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TonyR 03-24-2012 01:17 PM

The Manning offense - Parts 1-6
 
Manning said at his introductory presser that he wasnít going to be the offensive coordinator. Thatís literally true, in the sense that he wonít have that title. He almost certainly will be leading the installation of his own offense, though. John Fox said on Sirius the other day that he expects there to be a collaboration process between what Manning and McCoy like. Translation: Manning's offense will be used.

Manningís offense is the simplest in the NFL, which has the benefit of making it 100% callable from the line of scrimmage, and with every play available. For all the talk about audibling, most teams in the NFL primarily use a check-with-me system. That means that there will be a call made in the huddle, and also a coach-selected second call that should exploit a defense which is aligned well to defend the first call. By doing it this way, the QB can just yell out ďALERT! ALERT!Ē or something to that effect, and switch the play to the alternate call that everybody is expecting. Nothing is given away to the defense, because the check-off play will be something different every time the offense huddles.

The Manning offense (I call it that, because thereís nothing else like it) features about six running plays and 10 pass concepts. Each of those plays will have a number of different code words related to them, so that if I call out GLENGARRY once, and itís an inside run, I donít have to use GLENGARRY again for the same inside run later. I can have GLENGARRY, NEBRASKA, CHATTANOOGA, MARLINESPIKE, and AVALANCHE all mean the same inside running play.

I can also use a lot of dummy words, and have an activating word, which changes by the series. Manning has used that approach over the years. You might hear:
Odd 44, stack, calliope, 52ís the Mike, yellow 13, alert, alert, slide left, extra, reliable, GLENGARRY, maximum, overload right, green 27, set hut!
Most of that doesnít mean anything Ė I just made it up, but letís say Odd 44 means that the defense is in a three-man front and the two DEs are in 4-techniques. 52 is the Mike is self-explanatory. Reliable is the activating word, meaning that the word that comes after it, GLENGARRY, indicates the play call. The rest of it is dummy information. Maybe Manning says slide left, but that doesnít mean the offensive line will. He says overload right, even if there isnít an overload to the right.

Manning is the only QB in the NFL who is afforded the ability to call his own plays at the line of scrimmage whenever he feels he should. Itís worked really well, so thereís no reason to change that. Weíll get into recognition a little later, and how he chooses plays. For now, just understand that itís up to him in those moments when heís barking out random-sounding words, and that some of those words mean things.

Read the whole thing here: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...offense-part-1

GreeleyGrizzley 03-24-2012 01:28 PM

I can't wait to see Manning stand up there and do his thing, in orange! I still can't believe he's a Bronco. It's so great because I've seen him do it week in and week out, victimizing defenses across the league. Let's do it Manning!! I am pumped...

Alright, back to technical discussion of the offense...

Rohirrim 03-24-2012 01:30 PM

That's all well and good, but I'll bet I'll still be sitting there on Sunday thinking, "Snap the goddamn ball!"

I kid. :puff:

I'm looking forward to seeing this operate.

03-24-2012 03:15 PM

It will certainly be better than anything McCoy would be able to manage. I'll say that much.

Cito Pelon 03-24-2012 03:28 PM

This pretty much illustrates what a ridiculous signing this was.

TonyR 03-24-2012 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cito Pelon (Post 3538122)
This pretty much illustrates what a ridiculous signing this was.

How so? Just curious what you mean.

SonOfLe-loLang 03-24-2012 03:33 PM

Yeah. How

KevinJames 03-24-2012 03:34 PM

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UberBroncoMan 03-24-2012 03:36 PM

Was so sick of running on first down every ****ing time for 2nd and long.

03-24-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan (Post 3538133)
Was so sick of running on first down every ****ing time for 2nd and long.

Well now we'll be passing on most first downs so rejoice! ;)

Cito Pelon 03-24-2012 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3538126)
How so? Just curious what you mean.

Manning's not gonna come in here and run some kind of kickass, no-huddle call it at the line offense, no way.

03-24-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinJames (Post 3538129)
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God that has always annoyed me so much. Now I get to watch it every Sunday. We better win a ****ing Super Bowl. That's all I've got to say.

UberBroncoMan 03-24-2012 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinJames (Post 3538129)
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**** do I miss Al Wilson.

He was our Peyton Manning of Defense. Downhill since.

Wish we could get him in to coach up and mentor Irving for the off-preseason.

Cito Pelon 03-24-2012 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang (Post 3538128)
Yeah. How

Manning won't come in here and take off from where he left off 3 years ago. Not gonna happen. Sorry, but it's not gonna happen. He wasn't the kickass guy people like to think of him anyway, except for reg season.

DenverBrit 03-24-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan (Post 3538146)
**** do I miss Al Wilson.

He was our Peyton Manning of Defense. Downhill since.

Wish we could get him in to coach up and mentor Irving for the off-preseason.

Yeah, Al went to TN and knew Manning's theatrics were mostly nonsense.
He would shift the D at the last minute so there would be no time for PM to change the play again.

We really need another Al.

TonyR 03-24-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cito Pelon (Post 3538148)
Manning won't come in here and take off from where he left off 3 years ago. Not gonna happen. Sorry, but it's not gonna happen. He wasn't the kickass guy people like to think of him anyway, except for reg season.

3 year ago? The season before last he passed for 4,700 yards (his best ever) and 33 TD's.

broncolife 03-24-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverBrit (Post 3538199)
Yeah, Al went to TN and knew Manning's theatrics were mostly nonsense.
He would shift the D at the last minute so there would be no time for PM to change the play again.

We really need another Al.

but, but we have Joe Mays:)

Hercules Rockefeller 03-24-2012 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 3538115)
It will certainly be better than anything McCoy would be able to manage. I'll say that much.

Yeah, McCoy was able to run an offense with a QB who couldn't complete 1 out 2 passes and succeed. ****ing moron probably can't do jack with a real QB who can actually throw the ball.

03-24-2012 04:59 PM

The "Peyton Manning Offense" has evolved a lot of his career.

Offhand, I would mark the huddle evolution points as:
- (start of career) regular QB who huddles except under 2 minutes
- started stretching the 2 minute no-huddle into longer stretches when needed
- no huddle all the time

similarly, the play calling has evolved....I only know what the articles said at the time. but it went something like this:
- regular. Tom Moore was calling the plays
- Moore would call in 3 plays, and allow Peyton to choose among them
- Moore would call in an "idea", and Peyton would work with that. Possibly it would be scrapped at the line if necessary
- Moore stopped calling plays, and instead would call in whatever information Peyton and he agreed was most useful. Peyton was basically running his own show.

Actually, I would be a little surprised if the Manning/McCoy agreement was straight "do whatever you think works" right out of the gate. One of Manning's best qualities is that he's been flexible over the years. McCoy and Manning need to come up with a new system, a Denver Broncos system, and a Manning-McCoy system.

Honestly, it could be just about anything and I wouldn't be surprised. I do expect it to be a damn good show though. As fans, we might need a little patience too. Might take a few games to find a rhythm.

bombay 03-24-2012 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon (Post 3538148)
Manning won't come in here and take off from where he left off 3 years ago. Not gonna happen. Sorry, but it's not gonna happen. He wasn't the kickass guy people like to think of him anyway, except for reg season.

Three years ago?

I wonder what happened in 2010.

bombay 03-24-2012 05:02 PM

Whatever happens, Tebow is gone, so it will be about football, not who may get their feelings hurt, whether the OC can invent a high school offense on the fly, etc.


What a relief.

03-24-2012 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinJames (Post 3538129)
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Not sure when this video was from, but Glenn retired after 2006.
To continue on my previous post, this was mid career Manning. You can see they were still showing huddles, which eventually were almost non existant.

Kinda joking, but Saturday and all the linemen often complained that they spent so much time at the line, it was killing their legs and knees. Maybe that's why he went to GB

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3538053)
Manningís offense is the simplest in the NFL, which has the benefit of making it 100% callable from the line of scrimmage, and with every play available.

Very true.

extralife 03-24-2012 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon (Post 3538148)
Manning won't come in here and take off from where he left off 3 years ago. Not gonna happen. Sorry, but it's not gonna happen. He wasn't the kickass guy people like to think of him anyway, except for reg season.

whelp, I'm convinced

03-24-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bombay (Post 3538247)
Three years ago?

I wonder what happened in 2010.

Had to rally to make the playoffs then one n done loss to the Jets in the Wild Card game.

Rohirrim 03-24-2012 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon (Post 3538148)
Manning won't come in here and take off from where he left off 3 years ago. Not gonna happen. Sorry, but it's not gonna happen. He wasn't the kickass guy people like to think of him anyway, except for reg season.

Like the OP says, it's not that complex of an offense. I'm sure the Broncos won't have any trouble with it.


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