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Rohirrim 11-01-2013 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecklomaniac (Post 3958077)
I thought the left was supposed to be pro choice. With Obamacare the government limits our choices to only what Sebelius says we need. So in the wisdom of big government 65 year old Nuns have to purchase insurance for maternity care and meth rehab, and erectile dysfunction. This has nothing to do with controlling healthcare costs, just another big government power grab. Keep your laws off my body...

Imagine living in NY City and paying highway taxes when you've never owned a car and used the subway your whole life? Or paying for schools when you have no children? It's despicable.

("Despicable" is one of those words that when I read it, I always picture Dan Dierdork saying it. "Dethpicable.")

BroncoBeavis 11-01-2013 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3958104)
Imagine living in NY City and paying highway taxes when you've never owned a car and used the subway your whole life? Or paying for schools when you have no children? It's despicable.

Public service/property is a fundamentally different animal from socializing individual risk.

Rohirrim 11-01-2013 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BBII (Post 3958157)
Public service/property is a fundamentally different animal from socializing individual risk.

Keeping hospitals open is a public service interest. Health care costs dragging down the entire economy requires the response of the entire society, ergo "socialization."

BroncoBeavis 11-01-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3958162)
Keeping hospitals open is a public service interest. Health care costs dragging down the entire economy requires the response of the entire society, ergo "socialization."

If that were the case, Medicare/aid would pay just as much as private insurance.

The government milks Hospitals for every nickel, now you want to tell me they only care about what's best. LOL

barryr 11-01-2013 05:36 PM

Bottom line is Obama and his admin. lied. Millions are not going to be able to keep the plans they want as promised. Somehow Obama thinks he knows what a "good" plan is or isn't when in reality people's own insurance is none of his business. Obama wants to play God, like a true liberal, and decide what is the best insurance plan. And his defenders look like babbling idiots(yeah, I know, nothing new there) defending this complete fiasco. "Oh, it's working." What total fools. But they need this to work since government looking lost and incompetent ruins their narrative of life, so Obama's media has their cheerleading outfits on and downplaying the stupidity of the website not working and pretending the cancellation letters are just imagination and some right wing conspiracy.

Rohirrim 11-01-2013 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BBII (Post 3958215)
If that were the case, Medicare/aid would pay just as much as private insurance.

The government milks Hospitals for every nickel, now you want to tell me they only care about what's best. LOL

I consider the government "us," or at least that's what I think we should strive for. You consider it the enemy.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun 11-01-2013 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3958381)
I consider the government "us," or at least that's what I think we should strive for. You consider it the enemy.

I actually feel sorry for you dude.

Meck77 11-01-2013 08:09 PM

Saw some serious sparks flying today at the hospital. Was there for a routine sonogram with my wife as she's pregnant. Many mothers were notified that they'd their insurance contract was dropped. The staff told each couple "You can pay $700 if you want the sonogram". One after another walked out. One guy was cussing out the staff and hammering Obamacare.

It's here. "Be careful what you wished for".

barryr 11-01-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Meck77 (Post 3958415)
Saw some serious sparks flying today at the hospital. Was there for a routine sonogram with my wife as she's pregnant. Many mothers were notified that they'd their insurance contract was dropped. The staff told each couple "You can pay $700 if you want the sonogram". One after another walked out. One guy was cussing out the staff and hammering Obamacare.

It's here. "Be careful what you wished for".

The Obama supporters either don't believe such stories or put the blame somewhere else. They are simply tools.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun 11-01-2013 08:26 PM

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Rohirrim 11-01-2013 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun (Post 3958394)
I actually feel sorry for you dude.

Why? Because I agree with Lincoln? Thanks. I'll stay with the company I keep. You can hang with Ted Cruz. Hilarious!

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun 11-01-2013 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3958435)
Why? Because I agree with Lincoln? Thanks. I'll stay with the company I keep. You can hang with Ted Cruz. Hilarious!

Oh this is going to be rich. Please tell us how your veiw of government fits in with Lincolns.

Bronco Yoda 11-02-2013 01:38 AM

Aren't we talking about only 5% of the population here getting notices? Is this incorrect?

Rohirrim 11-02-2013 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun (Post 3958460)
Oh this is going to be rich. Please tell us how your veiw of government fits in with Lincolns.

"Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."

You haven't read the Gettysburg Address? Why am I not surprised?

Meck77 11-02-2013 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda (Post 3958496)
Aren't we talking about only 5% of the population here getting notices? Is this incorrect?

Well originally it was suppose to be 0%.

Now white house claims 5% or 15,000,000.

So if they are claiming 5% you can bet the number is much much higher. Only time will tell.

BroncoBeavis 11-02-2013 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda (Post 3958496)
Aren't we talking about only 5% of the population here getting notices? Is this incorrect?

If you delay the employer mandate and only enforce the individual mandate, its a pretty weak pitch to say "Well, its only affecting that small individual market right?"

What you're seeing is only the tip of the iceberg. And the President's promises already ring hollow.

pricejj 11-02-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3958497)
"Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."

Socialist's lack of basic logic is laughable.


How is deliberately increasing healthcare costs to >18% of GDP, a government "of the people"?

Rohirrim 11-02-2013 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pricejj (Post 3958550)
Socialist's lack of basic logic is laughable.


How is deliberately increasing healthcare costs to >18% of GDP, a government "of the people"?

Keep creating these bull**** associations in order to protect your dogma. It's laughable to watch the Right Winger desperation at work.

barryr 11-03-2013 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Meck77 (Post 3958502)
Well originally it was suppose to be 0%.

Now white house claims 5% or 15,000,000.

So if they are claiming 5% you can bet the number is much much higher. Only time will tell.

No question. Obama made numerous speeches telling people "you can keep your insurance." There were no "buts" included in any of them. And it's not just rich people who are being hurt in this. Many people who can not afford a hike in their premiums are being affected and liked the coverage they had. It is unbelievable how Obama supporters actually think it is their business what coverage you should have and determine if the one you have had is "good enough." Funny how liberals like to proclaim they are the ones for tolerance and getting out of people's lives and protecting rights, yet they support crap like this. Hypocrites.

cutthemdown 11-03-2013 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim (Post 3958381)
I consider the government "us," or at least that's what I think we should strive for. You consider it the enemy.

Give me a break "us" really? What a crock of liberal BS.

cutthemdown 11-03-2013 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda (Post 3958496)
Aren't we talking about only 5% of the population here getting notices? Is this incorrect?

5% of a whole country is quite a bit.

BroncoBeavis 11-03-2013 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown (Post 3958997)
5% of a whole country is quite a bit.

15% uninsured is a travesty of Capitalism requiring Trillion dollar Government interventions to hopefully maybe get it down to 10%.

5% losing their insurance immediately because of that intervention is an asterisk not worth talking about.

misturanderson 11-04-2013 09:46 AM

Are there actually 5% of people legitimately losing their health insurance or are they being automatically enrolled in a similar plan that conforms to what is required by the ACA? Because I got a notice of the latter myself. I'm not losing my insurance, but I am not going to be covered under the same plan I was initially (because it didn't conform to the new standards).

BroncoBeavis 11-04-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by misturanderson (Post 3960431)
Are there actually 5% of people legitimately losing their health insurance or are they being automatically enrolled in a similar plan that conforms to what is required by the ACA? Because I got a notice of the latter myself. I'm not losing my insurance, but I am not going to be covered under the same plan I was initially (because it didn't conform to the new standards).

I don't know about how they're able to roll you into a complaint plan. They might try, but two caveats to look out for (from what I've gathered over the last few weeks)

One, if you're anywhere near subsidy eligible, you shouldn't purchase insurance directly from the company. It has to go through the exchange (which doesn't work) or you can't receive the federal subsidy.

Two, the health networks are potentially much more restrictive than many people are used to. And there's not a lot of good information yet on which providers plans will cover. If you're the kind of person who has a near-intimate relationship with a provider, you'll probably want to do the leg work to make sure whatever they're moving you to (or that you pick on your own) covers the providers you want to see.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun 11-04-2013 10:36 AM

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