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Fedaykin 03-27-2013 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3822092)
This is basically what I just said. Proficiency with weapons.

No, it's not. You're just being silly trying to claim you were not incorrect. Being proficient with a weapon is not the same thing as being proficient in combat. Whether we're talking militias or people in theaters, proficiency with a weapon is not the primary skill of combat.


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If the people are a fighting force comparable to that of a professional army, I assume you consider the laws outlawing possession of automatic weapons by the people to be unconstitutional. What we are allowed to currently possess isn't remotely what our professional fighting forces have. The feds are trying to outlaw our owning semiauto rifles that fire 60 rounds a minute while our professional soldiers have fully auto rifles that fire upwards of 6,000 rounds a minute.
Once again, the weapons are not important, it's the training, discipline and organization that are the key to what a 'well regulated militia' is. No militia in the history of the world (even the historically effective ones) has been as well equipped as a standing professional army.

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Also, the government doesn't look kindly when the people wish to receive military combat training. To this day they still spy on militia groups who do just that. Illegal? Unconstitutional?
Militia groups that operate legally have no problems. Groups that call themselves "militias" but are just fronts for illegal activity, have, unfortunately, made life more difficult for all parties (legit militias and law enforcement).

Fedaykin 03-27-2013 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk (Post 3822095)
Very relevant and manly response. Cheers.


:rofl: This is a fun game! Spew idiocy all over the thread, then pretend to have the high ground.

errand 03-27-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3820586)
When?

How?

McMinn Co. TN in 1946....Battle of Athens

errand 03-27-2013 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3820622)
Lol. Our government would never act in a tyrannical fashion. Ask the Cherokees about that.


Or those Americans of Japanese descent, who were interned in 1940's....

W*GS 03-27-2013 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by errand (Post 3822174)
McMinn Co. TN in 1946....Battle of Athens

Yeah, I've heard of it.

How does that show that a national revolt by gun-owners will effectively overthrow a tyrannical regime?

Do note, also, that widespread gun ownership is not well-correlated with a healthy civic society and democracy when you look at the entire planet.

errand 03-27-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein (Post 3820642)
Lol. Some of us have learned and have stockpiles of mechanisms to keep those sorts of things from happening.

Exactly....

errand 03-27-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3820657)

Do you think that those who aren't armed whilst going about their daily lives are shirking their civic duty?

Those folks in Aurora and the kids in Newtown got what they deserved, then, didn't they?

Those who choose not to own a gun are free to do so....our right to own a gun is what protects their right to tell us we can't.

As for the Aurora and Sandy hook shootings......too many holes in those "official stories" to know if the "official story" is what actually happened.

errand 03-27-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3820667)
Nope.

You think only the 2nd really matters - the rest are just fluff and dross, and only your popguns mean anything.

The entirety of the rest of the Constitution and the totality of all our laws is mere piffle and a fragile, weak, and sad joke.

the 2nd amendment is what protects the other amendments.....

houghtam 03-27-2013 04:38 PM

I don't know about you guys, but I just have to keep refreshing to see racist errand's genius real time responses as he slowly catches himself up.

Fedaykin 03-27-2013 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by errand (Post 3822181)
Those who choose not to own a gun are free to do so....our right to own a gun is what protects their right to tell us we can't.

As for the Aurora and Sandy hook shootings......too many holes in those "official stories" to know if the "official story" is what actually happened.

What are you implying happened? What holes?

W*GS 03-27-2013 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by errand (Post 3822182)
the 2nd amendment is what protects the other amendments.....

This message brought to you by the NRA.

Note that this does not mean it's true.

W*GS 03-27-2013 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fedaykin (Post 3822184)
What are you implying happened? What holes?

The holes in errand's head from too many games of Russian roulette with a semi-automatic.

houghtam 03-27-2013 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fedaykin (Post 3822184)
What are you implying happened? What holes?

Well for one, the librul media said the aurora shooter was wearing a bullet proof vest but it was really just a tactical vest, so obviously if you take that to its logical conclusion the media just blew a fistfight out of proportion to move along Obama's Nazi gun agenda.

houghtam 03-27-2013 04:47 PM

It is of very, very little surprise to me that the people who are insinuating a government coverup to move along anti-gun agenda are the same people who think the government is coming for their guns.

errand 03-27-2013 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by baja (Post 3820998)
Do you really think 100% of the military and police will turn their weapons on their mothers fathers brothers sisters etc The tyranny always consists of a very small number of people. The power always rests with the people except when the don'r know that or are paralyzed by fear then it doesn't.

Exactly....

Our military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution, and defend it from all enemies foreign, or domestic. The day may come when that domestic enemy that threatens the Constitution is our very own government

errand 03-27-2013 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by houghtam (Post 3821005)
A very small number of people in power with power over a huge military.

Are our men and women of the US military somehow of a higher moral fiber than their German counterparts 70 years ago? No.

The reality is that the vast majority of the population saw increased gun rights, and when the weakest of their society was in peril, the gun owners were not out there fighting for their fellow countrymen, were they? Kind of throws the "benevolent gun owners protecting society from government" argument right on its head doesn't it?

Umm, the German military during Hitler's reign swore an oath to Adolph Hitler, where as our military swears an oath to defend our Constitution......not our government or our president.

errand 03-27-2013 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fedaykin (Post 3821052)
That's what went wrong in 1930s Germany. The German population was not disarmed, it had blinders put on. It was convinced to be PART of the tyranny.


... kind of like you are being convinced, correct?

Fedaykin 03-27-2013 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by errand (Post 3822194)
... kind of like you are being convinced, correct?

LMAO Who am I being convinced to be tyrannical toward? By doing what?

errand 03-27-2013 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS (Post 3821327)
Well, take that to the bank!

Those kids in Newtown got what they deserved, didn't they, because they didn't take their civic duty seriously and arm themselves. Right?

If it even happened at all......

errand 03-27-2013 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverBrit (Post 3821403)
So Brits were only redcoats? Are you really so stupid??

As a citizen, I'm entitled to my opinion, unlike you, most here don't use the 2nd amendment to squash the first.

Now go get me a sandwich!

why would you leave Great Britain which is such a utopia of safety with their gun control laws for the alleged wild wild west of a shoot 'em up ok corral?

W*GS 03-27-2013 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by errand (Post 3822196)
If it even happened at all......

You, gaffe, and baja ought to get together.

If we're lucky, a black hole of idiocy will form and all three of you will be sucked out of existence altogether.

Fedaykin 03-27-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by errand (Post 3822196)
If it even happened at all......

:rofl:

Nutjob, check.

houghtam 03-27-2013 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by errand (Post 3822193)
Umm, the German military during Hitler's reign swore an oath to Adolph Hitler, where as our military swears an oath to defend our Constitution......not our government or our president.

LOL

There goes someone trying to out-German the expert in German again.

The Reichsvereid existed in 1933 before Hitler came to power, too, and it swore allegiance to the constitution. What do you think happened, Hitler sent everyone home and got an entirely new army?

Nope, they just took a new oath. Oaths are worth their weight in gold.

errand 03-27-2013 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyR (Post 3821987)

Dismantling of the myth pushed by gun activists that Hitler's rise was aided by gun control laws:
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news...-the-holocaust

Nobody said Hitler's rise to power was aided by gun control laws...Dr. Broncenstein was illustrating what can happen once people are disarmed...and guess what? the Jews were disarmed by the Nazi's......

Hitler's rise was aided by a media that dished out propaganda and the population being fed lies about what his intentions were. He used the Reichstag fire to assume total control under the guise of protecting the people.

The same kind of **** is happening here in the US....damn near every media outlet is screaming for gun control based on saving the people.....btw has anyone seen the video of Adam Lanza shooting the Sandy Hook school up?

houghtam 03-27-2013 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by errand (Post 3822205)
Nobody said Hitler's rise to power was aided by gun control laws...Dr. Broncenstein was illustrating what can happen once people are disarmed...and guess what? the Jews were disarmed by the Nazi's......

Hitler's rise was aided by a media that dished out propaganda and the population being fed lies about what his intentions were. He used the Reichstag fire to assume total control under the guise of protecting the people.

The same kind of **** is happening here in the US....damn near every media outlet is screaming for gun control based on saving the people.....btw has anyone seen the video of Adam Lanza shooting the Sandy Hook school up?

Woefully uninformed post. You're treading on dangerous ground here, and I'm calling you out and wagering you have nothing more than a 6th grader's understanding of the sociopolitical environment of late 19th to mid 20th century Germany.

What intentions did the Nazi propaganda portray Hitler as having, exactly? What were the coverups? Cite your sources.


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