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Broncoblood32 01-20-2018 06:20 PM

Josh Allen versus Chad Kelly as prospects.
 
Just comparing their best statistical seasons in college where they both played a full season.

Josh Allen stats

Mountain West Conference
14 Games
Pass Attempts: 373
Completion %: 56
TDs : 28
INTs: 15


Chad Kelly stats

SEC Conference

13 games
Pass Attempts: 458
Completion %: 65.1
TDs: 31
INTs: 13


I am trying to figure out why Josh Allen is a better prospect than Kelly. Can anyone explain it? Try not bringing up Kelly's attitude. We sort of get it. Heard that for a year. Seems to have been doing all of the right things, so I am not all that concerned about that.

Is it possible Kelly is 6 foot 2 and Allen is 6 foot 5?

Please tell me there is more to it. Please tell me that the fetish Elway is attracted to is not the big factor here.

IndelibleScribe 01-20-2018 06:25 PM

Several issues, Allen is the more physically gifted than the 2.
Allen has less injury concerns and he projects better to the NFL with no off-field issues.

Ole Miss' offense was also not conducive to translating well to the NFL level, for QB's at least.

peacepipe 01-20-2018 06:36 PM

Kelly sucks. He was mr. irrelevant for that reason.

CEH 01-20-2018 06:36 PM

Watch the 6-5 230 lb rocket arm QB move at the 3:13 mark
Plays under center
http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/11/22...w-mexico-2017/

Ratboy 01-20-2018 06:39 PM

It's not about stats, I am not sure why people keep reverting to it. College stats do not translate to NFL production.

Action 01-20-2018 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratboy (Post 5167908)
It's not about stats, I am not sure why people keep reverting to it. College stats do not translate to NFL production.

It does when using accuracy though.

QBs throwing as inaccurate as Allen does historically suck ass outside of like 1 or 2 anamolies decades ago.

BigPlayShay 01-20-2018 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CEH (Post 5167905)
Watch the 6-5 230 lb rocket arm QB move at the 3:13 mark
Plays under center
http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/11/22...w-mexico-2017/

Completed 2 of 8 passes from under center, by my count.

Broncoblood32 01-20-2018 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CEH (Post 5167905)
Watch the 6-5 230 lb rocket arm QB move at the 3:13 mark
Plays under center
http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/11/22...w-mexico-2017/

I didn't see many plays....under center. I watched the first 2 minuted then fast forwarded to that play at 3:13. Nice play...against New Mexico.

Not sure I am not all that impressed to be drafting at NUMBER FIVE though.

I also see a similar offense to what Chad Kelly ran at Ole Miss. Pretty certain the main reason he dropped to Mr Irrelevant was his attitude. Then again, if he was really a good prospect I guess he would have been drafted earlier regardless of his attitude.

Didn't Kelly beat Alabama?

Ratboy 01-20-2018 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Action (Post 5167909)
It does when using accuracy though.

QBs throwing as inaccurate as Allen does historically suck ass outside of like 1 or 2 anamolies decades ago.

Below is a list of all-time leading QBs for accuracy. Accuracy is a very small piece of the puzzle.

https://puu.sh/z66hg/eafdf0ef6b.png

Action 01-20-2018 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratboy (Post 5167913)
Below is a list of all-time leading QBs for accuracy. Accuracy is a very small piece of the puzzle.

https://puu.sh/z66hg/eafdf0ef6b.png

Wrong perspective of what I just said. How about you start listing QBs with sub 60% throwing percentages?

peacepipe 01-20-2018 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Action (Post 5167918)
Wrong perspective of what I just said. How about you start listing QBs with sub 60% throwing percentages?

Sorry,did you think you get to control the narrative? Completion percentage isnít the determining factor.

ShaneFalco 01-20-2018 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broncoblood32 (Post 5167901)
Just comparing their best statistical seasons in college where they both played a full season.

Josh Allen stats

Mountain West Conference
14 Games
Pass Attempts: 373
Completion %: 56
TDs : 28
INTs: 15


Chad Kelly stats

SEC Conference

13 games
Pass Attempts: 458
Completion %: 65.1
TDs: 31
INTs: 13


I am trying to figure out why Josh Allen is a better prospect than Kelly. Can anyone explain it? Try not bringing up Kelly's attitude. We sort of get it. Heard that for a year. Seems to have been doing all of the right things, so I am not all that concerned about that.

Is it possible Kelly is 6 foot 2 and Allen is 6 foot 5?

Please tell me there is more to it. Please tell me that the fetish Elway is attracted to is not the big factor here.

and he played in the SEC.....

Allen vs Alabama would have been hilarious

Allen wouldnt have made it to halftime

ShaneFalco 01-20-2018 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broncoblood32 (Post 5167911)

Didn't Kelly beat Alabama?

Twice.

The top D in college football twice.

AlaskaMagnum 01-20-2018 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broncoblood32 (Post 5167901)
Just comparing their best statistical seasons in college where they both played a full season.

Josh Allen stats

Mountain West Conference
14 Games
Pass Attempts: 373
Completion %: 56
TDs : 28
INTs: 15


Chad Kelly stats

SEC Conference

13 games
Pass Attempts: 458
Completion %: 65.1
TDs: 31
INTs: 13


I am trying to figure out why Josh Allen is a better prospect than Kelly. Can anyone explain it? Try not bringing up Kelly's attitude. We sort of get it. Heard that for a year. Seems to have been doing all of the right things, so I am not all that concerned about that.

Is it possible Kelly is 6 foot 2 and Allen is 6 foot 5?

Please tell me there is more to it. Please tell me that the fetish Elway is attracted to is not the big factor here.

Because one is a head case and the other is not. It was well noted that Kelly had great talent. He was also an idiot. Running on the field at s high school game for his brother sealed it.

He's done a nice job not being an idiot this last year

ShaneFalco 01-20-2018 07:30 PM

he isnt an idiot. Was just immature.

Most college kids are.

At least he didnt get tackled by some police on video.

MamaMia 01-20-2018 07:35 PM

The kid reminds of Phillip Rivers attitude wise. I have no idea how good he will be but he's a gamer.

iforgotmypassword 01-20-2018 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broncoblood32 (Post 5167901)
Just comparing their best statistical seasons in college where they both played a full season.

Josh Allen stats

Mountain West Conference
14 Games
Pass Attempts: 373
Completion %: 56
TDs : 28
INTs: 15


Chad Kelly stats

SEC Conference

13 games
Pass Attempts: 458
Completion %: 65.1
TDs: 31
INTs: 13


I am trying to figure out why Josh Allen is a better prospect than Kelly. Can anyone explain it? Try not bringing up Kelly's attitude. We sort of get it. Heard that for a year. Seems to have been doing all of the right things, so I am not all that concerned about that.

Is it possible Kelly is 6 foot 2 and Allen is 6 foot 5?

Please tell me there is more to it. Please tell me that the fetish Elway is attracted to is not the big factor here.

With this logic every air raid offense in the last quarter century has the best QBís.

Look up Matt Ryanís stats his senior year.

Tombstone RJ 01-20-2018 07:37 PM

Another reason Kelly dropped in the draft was injury. He was injured when the Broncos drafted him. There’s every reason to believe that Kelly’s upside in the NFL is as good as, if not better than Allen’s.

peacepipe 01-20-2018 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 5167929)
Another reason Kelly dropped in the draft was injury. He was injured when the Broncos drafted him. Thereís every reason to believe that Kellyís upside in the NFL is as good as, if not better than Allenís.

Injuries didnít drop him to mr. irrelevant. If his talent was equivalent to Allen he would have got drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round at the latest.

ShaneFalco 01-20-2018 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 5167933)
Injuries didnít drop him to mr. irrelevant. If his talent was equivalent to Allen he would have got drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round at the latest.

yes they did. he got injured at his pro day. and didnt even get invited to combine.

The only evaluation of kelly has been done on tape

or the sports science segment he did before his injuries.

peacepipe 01-20-2018 07:51 PM

If Kelly was that talented some team would not give a **** about injury. D. Thomas was injured, where was he drafted?

ShaneFalco 01-20-2018 07:52 PM

The only real evaluation done on Kelly before his injuries.

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peacepipe 01-20-2018 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco (Post 5167934)
yes they did. he got injured at his pro day. and didnt even get invited to combine.

The only evaluation of kelly has been done on tape

or the sports science segment he did before his injuries.

Doesnít matter, if he had the talent,like a Josh Allen, he gets drafted in the first 3 rounds.

ShaneFalco 01-20-2018 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 5167936)
If Kelly was that talented some team would not give a **** about injury. D. Thomas was injured, where was he drafted?

it was injury concerns and off the field concerns.

both = getting drafted as Mr irrelevant.

ShaneFalco 01-20-2018 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 5167938)
Doesnít matter, if he had the talent,like a Josh Allen, he gets drafted in the first 3 rounds.

yea and tom brady was a first rounder! And Lynch will be a top QB in the draft!

Scouts never miss!


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