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Guess Who 10-18-2013 11:27 PM

Chris Clark; Broncos 2nd best lineman
 
The transition has truly be seamless. Frankly this past weekend’s game against the Jacksonville Jaguars was when they had the most trouble keeping Manning on his feet. Clark wasn’t the problem though: according to the grades given out by Pro Football Focus each week, Clark graded out the best of all of the offensive linemen with a 4.3 mark (with anything about a 2.0 being considered exceptional). It was actually the best grade on the entire offense for the day.

For the season Clark has a cumulative grade from PFF of 10.6. Only Louis Vasquez has a better grade on the offensive line with an 11.3. What we’re saying here is that Clark has not just been a competent replacement for Clady; he has been one of the best linemen on the team since he took over as the starter.
Clark deserves credit beyond being an acceptable replacement; he deserves credit for being a big reason why the Broncos have the best offense in the NFL through the first six weeks of the season.


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Guess Who 10-18-2013 11:28 PM

I love back-ups playing like this. Denver needs to resign Franklin or Clark whoever comes cheaper. In hindsight Denver should have just Franchised Clady.

Agamemnon 10-18-2013 11:33 PM

Nonsense PFF citation aside, Clark has been great for us. I think we should seriously consider moving him to RT next season while having Franklin take over for Beadles inside.

Guess Who 10-18-2013 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 3943011)
Nonsense PFF citation aside, Clark has been great for us. I think we should seriously consider moving him to RT next season while having Franklin take over for Beadles inside.

Franklin is 6'7" 350 lbs. I don't think he could play guard as well as tackle. He can't move like Beadles.

ShiftyEyedWaterboy 10-18-2013 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guess Who (Post 3943009)
I love back-ups playing like this. Denver needs to resign Franklin or Clark whoever comes cheaper. In hindsight Denver should have just Franchised Clady.

Pretty sure Clark signed a two year extension just before Clady went down.

If I didn't know any better, I would think Clady never got hurt.

bowtown 10-18-2013 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Guess Who (Post 3943009)
I love back-ups playing like this. Denver needs to resign Franklin or Clark whoever comes cheaper. In hindsight Denver should have just Franchised Clady.

We already re-signed Clark... through 2015. Locked him up a week before Clady went down. Elway just bossing per usual.

Guess Who 10-18-2013 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowtown (Post 3943016)
We already re-signed Clark... through 2015. Locked him up a week before Clady went down. Elway just bossing per usual.

Yeah you guys are right I forgot about that. Too bad it was only a two-year deal.

Agamemnon 10-18-2013 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Guess Who (Post 3943014)
Franklin is 6'7" 350 lbs. I don't think he could play guard as well as tackle. He can't move like Beadles.

He's a better blocker in both phases however, and projected to be a guard coming out of college. Really the only thing Beadles would be better at is pulling. If Louis Vasquez can excel in our blocking scheme at guard so would Orlando Franklin. Besides, Beadles is probably gone next season.

Also where on earth did you get that he weighs 350? He weighs 320.

Guess Who 10-18-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 3943018)
He's a better blocker in both phases however, and projected to be a guard coming out of college. Really the only thing Beadles would be better at is pulling. If Louis Vasquez can excel in our blocking scheme at guard so would Orlando Franklin.

Also where on earth did you get that he weighs 350? He weighs 320.

I am not saying Franklin cannot do it. I have never heard this before. Franklin will want to play OT because they make more money and it is a more important position, convincing him to move inside I think will not be easy.

Also pulling is very important in the run game and screen game, which Beadles is one of the best at, I don't see Franklin being able to get out front on those plays.

Agamemnon 10-18-2013 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Guess Who (Post 3943019)
I am not saying Franklin cannot do it. I have never heard this before. Franklin will want to play OT because they make more money and it is a more important position, convincing him to move inside I think will not be easy.

Also pulling is very important in the run game and screen game, which Beadles is one of the best at, I don't see Franklin being able to get out front on those plays.

I'm sorry, but this whole post just gets a "what the ****?" response out of me.

Guess Who 10-19-2013 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 3943021)
I'm sorry, but this whole post just gets a "what the ****?" response out of me.

Why?

{1st sentence}I have never heard of Franklin being able to play guard. I do not think he would be willing to play guard

{2nd sentence} He might be better at point of attack than Beadles but I do not think he would be able to pull quickly enough on the screens and sweeps that Denver runs.

Kaylore 10-19-2013 12:09 AM

Clark has played well, but PFF is absolute crap.

PFF grades at a .032 on my own made up metric of suckitude. A perfect score is a 1.5 per my magical random metrics.

Guess Who 10-19-2013 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3943027)
Clark has played well, but PFF is absolute crap.

PFF grades at a .032 on my own made up metric of suckitude. A perfect score is a 1.5 per my magical random metrics.

:thumbs: Med would be proud!

Agamemnon 10-19-2013 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Guess Who (Post 3943026)
Why?

{1st sentence}I have never heard of Franklin being able to play guard. I do not think he would be willing to play guard

{2nd sentence} He might be better at point of attack than Beadles but I do not think he would be able to pull quickly enough on the screens and sweeps that Denver runs.

1) Franklin playing guard has been discussed often on this board since the day he was drafted, and many scouts thought he was a better fit at the position. He played both guard and tackle in college.

2) Franklin has shown a good amount of mobility on quite a few outside runs this season. Have you not been paying attention?

Thus my "what the ****?" response. Franklin > Beadles at guard. Period.

Doggcow 10-19-2013 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3943027)
Clark has played well, but PFF is absolute crap.

PFF grades at a .032 on my own made up metric of suckitude. A perfect score is a 1.5 per my magical random metrics.

lolol

Lolad 10-19-2013 04:27 AM

When clay comes back healthy we have trade bait.. Trade Clark for a 1st rd pick!

Guess Who 10-19-2013 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 3943032)
1) Franklin playing guard has been discussed often on this board since the day he was drafted, and many scouts thought he was a better fit at the position. He played both guard and tackle in college.

2) Franklin has shown a good amount of mobility on quite a few outside runs this season. Have you not been paying attention?

Thus my "what the ****?" response. Franklin > Beadles at guard. Period.

I did not say there was not talk of Franklin playing guard I said I was not aware of it. I also was unaware that he played guard in college which is what I stated.

I don't see Franklin getting out on the WR screens the Broncos like to run. Watch the TD against pitt in 2012 I don't see him being able to do that.

That also leaves the issue that I believe there is no way he would move to guard.

TheChamp24 10-19-2013 06:30 AM

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More importantly, this link: http://www.reddit.com/r/DenverBronco...footballfocus/

randerson1184 10-19-2013 06:35 AM

When the FO inked Clark to a 2 year extension before he took the field, I honestly thought it was a move that was solely meant to motivate him & help build up confidence.

After 4 starts, it's pretty obvious what's up.

ColoradoDarin 10-19-2013 06:59 AM

Magazu!

BroncoMan4ever 10-19-2013 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guess Who (Post 3943017)
Yeah you guys are right I forgot about that. Too bad it was only a two-year deal.

Could probably flip him for a high pick this offseason. He isn't going to want to return to backup status and he won't start ahead of Clady or Franklin.

Broncos_OTM 10-19-2013 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Guess Who (Post 3943054)
I did not say there was not talk of Franklin playing guard I said I was not aware of it. I also was unaware that he played guard in college which is what I stated.

I don't see Franklin getting out on the WR screens the Broncos like to run. Watch the TD against pitt in 2012 I don't see him being able to do that.

That also leaves the issue that I believe there is no way he would move to guard.

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CEH 10-19-2013 07:21 AM

We really need a Louis Valsquez thread, He's been the best Olineman to date and Elway robbed SD of a quality starter to boot.

I think he goes overlooked because not once this year have you heard his name call for holding.

randerson1184 10-19-2013 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CEH (Post 3943077)
We really need a Louis Valsquez thread, He's been the best Olineman to date and Elway robbed SD of a quality starter to boot.

I think he goes overlooked because not once this year have you heard his name call for holding.

Yes, Vasquez has been outstanding. I'm curious to see how he'll do at RT if Franklin doesn't start tomorrow night. Dude's been awesome in pass protection at RG.

Gutless Drunk 10-19-2013 07:32 AM

Playbook - Chris Clark

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...oncos-vs-Colts


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