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epicSocialism4tw 10-06-2011 11:07 PM

Vontaze for 2012
 
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This guy plus Von Miller? Fuggedabout it.

I'm not sure where he's projected in the draft, but he looks like the second-best prospect of 2012 to me. Watch him take excellent angles to the ball and just blow people up. This is a pure MLB who savors the nasty grit in the wash on rushing plays. He'll get in the gap and blow up an offensive lineman like he's a wide receiver.

I really can't think of another MLB I have seen in recent years who is this much of an old school jaw-buster who plays with this much passion.

Now, I dont get much Pac 10 football here and I have only seen him play a few times, so I don't know if he is consistently this good. Maybe some of you guys who catch him weekly can fill us in.

BroncoMan4ever 10-06-2011 11:10 PM

he is good but plays a little out of control sometimes. gets a good amount of stupid penalties as well. if he can avoid being taunted into committing those stupid penalties and can channel his aggression a little better he can be a perennial pro bowler MLB in the mold of a Ray Lewis which would be awesome in Denver.

his addition would undoubtedly make DJ the weak link in the LB corps.

epicSocialism4tw 10-06-2011 11:10 PM

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epicSocialism4tw 10-06-2011 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever (Post 3320685)
he is good but plays a little out of control sometimes. gets a good amount of stupid penalties as well. if he can avoid being taunted into committing those stupid penalties and can channel his aggression a little better he can be a perennial pro bowler MLB in the mold of a Ray Lewis which would be awesome in Denver.

his addition would undoubtedly make DJ the weak link in the LB corps.

That's not a bad weak link. DJ still has speed and could play OLB.

We'd potentially have the best run defense in the league within 2 years after the draft if Vontaze even became a solid starter type. He looks like a pure run defender with a nasty streak.

epicSocialism4tw 10-06-2011 11:26 PM

The Meanest Man in College Football:

“For every great story you have about Vontaze,” says Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck, “another guy on another team will say he has one better.”

“I know one thing,” says Oregon State coach Mike Riley. “Somebody is taking a blow every play (Burfict is) on the field.”


From near academic casualty to a player former USC coach Pete Carroll whined about upon losing the recruiting battle to Arizona State, Burfict now is arguably the most gifted—and complicated—player in the game.



"...the play against Washington in 2009, when Burfict shot the gap on a fly sweep, knocked the guard off his feet and made the tackle. During film study, coaches replayed the moment over and over in sheer disbelief.



“I swear to God, he decleated a 325-pound guy,” Moos says. “You wouldn’t believe it if it wasn’t on film.”


Or the play last year against Oregon, a game many NFL scouts say defines Burfict’s talent—which lies in his ability to chase and pursue from one side of the play to the other without giving up ground or explosive power—because the Ducks run read option plays where the quarterback reads the defensive tackle and directs the flow of the play away from his pursuit.


Burfict shot the gap, knocking Oregon guard Carson York into the backfield and forcing Ducks quarterback Darron Thomas to commit to handing off to tailback LaMichael James. Burfict then tackled both York and James—460-plus pounds of player—at the same time for a 5-yard loss.

“You’re thinking he can’t do that,” former Oregon center Jordan Holmes says, “and then he does it, and you’re left thinking, Holy cow.”




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This guy idolizes Dick Butkus and Ray Lewis. He's 6'3" 250 and hits like a ton of bricks. I don't think I have seen another player in college hit like this guy. There is so much power in his lean. He's going to make running backs pay in the NFL.

Borks147 10-06-2011 11:34 PM

if we get him, it'd be a shame if Dawkins isnt around anymore - people would look back in awe that those two guys once played on the same team.

Popps 10-06-2011 11:41 PM

Seems like a long time since there was a legit #1 MLB coming out.
I'd love this kind of a pick.

10-06-2011 11:42 PM

I read he might make a run at the Heisman.

Tyrant 10-06-2011 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever (Post 3320685)
he is good but plays a little out of control sometimes. gets a good amount of stupid penalties as well. if he can avoid being taunted into committing those stupid penalties and can channel his aggression a little better he can be a perennial pro bowler MLB in the mold of a Ray Lewis

A little?? ASU beats Stanford last year if Vontaze keeps his cool. He's a massive head case.

However, he and Miller on the same team might literally kill a qb someday.

epicSocialism4tw 10-06-2011 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrant (Post 3320707)
A little?? ASU beats Stanford last year if Vontaze keeps his cool. He's a massive head case.

However, he and Miller on the same time might literally kill a qb someday.

I like that he's a bit of a head case. He plays like he's furious. He's like the real Bobby Bouchet.

Troy Polamalu was criticized in that exact same way at USC. Polamalu too is a really soft spoken guy who flips a switch and becomes the most violent player on the field between the whistles. This guy has that Polamalu mentality in the body of a freak MLB.

I havent been keeping up with draft scouting up to this point, but I can't imagine that he's much lower than 2 or 3 on most people's boards.

epicSocialism4tw 10-06-2011 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Borks147 (Post 3320702)
if we get him, it'd be a shame if Dawkins isnt around anymore - people would look back in awe that those two guys once played on the same team.

I'd love to see he and Dawkins flying at the LOS, just blowing people up.

UberBroncoMan 10-07-2011 02:25 AM

Nate Irving can't be happy about this.

On a side note. Tampa Bay has their 3rd round MLB starting for them. While I like Mays for his hits, he's not a long-term solution.

Ratboy 10-07-2011 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw (Post 3320714)
I'd love to see he and Dawkins flying at the LOS, just blowing people up.

Better than watching some receiver blow right by Dawkins.

SleepingTiger 10-07-2011 08:05 AM

What is more important to a run defense? A great MLB or a great NT/DT. Some of the best run defense in the league feature a great MLB.

goldengopher1976 10-07-2011 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw (Post 3320682)
You wanna bring back the Orange Crush? Here it is:
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This guy plus Von Miller? Fuggedabout it.

I'm not sure where he's projected in the draft, but he looks like the second-best prospect of 2012 to me.
Watch him take excellent angles to the ball and just blow people up. This is a pure MLB who savors the nasty grit in the wash on rushing plays. He'll get in the gap and blow up an offensive lineman like he's a wide receiver.

I really can't think of another MLB I have seen in recent years who is this much of an old school jaw-buster who plays with this much passion.

Now, I dont get much Pac 10 football here and I have only seen him play a few times, so I don't know if he is consistently this good. Maybe some of you guys who catch him weekly can fill us in.


He's #11 on Kiper's "Big Board", who has this to say about Burfict:

Burfict has great instincts, makes plays sideline to sideline and is far more disciplined than he gets credit for. Has a ton of experience and will draw comparisons to many of the elite middle linebackers.

robbieopperude 10-07-2011 08:19 AM

I have been saying for a while this would be the ideal pick for Denver if we fall in that 5 to 10 drafting position. If we end up a little higher I would like to see Elway trade back out of the top 5 and take him. There isn't a DT ranked very highly currently and I don't like reaching on DT's in Round 1. Lets take Burfict and go DT in Round 2.

The other guys on my list are Kirkpatrick from Bama and Janoris Jenkins formerly of Florida if we finish around pick 10. We need to draft D all day this year unless Kalil or Martin are available with our first pick and Burfict is gone.

Houshyamama 10-07-2011 08:20 AM

As an ASU alum I've been watching him closely. Dude is just plain nasty. He's a man among boys out there, very similar to Terrell Suggs in that sense. You just know they're gonna succeed at the next level.

Killericon 10-07-2011 08:22 AM

I don't care where we pick...But I don't understand how anyone, ever, could think we should take anything other than a DT.

FFS, people, it's been forever.

bowtown 10-07-2011 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UberBroncoMan (Post 3320736)
Nate Irving can't be happy about this.

On a side note. Tampa Bay has their 3rd round MLB starting for them. While I like Mays for his hits, he's not a long-term solution.

Yeah I'm sure Irving super depressed about llama's thread on the Mane.

Rabb 10-07-2011 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killericon (Post 3320843)
I don't care where we pick...But I don't understand how anyone, ever, could think we should take anything other than a DT.

FFS, people, it's been forever.

I don't think DT is even top 3 in our immediate needs department right now personally

phibacka31 10-07-2011 08:33 AM

IMO he looks like a player the Ravens will droll over...
I wouldn't mind having some of that...:thumbs:

TheReverend 10-07-2011 08:37 AM

Burfict would be an amazing get and I've loved this guys progress this season as far as discipline and heady play are considered. I do still think it's a matter of time before he loses it and costs his team a game in penalties lol but even then, still a worthwhile top half selection for sure.

But him AND Miller? We'd be every bit as soft vs the pass as we are with Mays and Miller.

Besides, we're going with Luck

10-07-2011 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw (Post 3320682)
You wanna bring back the Orange Crush? Here it is:
<EMBED height=360 type=application/x-shockwave-flash width=640 src=http://www.youtube.com/v/KvcsffTQojI?version=3 allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always">

This guy plus Von Miller? Fuggedabout it.

I'm not sure where he's projected in the draft, but he looks like the second-best prospect of 2012 to me. Watch him take excellent angles to the ball and just blow people up. This is a pure MLB who savors the nasty grit in the wash on rushing plays. He'll get in the gap and blow up an offensive lineman like he's a wide receiver.

I really can't think of another MLB I have seen in recent years who is this much of an old school jaw-buster who plays with this much passion.

Now, I dont get much Pac 10 football here and I have only seen him play a few times, so I don't know if he is consistently this good. Maybe some of you guys who catch him weekly can fill us in.

He won't be a good pro. He is Rey Malauga. His speed is questionable and misses a lot of tackles.

10-07-2011 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killericon (Post 3320843)
I don't care where we pick...But I don't understand how anyone, ever, could think we should take anything other than a DT.

FFS, people, it's been forever.

If there are no standout DT's but you have explosive difference makers, you have to go with the difference maker. Plus, I'd really like to see Bunk get an extension. He's been very good.

Drafting a player to high because you have a need is how you end up with guys like Jarvis Moss.

Inkana7 10-07-2011 10:04 AM

Why would we take him over Andrew Luck at #1?


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