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Quoydogs 08-04-2012 09:13 AM

OT- Oscar Pistorius is it a fair race ?
 
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So there is no doubt Oscar Pistorius ( The Blade Runner ) is an amazing inspiration to everyone. My question is, is it a fair race ? People are saying the spring legs give him an advantage. What do you think ?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachm...1&d=1344096780

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maven 08-04-2012 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Quoydogs (Post 3630999)
So there is no doubt Oscar Pistorius ( The Blade Runner ) is an amazing inspiration to everyone. My question is, is it a fair race ? People are saying the spring legs give him an advantage. What do you think ?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachm...1&d=1344096780

Well... Isn't that what the paralympics are for?

Quoydogs 08-04-2012 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by maven (Post 3631000)
Well... Isn't that what the paralympics are for?

He races today in the Olympics

DBroncos4life 08-04-2012 09:24 AM

I don't think I ever really imagined a time where I thought people would be asking does a dude with no legs have an unfair advantage over people with legs.

Quoydogs 08-04-2012 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life (Post 3631002)
I don't think I ever really imagined a time where I thought people would be asking does a dude with no legs have an unfair advantage over people with legs.

It's amazing what he has done. He should be an inspiration to us all. But you can see what people are talking about. I think the springs could give you a clear advantage.

DBroncos4life 08-04-2012 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Quoydogs (Post 3631003)
It's amazing what he has done. He should be an inspiration to us all. But you can see what people are talking about. I think the springs could give you a clear advantage.

No other amputee is close to his times with the same legs though.

Jason in LA 08-04-2012 09:37 AM

I'd say that at this point, because he's the only one, it's hard to say that there is an advantage. Seeing that there are many double amputation who run with artificial limbs, and he's the only one who has made it this far, it's hard to see this as an advantage. Now, if there are like 10 of these guys at the next Olympics, then it would seem like this is an advantage. And what happens if a runner without an amputation uses this?

So at this point we really don't know.

TheElusiveKyleOrton 08-04-2012 09:39 AM

I don't think there's a whole lot of spring in those things. He's not getting propelled forward at all, and he's got really excellent running form.

Broncoman13 08-04-2012 10:16 AM

Just watched his run. He doesn't look like he is exerting himself as much as the others. That being said, he clearly is a world class athlete. He puts the countless hours in just like the rest of the Olympians. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it and posting similar times. IMO, he is just an inspirational athlete, hardly a cheat.

Steve Prefontaine 08-04-2012 10:36 AM

The human lower leg has a lot of "spring" by storing and releasing energy in the Achilles, plantar fascia, calf muscles, etc.

I hope his "legs" give him a comparable amount of spring.

Quoydogs 08-04-2012 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Broncoman13 (Post 3631022)
Just watched his run. He doesn't look like he is exerting himself as much as the others. That being said, he clearly is a world class athlete. He puts the countless hours in just like the rest of the Olympians. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it and posting similar times. IMO, he is just an inspirational athlete, hardly a cheat.

I don't think anyone is calling him a cheat. More looking at it as a unfair advantage.

OBF1 08-04-2012 10:57 AM

Imagine if Bolt has his legs removed on purpose and runs a sub 9 second 100 meter... Until that happens, let the man run and live his life long dream without doubts or comments from the haters.

Forget steriods.... Self mutillation will be the next craze for performance enhancement.

Worst thread in a month.

rugbythug 08-04-2012 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Broncoman13 (Post 3631022)
Just watched his run. He doesn't look like he is exerting himself as much as the others. That being said, he clearly is a world class athlete. He puts the countless hours in just like the rest of the Olympians. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it and posting similar times. IMO, he is just an inspirational athlete, hardly a cheat.

Bolt doesn't look like he is trying hard when he destroys either. MJ was cool as a cucumber when he put a dagger in your back. Doing hard things and making them look easy means your are good.

gunns 08-04-2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Prefontaine (Post 3631027)
The human lower leg has a lot of "spring" by storing and releasing energy in the Achilles, plantar fascia, calf muscles, etc.

I hope his "legs" give him a comparable amount of spring.

Exactly and I believe this is what they found when they investigated it and allowed him back in. Sorry, but if we're going to go this far, we could say the black runners have an advantage with a longer Achilles. Any fantasy belief of an advantage is knocked down by the fact they are artificial legs.

SonOfLe-loLang 08-04-2012 03:17 PM

Not to mention, I assume he didn't lose his legs and suddenly got faster with those. Plus there had to be a hell of an adjustment period.

Fedaykin 08-04-2012 03:33 PM

I say good for him. He's engaging in the true spirit of the Olympics: being the best you can be.

Kaylore 08-04-2012 03:38 PM

I would argue that while there probably are some structural and weight benefits of the prosthesis, they probably don't come close to the micro-control that a foot and toes give you. And as it's been pointed out, why is he the only one to be benefiting this much from this technology? That suggests his success is rooted in his athletic exceptionalism. If someone is one of the best in the world, should they be prevented from competitions against their peers because they have artificial limbs? It doesn't seem like they should, but as we advance our technology, we may need to draw some lines...

broncocalijohn 08-04-2012 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DBroncos4life (Post 3631002)
I don't think I ever really imagined a time where I thought people would be asking does a dude with no legs have an unfair advantage over people with legs.

That is not the point. He isn't running with his hands. He is running with special prosethics (sic?) that are very light. I am not sure why he is allowed to run but leave it to political correctness. Just wait until an amputee Afghanistan Veteran white guy that has these same "legs" competes for the 100 yard dash and wins.

That will be proof enough!

He must be fast but it will be hard to tell until a young athlete loses his legs and has to compete like this. No volunteers to do this voluntarily though.

DBroncos4life 08-04-2012 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by broncocalijohn (Post 3631151)
That is not the point. He isn't running with his hands. He is running with special prosethics (sic?) that are very light. I am not sure why he is allowed to run but leave it to political correctness. Just wait until an amputee Afghanistan Veteran white guy that has these same "legs" competes for the 100 yard dash and wins.

That will be proof enough!

He must be fast but it will be hard to tell until a young athlete loses his legs and has to compete like this. No volunteers to do this voluntarily though.

Can you find another legless dude that runs as fast as this guy?

Beantown Bronco 08-04-2012 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CBF1 (Post 3631033)
Worst thread in a month.

Please. Not even the worst in the last 24 hrs.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=106384

It's a legit question and is being debated everywhere right now.

Pontius Pirate 08-04-2012 05:07 PM

Dude was BORN with no legs and is racing against Olympic runners WITH LEGS. Many (no one) people are asking: does the guy with no legs have an advantage? Many (no one) want to know.

cutthemdown 08-04-2012 05:13 PM

You can see his blades build up momentum as he goes. Its a totally different thing going on then real legs. He should not be competing IMO. Its a good story but if he was fast enough to win, he would not be allowed its that simple.

How about someone born without arms using robot arms in the shooting competition. Ones that don't waver etc etc, oh and he has a bionic eye also lol. Just opens up a can of worms IMO.

Pontius Pirate 08-04-2012 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3631190)
You can see his blades build up momentum as he goes. Its a totally different thing going on then real legs. He should not be competing IMO. Its a good story but if he was fast enough to win, he would not be allowed its that simple.

How about someone born without arms using robot arms in the shooting competition. Ones that don't waver etc etc, oh and he has a bionic eye also lol. Just opens up a can of worms IMO.

Totally. And how about someone born without a brain competing in chess using a Terminator T2000 neuralnet processor? Or what if you were mangled in a horrible crime and were put back together as Robocop? Would it be fair for Robocop to compete in Judo? Literally, everyone (no one) is asking these hard-hitting and logical questions.

Lycan 08-04-2012 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pontius Pirate (Post 3631195)
Totally. And how about someone born without a brain competing in chess using a Terminator T2000 neuralnet processor? Or what if you were mangled in a horrible crime and were put back together as Robocop? Would it be fair for Robocop to compete in Judo? Literally, everyone (no one) is asking these hard-hitting and logical questions.

Now I'm picturing Robocop, decked out in Judo gear, crying on the medal stand.

Maybe that will be in the reboot?

missingnumber7 08-04-2012 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3631190)
You can see his blades build up momentum as he goes. Its a totally different thing going on then real legs. He should not be competing IMO. Its a good story but if he was fast enough to win, he would not be allowed its that simple.

How about someone born without arms using robot arms in the shooting competition. Ones that don't waver etc etc, oh and he has a bionic eye also lol. Just opens up a can of worms IMO.

Really??? I guess all the testing that the international T&F Community did to see if he gained an advantage was for not becuase Cutthemdown says he gained an advantage. Its a 400M race...dude still needs to have the aerobic ability to run that distance at that speed. Hats off to him and a large step for athletes with disabilities and people with disabilities in general.


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