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Jetmeck 10-21-2012 04:42 PM

Jets holding their own with Pats
 
Seahags did as well.........whats the deal with us ?

Seriously ?

10-21-2012 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetmeck (Post 3703903)
Seahags did as well.........whats the deal with us ?

Seriously ?

We weren't ready for them to run a no huddle offense for nearly the entire game. It's not really that complicated.

10-21-2012 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetmeck (Post 3703903)
Seahags did as well.........whats the deal with us ?

Seriously ?

Turnovers plain and simple. Denver does not fumble those two times they win the game.

10-21-2012 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus (Post 3703924)
Turnovers plain and simple. Denver does not fumble those two times they win the game.

That too.

10-21-2012 05:27 PM

Division rivals...

SonOfLe-loLang 10-21-2012 05:39 PM

Yes and every game is played on an equal plane. Clearly, the Chiefs were better than 90 percent of the league last year because they beat Green Bay

Jetmeck 10-21-2012 05:57 PM

Way too simplistic with turnovers, lots of them today in Pats game.

Maybe no huddle but didn't we run a no huddle in that game.

Why yes we did. Smartasses..........I said seriously.

Can the attitudes.


Pats had their way with us for most of that game, be real .

sgbfan 10-21-2012 06:08 PM

Joe Mays. Getting at least 2 first downs on 3 and long because of a slow MLB who can't cover (don't know why he is ever in at all, much less on 3rd downs) made a big difference.

razorwire77 10-21-2012 06:10 PM

It was only a matter of time before Mark Sanchez turned into Mark Sanchez.

Doggcow 10-21-2012 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetmeck (Post 3703955)
Way too simplistic with turnovers, lots of them today in Pats game.

Maybe no huddle but didn't we run a no huddle in that game.

Why yes we did. Smartasses..........I said seriously.

Can the attitudes.


Pats had their way with us for most of that game, be real .

No, THEY (AS IN THE PATRIOTS) ran a No-Huddle all game... Smartass.

10-21-2012 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetmeck (Post 3703955)
Way too simplistic with turnovers, lots of them today in Pats game.

Maybe no huddle but didn't we run a no huddle in that game.

Why yes we did. Smartasses..........I said seriously.

Can the attitudes.


Pats had their way with us for most of that game, be real .

If the opposing team has 1 more turnover than you you have a 60% chance of wining. If they have two more turnovers than you you have a 75% chance to win and it goes up from there.

Do not turn the ball over and get turnovers and you'll win.

BroncoMan4ever 10-21-2012 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetmeck (Post 3703903)
Seahags did as well.........whats the deal with us ?

Seriously ?

It's all matchups. Some teams match well against others. We don't match up well against the Pats

fontaine 10-22-2012 02:09 AM

There were three things that happened in the Jets-Pats game:

1. Both Hernandez/Gronk were nowhere near 100% and were visibly slower.

2. The Jets front 7 did an excellent job in being aggressive at the line and using their LBers to really fill rushing lanes - our LBers collectively sucked in that game.

3. The DBs played physical in jamming Welker/Lloyd effectively - we didn't.

4. The Pats didn't run no-huddle all that much compared to our game.

Jetmeck 10-22-2012 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever (Post 3704045)
It's all matchups. Some teams match well against others. We don't match up well against the Pats



See thats more reasonable, even without the turnovers they owned us most of the day..............just would really like to did into why exactly ?

Lolad 10-22-2012 06:13 AM

Playing the short passing game... Remember when the ravens found out they could jam our receivers and play closer to the LOS... Teams followed and effectively neutered Mcdaniels offense. Allowing free releases, poor tackling, not getting set is where we failed

SeedReaver 10-22-2012 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang (Post 3703948)
Yes and every game is played on an equal plane. Clearly, the Chiefs were better than 90 percent of the league last year because they beat Green Bay

Duh, that is because Air Orton is better than Aaron Rodgers, hands down. I can't believe we gave up that guy to get that Peyton Manning fool. Elway is tearing this team apart!

bronco militia 10-22-2012 07:14 AM

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enjolras 10-22-2012 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lolad (Post 3704281)
Playing the short passing game... Remember when the ravens found out they could jam our receivers and play closer to the LOS... Teams followed and effectively neutered Mcdaniels offense. Allowing free releases, poor tackling, not getting set is where we failed

It's particularly that first thing (free releases). Our linebackers have no ability to jam up tightends as they come off of the LOS. Miller is on the strong side and while he's decent in coverage, he's still having trouble getting guys jammed up.

When you play the ultimate rhythm offense you have to be able to disrupt that. Look at the teams that play the Patriots well. The Seahawks, Jets, and Giants are all extremely physical up-front with linebackers who can jam well and cover guys up underneath.

For better or worse, we just can't seem to find someone (particularly) in the middle to play that role.

Beantown Bronco 10-22-2012 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by fontaine (Post 3704234)
There were three things that happened in the Jets-Pats game:

1. Both Hernandez/Gronk were nowhere near 100% and were visibly slower.

Ummmm, Hernandez didn't even play against us.

Br0nc0Buster 10-22-2012 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontaine (Post 3704234)
There were three things that happened in the Jets-Pats game:

1. Both Hernandez/Gronk were nowhere near 100% and were visibly slower.

2. The Jets front 7 did an excellent job in being aggressive at the line and using their LBers to really fill rushing lanes - our LBers collectively sucked in that game.

3. The DBs played physical in jamming Welker/Lloyd effectively - we didn't.
4. The Pats didn't run no-huddle all that much compared to our game.

This is kind of why I have lost faith in this coaching staff
The Cardinals showed how to slow them down
Seahawks had success jamming them as well

We came into the game with a Bob Slowick like gameplan
I don't think Del Rio really knows what he is doing

fontaine 10-22-2012 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco (Post 3704330)
Ummmm, Hernandez didn't even play against us.

Yes, I realize that but the point was about how the Jets defense didn't have it's top blown off the back end because those guys were slower so it allowed their LBers to attack more around the line of scrimmage than ours who were running around in circles in coverage.

10-22-2012 08:21 AM

Seattle beat NE because their secondary could play NE wr one on one accross the board. Also NE throwing ball late cost them when they tossed int in redzone and were up 13.

Jets played well and covered NE good enough. Their play calling late cost them and dropped ball by Hill.

fontaine 10-22-2012 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster (Post 3704335)
This is kind of why I have lost faith in this coaching staff
The Cardinals showed how to slow them down
Seahawks had success jamming them as well

We came into the game with a Bob Slowick like gameplan
I don't think Del Rio really knows what he is doing

Not true.

Our coverages were changed around a lot.

Go back and count the amount of times Mays attempted to jam Welker or their TEs at the line.

Mays not only missed completely but lost steps in coverage as a result. He wasn't asked to go around in coverage a lot but specifically in between the hash marks over the middle. With such limited area he STILL failed misereably to even jam a guy in Welker who was half his size and failed to keep up with them to make the tackle when they did catch the ball.

Combine that with his awful run defense and it completely changed the shape of our defense.

I don't know about the Cardinals but the Seahawks have one the best collective DBs who are very physical and very good in coverage. Our safeties are not.

Their LBers are also much better in coverage.

maher_tyler 10-22-2012 08:45 AM

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