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KevinJames 10-17-2012 01:31 PM

Wolfe off to a good start
 
JJ Watt (rookie season) through 6 games (started all)

18 tackles, 1 Sack

Derek Wolfe through 6 games. (started all)


17 tackles, 3 Sacks


What do you guys think of Wolfe's play so far? Do you think he has a high ceiling or not?

By comparing his rookie stats to JJ I am in no way saying hes on his level or saying he ever will be I just think they have similar builds and both have high motors.

chickennob2 10-17-2012 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinJames (Post 3700927)
By comparing his rookie stats to JJ I am in no way saying hes on his level or saying he ever will be I just think they have similar builds and both have high motors.

He reminds me of Ed McCaffrey.

2KBack 10-17-2012 01:55 PM

Solid if unspectacular, which for the D-line is a pretty good sign honestly.

Br0nc0Buster 10-17-2012 01:56 PM

I like what I have seen for the most part
Looks just like the guy in Cinci

Gets owned by double teams, but is able to apply some pressure when manned up

Im sure he will get better against the double teams as his technique improves
Also wouldnt help add another 15 lb to help anchor

But that will probably have to wait until the offseason

Kaylore 10-17-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chickennob2 (Post 3700937)
He reminds me of Ed McCaffrey.

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pricejj 10-17-2012 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster (Post 3700944)
I like what I have seen for the most part
Looks just like the guy in Cinci

Gets owned by double teams, but is able to apply some pressure when manned up

Im sure he will get better against the double teams as his technique improves
Also wouldnt help add another 15 lb to help anchor

But that will probably have to wait until the offseason

Wolfe's sack against San Diego, late in the game, on 3rd down...was against a double-team.

10-17-2012 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinJames (Post 3700927)
JJ Watt (rookie season) through 6 games (started all)

18 tackles, 1 Sack

Derek Wolfe through 6 games. (started all)


17 tackles, 3 Sacks


What do you guys think of Wolfe's play so far? Do you think he has a high ceiling or not?

By comparing his rookie stats to JJ I am in no way saying hes on his level or saying he ever will be I just think they have similar builds and both have high motors.

I do not think The Wolfeman's ceiling is that high. I think he could be a quality 10 year lunch pail kind of guy but I do not see many pro bowls in his future

fontaine 10-17-2012 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinJames (Post 3700927)
What do you guys think of Wolfe's play so far? Do you think he has a high ceiling or not?

From the Oakland/SD games where I rewatched games and focused on his individual play:

Cons:
1. He's not a fast twitch, explosive guy off the snap.
2. He's largely not much of a pass rusher so far.
3. Doesn't anticipate the snap and is mediocre in his first step.

Pros:
1. Plays with a very high motor.
2. Strong against the run.
3. Plays A LOT of snaps and doesn't seem to wear down much.


Jack Del Rio does a pretty good job of trying to get him on one on one matchups by shifting him around from place to place.

I think he still has huge room for improvement as a pass rusher though. He does display good closing speed but his initial moves need refinement.

pricejj 10-17-2012 02:22 PM

Derek Wolfe could make the Pro Bowl this year.

He is only 0.5 sacks behind Dwan Edwards and Kyle Williams for the NFL lead in sacks by a Defensive Tackle (excluding Watt).

Smiling Assassin27 10-17-2012 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus (Post 3700954)
I do not think The Wolfeman's ceiling is that high. I think he could be a quality 10 year lunch pail kind of guy but I do not see many pro bowls in his future

you mean like this guy?


http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-c...ngelberger.jpg

cutthemdown 10-17-2012 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus (Post 3700954)
I do not think The Wolfeman's ceiling is that high. I think he could be a quality 10 year lunch pail kind of guy but I do not see many pro bowls in his future

I agree. I loved the pick but there is a reason he was a 2nd round prospect. His athletic ability might have a ceiling. But his work eithic and high motor, like you said, could make him a 10 yr starter for us. A player that isn't all pro, but also isn't a liablity and plays consistently.

I think Broncos still need to look for that big ugly badass to lead the inside of our front 7. I think it could come in the form of either a nasty middle linebacker, or a big nasty DT. But we sort of lack explosion in the middle of our front 7. Vickerson, Bannan, Wolfe decent but none of them strike fear like Miller or Doom, or a Bailey in the secondary etc etc. We need to get a game changing player the patrols the middle of the defense. We are a little soft there.

BroncoMan4ever 10-17-2012 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Br0nc0Buster (Post 3700944)
I like what I have seen for the most part
Looks just like the guy in Cinci

Gets owned by double teams, but is able to apply some pressure when manned up

Im sure he will get better against the double teams as his technique improves
Also wouldnt help add another 15 lb to help anchor

But that will probably have to wait until the offseason

A big DT that can take the double teams and free up Wolfe would be a huge boost to this defense. We finally have a guy capable of generating pressure up the middle, but he is constantly doubled because his DT partners are average at best.

DBroncos4life 10-17-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3700966)
Derek Wolfe could make the Pro Bowl this year.

He is only 0.5 sacks behind Dwan Edwards and Kyle Williams for the NFL lead in sacks by a Defensive Tackle (excluding Watt).

Does that mean Chandler Jones could make it? There is only two DEs in the AFC wit more sacks then him. Also Geno Atkins says hi.

10-17-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27 (Post 3700974)

He wasn't a quality player though.

Rabb 10-17-2012 03:15 PM

He's good and all...no Anthony Gonzalez tho

ludo21 10-17-2012 03:20 PM

Justin Smith - ish?

10-17-2012 03:29 PM

Fantastic start for a DT/DE.

In case you guys have forgotten, rookie DT's generally make minimal, if not, they don't make any impact their first year. That includes top 10 to top 5 drafted DTs.

Combine that with the fact that he's playing 2 positions on the dline (for a rookie)... impressive if you ask me.

He also missed mini camps because of his school graduation date.

It's crazy around here, no one seems to know what the word progression means. I already see people making final judgements on what he is and will be.

He's a rookie... I'm not sure there was any rookie dlineman that was ever effective against double teams. Matter of fact, almost ALL dlineman in the league aren't effective against double teams...

DBroncos4life 10-17-2012 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabb (Post 3701046)
He's good and all...no Anthony Gonzalez tho

Hilarious! Sorry I started a thread about a scrub replacing a bigger scrub :P

Heyneck 10-17-2012 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3700951)
Wolfe's sack against San Diego, late in the game, on 3rd down...was against a double-team.

uhhhh... wolfe plays way more DE than DT...

10-17-2012 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Heyneck (Post 3701068)
uhhhh... wolfe plays way more DE than DT...

That sack was when he was lined up in the DT though. For what it's worth though, he lines up at DE to play containment most of the time (running downs).

10-17-2012 03:46 PM

"Wolfeman" just seems like such an uncreative nickname. It's like calling the "Immaculate Reception" the "Nice Catch." Not as crappy as "The Sheriff" but still pretty bad.

I'm sticking with Methwolfe: The Tiger Shark from the Trailer Park.

SoCalBronco 10-17-2012 03:58 PM

I wonder what it is that makes Derek tick?

enjolras 10-17-2012 04:08 PM

I've payed a lot of attention to him when I've rewatched games this year.

He's a pretty bad defensive end, but a pretty good defensive tackle. On the end he gets swept out of the play and has trouble disengaging to make tackles.

On the other hand, he looks much more comfortable inside and is able to be pretty disruptive. I'd like to see more of Ayers on the outside with him in the middle (we saw a bit of that last week) as I think that is where he's going to be more effective.

gyldenlove 10-17-2012 04:09 PM

He has played more than I expected him to and has been pretty good. I like his versatility, playing inside and outside and against pass and run. I don't put much stock in stats for defensive linemen, but his play on the field has been strong and he seems to be developing.

The defensive front minus the WLB and MLB linebacker positions has been much better this year than in any other year since we cut Trevor Pryce and certainly Wolfe has to get part of the credit for that.

10-17-2012 04:11 PM

Just a reminder that we did lose 2 defensive lineman STARTERS for the season.


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