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UltimateHoboW/Shotgun 03-15-2014 05:25 PM


cutthemdown 03-15-2014 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun (Post 4072411)

LOL great cartoon. Sums up the whole thing perfectly.

Fear the Hawk 03-15-2014 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 4074664)
LOL great cartoon. Obscures and distorts the whole thing perfectly.

Fixed it for ya.

barryr 03-16-2014 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun (Post 4074452)

So true, which is why many democrats are running scared, especially if up for re-election in November. Obama stated you keep your doctor and no increase in premiums, which was a lie to millions of people and will be to even more once the employer mandate kicks in, which just so coincidentally Obama keeps delaying. Yeah, his plan is so great, but delays it after elections. Only the dullard liberals can't figure out why. Duh.

nyuk nyuk 03-18-2014 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun (Post 3955874)

First they say prove he lied. Now he's proven to have lied. They still don't care.

I didn't see that coming.

peacepipe 03-18-2014 03:19 PM

Obama’s Gigantic Victory Transforms America as Experts Agree ACA Enrollment is Big Enough


“Six or seven million people doesn’t sound like much in a population of 300 million, but when you consider that the majority of Americans gets their health insurance through employers, and another large chunk is covered by government programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and Tricare, you’re left with 12 million covered in the Individual market and about 48 million uninsured pre-ACA,” said Helen Leis, partner in the health and life sciences practice group at Oliver Wyman, “Six or seven million of that is good uptake after less than six months. We expect to see about 22 million lives on the public exchanges by 2018.

peacepipe 03-18-2014 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by barryr (Post 4074873)
So true, which is why many democrats are running scared, especially if up for re-election in November. Obama stated you keep your doctor and no increase in premiums, which was a lie to millions of people and will be to even more once the employer mandate kicks in, which just so coincidentally Obama keeps delaying. Yeah, his plan is so great, but delays it after elections. Only the dullard liberals can't figure out why. Duh.

What's funnier is that your post along with bozos is BS, no truth to it.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun 03-19-2014 03:43 PM

peacepipe 03-19-2014 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun (Post 4077077)


UltimateHoboW/Shotgun 03-19-2014 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 4077095)

LOL. great come back.

peacepipe 03-20-2014 03:11 AM


Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun (Post 4077213)
LOL. great come back.

What more needs to be said.

barryr 03-20-2014 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 4076380)
What's funnier is that your post along with bozos is BS, no truth to it.

Yeah, because liberal blogs say so LOL

Fear the Hawk 03-20-2014 11:25 PM

Sweet quote by a poster on


Obamacare is better than RepublicansDon'tCare.
Sum it up for me.

barryr 03-21-2014 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by The Lone Bolt (Post 4078215)
Sweet quote by a poster on

Sum it up for me.

Oh, the makes me feel good moment of the day for liberals. Typical LOL Institute a screwed up system, but it makes me feel good we did something. I hope your taxes go up while you feel good about yourself LOL

Fear the Hawk 03-22-2014 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by barryr (Post 4078239)
Oh, the makes me feel good moment of the day for liberals. Typical LOL Institute a screwed up system, but it makes me feel good we did something. I hope your taxes go up while you feel good about yourself LOL

Where do I start here?

I don't consider myself a "liberal."

PPACA is a "screwed up system" to you not to me. IMO it's not perfect but a step in the right direction.

Even if it ultimately doesn't produce the desired results, the POTUS and his party deserve credit for trying to fix the problems of our HC system rather than just ignoring them like the repubs.

cutthemdown 03-22-2014 06:41 PM

republicansdontcare vs Obamacare is halarious.

cutthemdown 03-22-2014 06:42 PM

We had to pass it, to know what was in it, to find out it stinks, but at least we did something.

That sums up the Democratic party right there.

cutthemdown 03-22-2014 06:44 PM

Just think how bad the economy would be with no stimulus. When planet doesn't warm they will say just think how bad it would have been had we not taxed co2 and gave money to solar power and electric cars. Hey at least obamacare is something, what did repubs do? Obama is a joke but Bush started an illegal war and was worst. It goes on and on.

Everything with liberals is an excuse for why things stink.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun 03-31-2014 09:10 PM

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.......? LOL

barryr 03-31-2014 09:20 PM

Liberals like to paint every woman that is a republican as an idiot, yet trot out women like Sebelius. Geez.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun 03-31-2014 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by barryr (Post 4084362)
Liberals like to paint every woman that is a republican as an idiot, yet trot out women like Sebelius. Geez.

Didn't love the pregnant pause...there. The reporter even tried to bail her out by saying that her audio must have cut out. Then she respones "Yes, I heard you." LOL

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun 04-01-2014 09:38 AM

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Rigs11 04-01-2014 11:28 AM

Boehner: GOP ‘will continue to work to repeal this law’

His name was Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf, but you might remember him by his nickname: “Baghdad Bob” (or in you prefer, “Comical Ali”). As those who remember the start of the U.S. invasion of Iraq no doubt recall, he was the unintentionally hilarious Iraqi Information Minister who would tell international journalists how well things were going for Iraq in the war, despite obvious facts to the contrary.

At one point, al-Sahhaf announced, “I triple guarantee you; there are no American soldiers in Baghdad,” as U.S. planes flew over his head and buildings blew up behind him.

Just yesterday, al-Sahhaf came to mind watching Republicans struggle with Affordable Care Act developments. As “Obamacare” had one of its best and most important days to date, GOP leaders nevertheless assured the public that all of the good news is actually bad, that conspiracy theories can explain away the appearance of progress, and they can triple guarantee us that the law is not succeeding.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) shortly after telling Fox News that the White House is perpetrating an elaborate fraud through bogus enrollment data, said on Twitter that the entirety of the ACA “has to be torn down and we need to start over.” Why? Because “Obamacare can’t be ‘fixed.’”

Graham asked that his like-minded allies retweet his message if they agree. The senator has nearly 10,000 followers, but as of this morning, only five people had given him the RT he was looking for. Ouch.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) soon followed.

“The president’s health care law continues to wreak havoc on American families, small businesses and our economy, and as I’ve said many times, the problem was never just about the website – it’s the whole law. […]

“House Republicans will continue to work to repeal this law and protect families and small businesses from its harmful consequences, and that’s why we’re taking action this week to repeal the law’s 30-hour rule that has become a significant barrier to job growth and higher wages. We will also continue our work to replace this fundamentally-flawed law with patient-centered solutions focused on lowering health care costs and protecting jobs.”

Millions of Americans, many for the first time, will have access to affordable medical care. The U.S. system is finally starting to perform as it should, with broad benefits for the nation overall.

And it’s against this backdrop that Republicans’ sole contribution to the health care policy debate is, “Let’s destroy Obamacare anyway.”

It reminds me of the witch scene in “Monty Python and the Holy Grail.” The villagers decide they want to burn a suspected witch, and John Cleese offers proof of her evil ways: “She turned me into a newt.” It’s obvious, of course, that he’s not a newt, leading Cleese to say, “I got better.”

To which the ignorant villagers exclaim, “Burn her anyway!”

There are some parallels to the ACA debate. Republican decided they wanted to destroy the law, citing dubious evidence, which turned out to be wrong. Presented with reality, they shout, “Destroy it anyway!”

GOP officials will have to do better than this. For one thing, fighting to take away health care benefits from millions of families, just because, isn’t the foundation for a credible policy platform. For another, they still don’t have an alternative solution – and they’ve been working on it in secret for nearly five years.

This is getting embarrassing.Ha!

Rigs11 04-01-2014 11:33 AM

Obamacare numbers coming in huge: Here's a guide to GOP excuse-making

Against all odds and expectations, enrollments in health plans qualified under the Affordable Care Act are surging Monday toward -- and maybe beyond -- the 7-million figure projected by the Congressional Budget Office before Oct. 1, when the open-enrollment period began. The deadline for starting enrollment applications for 2014 plans is midnight Monday.

The surge is creating a big problem for the "train wreck" narrative of Republican opponents of the ACA, who have been holding out hope for Obamacare's utter failure. So the excuse-making has begun.

Before we examine those excuses: You will recall that the budget office reduced its projection of enrollments on individual insurance exchanges to 6 million earlier this year to account for the botched launch of, the federal enrollment website. Enrollments blew past that mark days ago. If exchange enrollments meet or exceed the original projection of 7 million despite the loss of some six weeks in website functionality in October and November, that would be a testament to the public's latent desire for effective healthcare coverage.

Photos: The battle over the Affordable Care Act

We won't know the final March 31 tally for days, possibly weeks, but that indispensable enrollment tracker Charles Gaba is projecting 6.78 million exchange enrollments, with a chance of topping 7 million.

That figure covers enrollments in private healthcare plans via and the individual websites offered by 14 states and the District of Columbia. As my colleague Noam Levey is reporting, the Rand Corp. estimates that another 4.5 million previously uninsured adults have signed up for Medicaid in states that expanded that program under the ACA. And about 3 million young adults have obtained coverage through an ACA provision allowing them to stay on their parents' employer plans until age 26.

For Obamacare critics, consequently, the enrollment numbers demand debunking. Here's a bestiary of their arguments for why the figures shouldn't be believed, and explanations of why they're off-base.

"How many have paid?" (Also known as "The statistics are full of deadbeats"): We examined this argument a few days ago. We observed that the concern is probably exaggerated and certainly premature, since many people who enrolled late in the cycle, including those in the March surge, may not have payments due for as much as six weeks after enrollment. Many haven't even received their first monthly premium bill yet.

Figures from states that track this metric, including California and Vermont, show that 85% to 90% of enrollees have paid on time, which secures them the coverage they applied for.

"Most of them were already insured": The argument here is that if we've just moved people from one insurance plan to another, we've just been wasting Americans' time and subjecting them to an onerous bureaucratic procedure as well.

The claim is based primarily on a survey in January from McKinsey and Co., which concluded that only 11% of exchange enrollees had been previously uninsured. A McKinsey survey a month later raised that figure to 27% -- still low, compared to expectations.

The major problem with the McKinsey survey is that doesn't say what its hawkers claim. The survey combines on-exchange enrollments and off-exchange enrollments; the latter are likely to heavily skew figures toward the previously insured because those are people merely signing up again with their existing carriers. The goal of the exchange marketplaces, however, is to reach uninsured Americans, and the McKinsey surveys fail to do that.

The few states that do break out their own numbers, moreover, contradict McKinsey. Kentucky says that some 75% of its exchange enrollees were previously uninsured. New York says that about 60% of its exchange enrollees were previously uninsured. That number has been rising over time, raising the prospect that the March surge will include an even higher ratio of uninsured customers; Gaba, who has calculated a time series of New York enrollments based on the state's monthly news releases, calculates that of enrollees in mid-February, at least 92% had been uninsured.

"'Young invincibles' aren't signing up": This is related to the oft-mentioned threat of a "death spiral" in the insurance market -- if the enrollees are predominantly older and sicker consumers, they'll drive up premiums, which will discourage younger and healthier people from enrolling, which drives up premiums, which discourages, the young, etc., etc.

Federal officials have set an informal target of 40% of enrollments in the 18-34 age range. The latest figures from various states put the enrollment rate at the mid-20% level. But it was always expected that younger people would be among the last to enroll, and reports from the states suggest that's happening.

Even if the statistics remain fixed in the mid-20s, however, the death spiral won't be happening. The Kaiser Family Foundation estimated that even if the young enrolled at only 50% of expected levels, premiums for 2015 would have to be raised a couple of percentage points. That's nowhere near enough to set off a death spiral.

Moreover, as we explained way back in October, the ACA has a corrective to the death spiral written in. It's called risk adjustment, and it works by paying a subsidy to insurance companies that end up with older or sicker customer bases than they anticipated. The money comes from payments made by carriers that end up with favorable customer profiles. Republicans know this arrangement will keep Obamacare stable. How do we know? Because in a majestically cynical move spearheaded by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., they tried late last year to kill it, calling it an insurance "bailout."

"More people got cancellations than signed up": The numbers never supported this claim, and the latest estimates make it even more of a fantasy. It's based on the wave of reports late last year of insurance companies canceling old policies that didn't meet ACA standards, which led to hysterical claims that as many as 17 million Americans were being left uninsured.

Rand's figures support earlier estimates that fewer than 1 million people who had health plans in 2013 are now uninsured because of cancellations. Insurance companies that issued the cancellation notices say they've retained "the vast majority" of their old customers, mostly by moving them into new, compliant, plans.

"The White House is 'cooking the books'": This is the last refuge of scoundrels like Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., who made the claim this weekend on Fox News Sunday while the slack-jawed host, Chris Wallace, sat silently by.

What makes this claim particularly fatuous is that the most encouraging figures don't come from the federal government at all, but from states with their own enrollment programs. The eight states with the best records of signing up their eligible citizens in exchange plans (actually seven states and D.C.), all have their own exchanges and websites. Vermont leads the parade at 83% enrolled. California, which leads all states in number of exchange enrollees at more than 1 million, ranks fourth with a 41% outreach rate.

If the feds are cooking the books, they've cooked them to look worse, not better -- the 36 states that dumped their enrollment responsibilities on the federal government are clustered at the bottom of the list, most of them with enrollment rates of 20% or less of eligible citizens. Many of these are states that actively discouraged or interfered with enrollments of their citizens in health insurance plans -- behavior that should be grounds for impeachment or recall of their governors and legislators.

Of course, even the enrollment of 7 million Americans in ACA exchanges doesn't mean Obamacare is a certified success. There's a lot of work to be done to fix the inevitable flaws in any law as far-reaching as this one. As Noam Levey reported, it amounts to the largest expansion of health coverage for Americans since the enactment of Medicare half a century ago, but many more people need to be signed up in coming years.

The apparent success of the first annual open enrollment period, however, should show Republican naysayers that this law is here to stay, with all its customer-protection provisions intact. It's time they recognized that the rhetoric about Obamacare's failure has gotten them nowhere. It's gotten the country nowhere. It's time for them to get behind the law, to help get their fellow citizens the coverage they need, and to help fix what needs to be fixed.

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