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baja 03-24-2013 02:53 PM

Do guns save lives?
 
Does an armed society deter assault and murder?

03-24-2013 03:23 PM

Let's see how long it takes for our liberal contingent to slither over here and empty the contents of their bowels on this thread without remotely addressing the topic and then crying foul if you press them to. I ain't gottuh justifah muhself tew yew!!!

Dr. Broncenstein 03-24-2013 07:06 PM

The point of an armed citizenry is to prevent tyranny.

W*GS 03-24-2013 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3820576)
The point of an armed citizenry is to prevent tyranny.

When?

How?

baja 03-24-2013 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3820576)
The point of an armed citizenry is to prevent tyranny.

Correct. One could say its not just a right but a duty to own firearms.

Dr. Broncenstein 03-24-2013 07:40 PM

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...w_1757239c.jpg

Raise your hand if you wish you had a gun right now.

baja 03-24-2013 07:41 PM

Anyone that loves freedom and knows history will understand this

baja 03-24-2013 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3820586)
When?

How?

Wags I'm curious, how much do they pay you to be a disinformation dispenser on the Internet. Do you really think you are fooling all of us?

Meck77 03-24-2013 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3820595)
how much do they pay you to be a disinformation dispenser on the Internet.

Speaking of which. What happened to LABF? Banned or maybe funding stopped once Obama got elected.

03-24-2013 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3820595)
Wags I'm curious, how much do they pay you to be a disinformation dispenser on the Internet. Do you really think you are fooling all of us?

If he can't respond, he just poops. I wonder if he's part ferret.

Dr. Broncenstein 03-24-2013 07:59 PM

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...-image-001.jpg

What an unarmed citizenry might look like when dealing with a suddenly tyrannical government.

Dr. Broncenstein 03-24-2013 08:05 PM

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~reinh20j/j..._Holocaust.GIF

Put your hands in the air,
Wave them like you just don't care.
Somebody say death camp!

W*GS 03-24-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3820595)
Wags I'm curious, how much do they pay you to be a disinformation dispenser on the Internet. Do you really think you are fooling all of us?

You guys are fooling yourselves enough - you don't need my help.

W*GS 03-24-2013 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3820604)
What an unarmed citizenry might look like when dealing with a suddenly tyrannical government.

What are the odds that our government will "suddenly" become tyrannical?

What makes you think our system and institutions are so weak that they will literally be overwhelmed overnight and we'll wake up under a totalitarian regime?

Why do you hate America so?

W*GS 03-24-2013 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3820587)
Correct. One could say its not just a right but a duty to own firearms.

And those who don't are beneath contempt as betrayers and aiders of despots, eh?

Requiem 03-24-2013 08:23 PM

http://farrit.lili.org/files/farrit/.../Heart_mtn.jpg

Dr. Broncenstein 03-24-2013 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3820617)
What are the odds that our government will "suddenly" become tyrannical?

What makes you think our system and institutions are so weak that they will literally be overwhelmed overnight and we'll wake up under a totalitarian regime?

Why do you hate America so?

Lol. Our government would never act in a tyrannical fashion. Ask the Cherokees about that.

03-24-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3820617)
What are the odds that our government will "suddenly" become tyrannical?

What makes you think our system and institutions are so weak that they will literally be overwhelmed overnight and we'll wake up under a totalitarian regime?

Why do you hate America so?

So for a guy who has a reputation as an American government-hating firebrand screaming about evil imperialism...

Is a blind trusting subject on the home front.

:clown:

W*GS 03-24-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3820623)
So for a guy who has a reputation as an American government-hating firebrand screaming about evil imperialism...

Is a blind trusting subject on the home front.

You're lucky that strawmen aren't actual beings, because your genocide of them is pretty damned horrific.

Requiem 03-24-2013 08:37 PM

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly...3tlmo1_400.jpg

W*GS 03-24-2013 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3820622)
Lol. Our government would never act in a tyrannical fashion. Ask the Cherokees about that.

Or the Navajo, or Sioux, or Cheyenne, or Huron, and so on and so on.

How would you stop such things from happening again with your peashooter?

Have we not learned and evolved as a society and a nation, so that we now have the mechanisms in place to make those sorts of things from happening again quite unlikely?

Or is government something to always be feared and hated, and one best armed oneself to the teeth to ward off its essentially evil nature?

Dr. Broncenstein 03-24-2013 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3820637)
Or the Navajo, or Sioux, or Cheyenne, or Huron, and so on and so on.

How would you stop such things from happening again with your peashooter?

Have we not learned and evolved as a society and a nation, so that we now have the mechanisms in place to make those sorts of things from happening again quite unlikely?

Or is government something to always be feared and hated, and one best armed oneself to the teeth to ward off its essentially evil nature?

Lol. Some of us have learned and have stockpiles of mechanisms to keep those sorts of things from happening.

Requiem 03-24-2013 08:51 PM

You can shear a sheep many times, but skin him only once.

W*GS 03-24-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3820642)
Lol. Some of us have learned and have stockpiles of mechanisms to keep those sorts of things from happening.

Yep, like I said. You think our democratic system is a fragile sham, prone to collapse "suddenly", and that your popguns will keep Hitler II (or Stalin Jr., or Pol Pot #2, or Obama) at bay.

Why do you hate America so much?

baja 03-24-2013 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3820637)
Or the Navajo, or Sioux, or Cheyenne, or Huron, and so on and so on.

How would you stop such things from happening again with your peashooter?

Have we not learned and evolved as a society and a nation, so that we now have the mechanisms in place to make those sorts of things from happening again quite unlikely?

Or is government something to always be feared and hated, and one best armed oneself to the teeth to ward off its essentially evil nature?

Only when they conspire to kill 3000 people they were elected to protect in order to establish a climate of perpetual fear and give trillions to their bankster over lords.

W*GS 03-24-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3820655)
Only when they conspire to kill 3000 people they were elected to protect in order to establish a climate of perpetual fear and give trillions to their bankster over lords.

You misspelled "reptilian" as "b-a-n-k-s-t-e-r".

Do you think that those who aren't armed whilst going about their daily lives are shirking their civic duty?

Those folks in Aurora and the kids in Newtown got what they deserved, then, didn't they?

Dr. Broncenstein 03-24-2013 09:06 PM

I'm not at all surprised that you think cherishing all constitutional rights (and specifically the second amendment) equates to hating America. It's exactly how I imagined you, wags.

baja 03-24-2013 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3820657)
You misspelled "reptilian" as "b-a-n-k-s-t-e-r".

Do you think that those who aren't armed whilst going about their daily lives are shirking their civic duty?

Those folks in Aurora and the kids in Newtown got what they deserved, then, didn't they?

The America you think you live in left the room 11/22/63

W*GS 03-24-2013 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3820661)
The America you think you live in left the room 11/22/63

Thanks, Mr. Stone.

Why do you think the assassination of one single person means America has become rotten to the core and is on the verge of collapse?

JFK wasn't God, and it's pathetic that you mark his death as the beginning of The End.

W*GS 03-24-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3820658)
I'm not at all surprised that you think cherishing all constitutional rights (and specifically the second amendment) equates to hating America. It's exactly how I imagined you, wags.

Nope.

You think only the 2nd really matters - the rest are just fluff and dross, and only your popguns mean anything.

The entirety of the rest of the Constitution and the totality of all our laws is mere piffle and a fragile, weak, and sad joke.

Do you agree with baja that if a citizen isn't packing all the time everywhere, they're abetting tyranny?

baja 03-24-2013 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3820657)
You misspelled "reptilian" as "b-a-n-k-s-t-e-r".

Do you think that those who aren't armed whilst going about their daily lives are shirking their civic duty?

Those folks in Aurora and the kids in Newtown got what they deserved, then, didn't they?

I don't know looking at your avatar I'd have to say you are the one identifying with aliens.

W*GS 03-24-2013 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3820672)
I don't know looking at your avatar I'd have to say you are the one identifying with aliens.

Get over it.

Actually, I'm glad the America of 11/22/1963 is gone.

Do you want it back?

How do you plan to tell minorities, women, gays, and many others to give up the rights they've gotten recognized and protected since then?

Requiem 03-24-2013 09:27 PM

1963 is gone and David Icke's lizard people are raping everybody.

Dr. Broncenstein 03-24-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3820667)
Nope.

You think only the 2nd really matters - the rest are just fluff and dross, and only your popguns mean anything.

The entirety of the rest of the Constitution and the totality of all our laws is mere piffle and a fragile, weak, and sad joke.

Do you agree with baja that if a citizen isn't packing all the time everywhere, they're abetting tyranny?

I have seen in my own lifetime instances where our democratic society based upon law and order has completely broken down. For instance an unpopular jury verdict in Los Angeles, or the aftermath of a hurricane in New Orleans.

W*GS 03-24-2013 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3820682)
I have seen in my own lifetime instances where our democratic society based upon law and order has completely broken down. For instance an unpopular jury verdict in Los Angeles, or the aftermath of a hurricane in New Orleans.

Neither instance was the entire country (or even a more than tiny portion of the whole), nor are lifeboat scenarios the way one lives life properly.

I'll ask again - do all citizens have a duty to be armed, as baja believes?

baja 03-24-2013 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3820663)
Thanks, Mr. Stone.

Why do you think the assassination of one single person means America has become rotten to the core and is on the verge of collapse?

JFK wasn't God, and it's pathetic that you mark his death as the beginning of The End.

Who said anything about it being the beginning the agenda has been alive and well before the Roman Empire. The evil you work for wags has been around for eons.

baja 03-24-2013 09:38 PM

I will give ya the global warming charade was brilliant ....

Dr. Broncenstein 03-24-2013 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3820686)
Neither instance was the entire country (or even a more than tiny portion of the whole), nor are lifeboat scenarios the way one lives life properly.

I'll ask again - do all citizens have a duty to be armed, as baja believes?

You have the right to keep and bear arms. Not a duty. Just like it says in the Bill of Rights. You know, the collection of costitutional amendments that makes you piss your pants upon reading the second part.

houghtam 03-25-2013 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3820604)
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...-image-001.jpg

What an unarmed citizenry might look like when dealing with a suddenly tyrannical government.

The cognitive dissonance you're using with this argument is astounding. Orrrr you just don't know your history and are the poster boy for the need for interdisciplinary studies for science majors.

The German people were actually quite well armed, and the Nazi regime actually expanded gun rights...for everyone except the Jews. I can use the same tired, devoid of intellectualism "logic" to say that all guns should be banned because the non-Jewish gun owners either were unwilling or unable to use their guns to protect their fellow citizens.

But sure, keep using an argument that would get a 10th grader a C- in debate class.

W*GS 03-25-2013 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3820688)
Who said anything about it being the beginning the agenda has been alive and well before the Roman Empire. The evil you work for wags has been around for eons.

The Gorn have been around long enough to develop warp drive...

http://www.geektress.com/images/trek/Gorn.jpg


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