. i bet barry bonds big head has shortened his life by how many years? and for what? so everyone else has to grow a giant head to compete? F-Lance

Drunk Monkey 10-27-2012 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81 (Post 3707556)
People care about cycling?

To be honest I care more about Armstrong pulling in $470 million for cancer research than "cheating" at a "sport".


:Broncos:

Yep, I really don't understand the blind hatred here.

Kaylore 10-27-2012 07:13 AM

I defended Lance at every turn. I didn't understand how they kept catching other cyclists and Lance kept testing clean. I asked myself: What is more likely? That he's really clean and talented, or he has one of the most advanced anti-doping efforts ever put together that is smarter and better than anyone anywhere at cheating?

Well it looks like it was the latter on this one.

Disappointed.

10-27-2012 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lonestar (Post 3707675)
I think he could take the fifth and therefore no charges could be filed for perjury...

Regardless of what he says he has been tainted..

as for the money he made MORE POWER to him..

Always thought it was the American way work hard, make as much money as you can.. Only a moron would say other wise..

Please tell me, if you had the money you could not find some way to be happy?

You must be republican... make yours and F everyone else


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