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ZONA 04-19-2007 06:09 PM

NBA - top rated West teams face doom?
 
It's funny how things have turned out for some of the top rated WEST teams to start things off. The Mavs get to play the Warriors, who match up very well and actually could make this a long seriers for Dallas. I think Dallas will win but it won't be easy. The Spurs also face the teams that I think matches up the best with them in Denver. Again, I could see this one going 7. The Suns, now with Amare this year, I think will handle Kobe and company pretty easily, it's done in 4 games. Houston and Utah, I don't know who is the favorite but they will probably go all 7.

NFLBRONCO 04-19-2007 06:15 PM

Spurs vs Nuggets is not a good matchup. Refs will kiss Duncans a** and the Nuggets will only win 1 game. I hope the Nuggs do pull this off but, it isn't likely.

epicSocialism4tw 04-19-2007 06:31 PM

You're delusional.

GonzoLays 04-19-2007 06:35 PM

In other news, GREG ODEN HERE WE COME!!!!! WHOOO!!!!

Nuggets4 04-19-2007 06:40 PM

Dallas wins in 5. I think there will be a close game or two, but not enough to scare the Mavs. I'm more interested in the off-the-court drama.

Suns roll over the Lakers. They're limping into the playoffs. Kobe could score 90 a game and Phoenix should still win. That said, fun series to watch.

Spurs should win in 6. Nugs have the talent to win two, I just hope they do.

Houston should beat Utah. Utah's limping in, T-Mac is determined and Yao is playing some great ball right now.

All that said, every one of those series should be fun to watch. They just won't go 7.

enjolras 04-19-2007 06:42 PM

It really depends on Nene.. if he can prove to be a credible offensive threat he could really give the Spurs trouble. Since Bowen is going to be out on Anthony, Nene could help to collapse the defense and open things up for AI or Kleiza. He may even be able to force Duncan into foul trouble.

He's been playing great for the last 10 games or so... hopefully he'll keep it up.

ZONA 04-19-2007 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by angryllama (Post 1557417)
You're delusional.


......and you're scared. You just won't admit it.

Triplelefthook 04-19-2007 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by enjolras (Post 1557431)
It really depends on Nene.. if he can prove to be a credible offensive threat he could really give the Spurs trouble. Since Bowen is going to be out on Anthony, Nene could help to collapse the defense and open things up for AI or Kleiza. He may even be able to force Duncan into foul trouble.

He's been playing great for the last 10 games or so... hopefully he'll keep it up.


IMO Nene is the X-Factor on both sides of the ball

epicSocialism4tw 04-19-2007 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ZONA (Post 1557513)
......and you're scared. You just won't admit it.

Shakin' in my tennies, there bub.

The Golden State Warriors scare the crap out of me. ::)

This is the same team (but better) that beat San Antonio on their own floor in game 7 last season. They arent afraid of jack, son. You can roll whoever you want out there.

brother love 04-19-2007 07:55 PM

I think the Mavs will win ,but it will be a tough series it'll go 6.
The Spurs will win in 5 over Denver.
Houston will beat Utah in 6
The Suns will beat the Lakers in 7.- This is going to be a better series than people think.

Hotrod 04-19-2007 07:58 PM

Im thinking Dallas only wins 1 in this first round.

You all laugh but Dullas aint making it out of this round

Los Broncos 04-19-2007 08:03 PM

Dallas should handle GS, they play pretty good d.

Los Broncos 04-19-2007 08:04 PM

Dallas v Detroit in the finals, mark it down.

worm 04-19-2007 08:33 PM

Suns were supposed to roll last year over the Lake Show. Didn't quite happen that way.

Suns will win....but not in 4.

BroncoBuff 04-19-2007 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by enjolras (Post 1557431)
It really depends on Nene.. if he can prove to be a credible offensive threat he could really give the Spurs trouble. Since Bowen is going to be out on Anthony, Nene could help to collapse the defense and open things up for AI or Kleiza. He may even be able to force Duncan into foul trouble.

Excellent analysis ... and I agree with you Triple, Nene is the wild card. He has improved each and every week this season. If his game takes a decent-sized jump in this series, Nuggets can definitely win.

AI always raises his game in the playoffs too ...

Rock Chalk 04-19-2007 11:30 PM

H-0town winning it all this year.

T-Mac gets over the playoff hump.

No one can stop Yao.

Its on!

spdirty 04-19-2007 11:36 PM

If the Nugs take it to 6 or 7, Im happy. Just hope the refs arent a contributing factor in the outcome of the series (unless its in the Nuggets favor).

I hope Ginobli pulls his groin. Cant stand that guy.

ZONA 04-19-2007 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by worm (Post 1557608)
Suns were supposed to roll last year over the Lake Show. Didn't quite happen that way.

Suns will win....but not in 4.

Um.........maybe the fact that Amare didn't play at ALL last season might have had something to do with that. People always forget that. Oh wait a minute.........that's right, they didn't have Kurt Thomas either in the playoffs. I guess Boris Diaw was our low post threat because Tim Thomas sure isn't a low post player and Marion is more of a slasher too. I definately think the Suns will have a much easier time with the Lakers this year with 2 really good true post players and low post defenders. I was amazed the Suns made it as far as they did last year with the bodies they had.

Clockwork Orange 04-20-2007 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Triplelefthook (Post 1557523)
IMO Nene is the X-Factor on both sides of the ball

To me, the X-factor for the Nuggets will be the shooting of Steve Blake, JR Smith and Linas Kleiza. The Spurs are going to clog the paint, that's a given. They're going to double Carmelo every time he gets the ball in the post and they'll send extra defenders to cut off Iverson's lanes to the basket. It's going to be up to the aforementioned trio to knock down the open shots they're going to get when the Spurs defense collapses on Iverson & Anthony. If they can do that with some consistency, the Nuggets can make a series of it.

Rock Chalk 04-20-2007 12:04 AM

Sorry Nuggets fans, but you are not getting past any team from Texas, especially the Spurs.

You might have had a chance against those p***Y ass Mavs, but the Spurs are gonna eat you up.

ZONA 04-20-2007 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Alec (Post 1557835)
Sorry Nuggets fans, but you are not getting past any team from Texas, especially the Spurs.

You might have had a chance against those p***Y ass Mavs, but the Spurs are gonna eat you up.

I think the one thing the Nuggets have working in their favor is that both Mellow and Iverson can also shoot great. They don't always have to drive to the hole. They both can spot up and take their defenders off the dribble to.

epicSocialism4tw 04-20-2007 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ZONA (Post 1557824)
Um.........maybe the fact that Amare didn't play at ALL last season might have had something to do with that. People always forget that. Oh wait a minute.........that's right, they didn't have Kurt Thomas either in the playoffs. I guess Boris Diaw was our low post threat because Tim Thomas sure isn't a low post player and Marion is more of a slasher too. I definately think the Suns will have a much easier time with the Lakers this year with 2 really good true post players and low post defenders. I was amazed the Suns made it as far as they did last year with the bodies they had.

I thought Nash was supposed to be able to raise the work production of every member of the franchise? If that's the case than it doesnt matter if Stoudemire is out there or not, right?

Clockwork Orange 04-20-2007 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Alec (Post 1557835)
Sorry Nuggets fans, but you are not getting past any team from Texas, especially the Spurs.

You might have had a chance against those p***Y ass Mavs, but the Spurs are gonna eat you up.

Probably.

Oh yeah, you should probably light a prayer candle in the hopes that T-Mac's chronic back problems don't flare up during the postseason.

Rock Chalk 04-20-2007 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange (Post 1557846)
Probably.

Oh yeah, you should probably light a prayer candle in the hopes that T-Mac's chronic back problems don't flare up during the postseason.

Prayer candles have been lit all season buddy.

(T-Mac + Back Problems) > (Carmelo + AI)* 10

Clockwork Orange 04-20-2007 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Alec (Post 1557850)
Prayer candles have been lit all season buddy.

(T-Mac + Back Problems) > (Carmelo + AI)* 10

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Hey T-Mac! You got one of these? :P

Rock Chalk 04-20-2007 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange (Post 1557857)
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Hey T-Mac! You got one of these? :P

Take a poll of anyone in the league on who they would rather play with: AI, Melo or T-Mac.

It would be unanimous for T-Mac. Because not only is he a baller way better than AI, but he is unselfish and a great teammate.

epicSocialism4tw 04-20-2007 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Alec (Post 1557859)
Take a poll of anyone in the league on who they would rather play with: AI, Melo or T-Mac.

It would be unanimous for T-Mac. Because not only is he a baller way better than AI, but he is unselfish and a great teammate.

Not only that, but they would be guaranteed to go home by at least early May. ;D

Rock Chalk 04-20-2007 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama (Post 1557860)
Not only that, but they would be guaranteed to go home by at least early May. ;D

Yeah yeah, not this year.

Championship this year.

Clockwork Orange 04-20-2007 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Alec (Post 1557859)
Take a poll of anyone in the league on who they would rather play with: AI, Melo or T-Mac.

It would be unanimous for T-Mac. Because not only is he a baller way better than AI, but he is unselfish and a great teammate.

I'll bet the teammates that Iverson carried to the NBA Finals in 2001 would choose AI.

Now, let's compare that to all of the players T-Mac has helped get out of the first round on any of the three teams he's played for in his career.

All none of them. :yayaya:

M-G 04-20-2007 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange (Post 1557833)
To me, the X-factor for the Nuggets will be the shooting of Steve Blake, JR Smith and Linas Kleiza. The Spurs are going to clog the paint, that's a given. They're going to double Carmelo every time he gets the ball in the post and they'll send extra defenders to cut off Iverson's lanes to the basket. It's going to be up to the aforementioned trio to knock down the open shots they're going to get when the Spurs defense collapses on Iverson & Anthony. If they can do that with some consistency, the Nuggets can make a series of it.

I don't think Smith sees much, if any, time in the playoffs. Baring major foul trouble, I think Karl wants to use a 7-man rotation.

Clockwork Orange 04-20-2007 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Man-Goblin (Post 1557865)
I don't think Smith sees much, if any, time in the playoffs. Baring major foul trouble, I think Karl wants to use a 7-man rotation.

I think they're gonna have to use him. Parker & Ginobli are pretty adept at driving to the basket and drawing contact. Well, Ginobli's pretty good at making the officials believe there was contact anyway.

Rock Chalk 04-20-2007 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange (Post 1557862)
I'll bet the teammates that Iverson carried to the NBA Finals in 2001 would choose AI.

Now, let's compare that to all of the players T-Mac has helped get out of the first round on any of the three teams he's played for in his career.

All none of them. :yayaya:

All....let me repeat...ALL of those teams T-Mac was on were paled in comparison to the TEAM AI was on when they got to the finals.

Last year's Rockets hardly counted as T-Mac was out over half the season and they still took the West's best in the Mavs to 7.

DeusExManning 04-20-2007 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama (Post 1557550)
Shakin' in my tennies, there bub.

The Golden State Warriors scare the crap out of me. ::)

This is the same team (but better) that beat San Antonio on their own floor in game 7 last season. They arent afraid of jack, son. You can roll whoever you want out there.

The Warriors have won 5 straight, Nellie knows how to control Dirk, their short lineup will give them problems. This will go seven, I would not be surprised if the Warriors take it, they have played well since their trade. They will be caught looking ahead.

epicSocialism4tw 04-20-2007 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Alec (Post 1557861)
Yeah yeah, not this year.
Championship this year.

Um...probably not. Maybe next year...or something like that.

epicSocialism4tw 04-20-2007 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DeusExShanahan (Post 1557871)
The Warriors have won 5 straight, Nellie knows how to control Dirk, their short lineup will give them problems. This will go seven, I would not be surprised if the Warriors take it, they have played well since their trade. They will be caught looking ahead.

The real Mavericks are going to roll out onto the floor starting this Sunday. The playoff Mavs that clinically took apart the Western Conference last season are better than they were last year.

They chose the Warriors.

Dallas will win in 4 games.

Clockwork Orange 04-20-2007 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Alec (Post 1557870)
All....let me repeat...ALL of those teams T-Mac was on were paled in comparison to the TEAM AI was on when they got to the finals.

OK, let's look at the worldbeaters Iverson played alongside in 2001.

Theo Ratliff, Dikembe Mutombo, Aaron McKie, Eric Snow, Tyrone Hill, George Lynch, Toni Kukoc, Matt Geiger, Rodney Buford, Vernon Maxwell, Jumaine Jones, Todd MacCulloch, Kevin Ollie, Nazr Mohammed, Roshown McLeod, Raja Bell, Pepe Sanchez and Anthony Miller.

Yeah, that was Murderer's Row alright.

M-G 04-20-2007 01:47 AM

I don't really like T-Mac either. I'm not sure what it is but he has always kinda bothered me. Maybe it's because he makes it look so easy out there (when he's healthy) and he almost looks lethargic during the game (right down to that silly, stoner look on his face all the time). I have no doubt he's playing his ass off, but when compared to Iverson, who because of his stature has to play with a reckless abandon, there is just something missing there.

Like Alec, I read the Simmons MVP article on ESPN.com, and I have to say I was really surprised to see what he wrote about T-Mac; to the point that I re-read it to check for sarcasm. I have never viewed him as much a defensive player and always thought he was kind of selfish out there. And sure, if you compare him to Vince Carter he's an angel, but who isn't?

Maybe I'm wrong, a homer, or whatever, but I would take Melo over him anyday (Anthony hasn't even hit his prime yet) and I think it's an absolute joke to even compare T-Mac to Iverson when he was in his prime (when AI's career is over he will be considered one of the top 25 players OAT).

ZONA 04-20-2007 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama (Post 1557845)
I thought Nash was supposed to be able to raise the work production of every member of the franchise? If that's the case than it doesnt matter if Stoudemire is out there or not, right?

Now you're being a retard. He's the reason a team full of guards and small forwards went as far as they did in the first place last year. It's well known by everybody here you hate Nash but don't get all stupid on us now. How well would have Dallas played this year if Dirk missed the whole season and then take away somebody like Dampier for the last part of the season and where are the Mavs then? Take away Duncan and another post player for the Spurs and do they get the West finals? Point Made! This isn't about how good Nash is, it's about how much better the team is suited for a real playoff push with a low post force like Amare.

I hope Dirk goes down during the 1st game of the playoffs and misses the rest of the season and then maybe you might understand what I mean.

ZONA 04-20-2007 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by angryllama (Post 1557875)
The real Mavericks are going to roll out onto the floor starting this Sunday. The playoff Mavs that clinically took apart the Western Conference last season are better than they were last year.

They chose the Warriors.

Dallas will win in 4 games.

Are you talking about the playoff Mavs that collapsed in the finals?

You're making a huge mental mistake if you think Golden State is gonna just lay down for a team they have rolled many times this season. They are getting on a real hot trend over the past month and they have some guys that can flat out score on anybody. They are fast, athletic and can shoot lights out. Matter of fact, I would rather play LA, Denver, Utah, Houston before Golden State. Damn straight.

maven 04-20-2007 02:03 AM

Tim Duncan couldn't have picked a better time to whine before the playoffs. Not only the ref was suspended just before the season ended, the Nuggets are completely screwed in the 1st round in regards to officiating. Spurs win easily. And the refs will help the Spurs easily advance.


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