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Kaylore 06-23-2012 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar (Post 3610833)
Danke.. that should do it..

always enjoy a pissing contest with man lovers..

Derrick Thomas never scored a TD (this surprised me). What also surprised me is LT never got a safety, to DT's three. The coup de grace is the tackles. LT had over 1000 to DT's 600. DT didn't really play the run. He'd rush the passer first and play the run second.

lonestar 06-23-2012 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud (Post 3610815)
LT played 2 more seasons than DT did. Without those 2 years, DT has more sacks than him.
If DT hadn't died such a tragic young death, he would have easily passed LT in the next year or two in all time sacks.

Another big factor that should play in is that LT didn't have a forced fumble until his last season (3 total), while DT had 41 in his career.

never know what would have happened..

Had DT not been speeding and weaving thru traffic (driving recklessly) it would not have been a tragic young death.. Had he not been paralyzed he would have spent time in prison for manslaughter..

Just like TD had Greise not thrown that pick he may have been the best RB of all time..

man love makes one turn a blind eye..

lonestar 06-23-2012 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3610835)
Derrick Thomas never scored a TD (this surprised me). What also surprised me is LT never got a safety, to DT's three. The coup de grace is the tackles. LT had over 1000 to DT's 600. DT didn't really play the run. He'd rush the passer first and play the run second.

no doubt a great pass rusher, but hardly the best OLB to play the game..

Now if you want to talk about yahoo's that was LT.. From what I remember one of the least gracious guys to ever play the game..

At the time LT was playing in the REAL NFL, DT was playing in the second fiddle AFCW.. maybe even third fiddle..

 

KCStud 06-23-2012 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar (Post 3610833)
Danke.. that should do it..

always enjoy a pissing contest with man lovers..

Your link is actually the one that has the false info. ESPN says he only had 3 FF's.

lonestar 06-23-2012 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud (Post 3610838)
Your link is actually the one that has the false info. ESPN says he only had 3 FF's.

WOw is that all you have, a bad link..

KCStud 06-23-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar (Post 3610836)
never know what would have happened..

Had DT not been speeding and weaving thru traffic (driving recklessly) it would not have been a tragic young death.. Had he not been paralyzed he would have spent time in prison for manslaughter..

Just like TD had Greise not thrown that pick he may have been the best RB of all time..

man love makes one turn a blind eye..

I think it's pretty safe to assume had DT lived he would have gotten the 8 sacks needed to pass LT. The least amount of sacks DT had in a season was 7 and he still had a few years left in the tank.

KCStud 06-23-2012 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar (Post 3610840)
WOw is that all you have, a bad link..

Don't get mad at me because ESPN didn't look at the stat sheet. Pro football reference is wrong too.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...T/TaylLa00.htm

Tombstone RJ 06-23-2012 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud (Post 3610841)
I think it's pretty safe to assume had DT lived he would have gotten the 8 sacks needed to pass LT. The least amount of sacks DT had in a season was 7 and he still had a few years left in the tank.

who knows, but he probably could have fathered 7-8 more illegitimate kids... :thumbs:

lonestar 06-23-2012 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 3610847)
who knows, but he probably could have fathered 7-8 more illegitimate kids... :thumbs:


there is a ZINGER if I ever saw one.

we all know what ASSUME means don't we..

Kaylore 06-23-2012 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud (Post 3610843)
Don't get mad at me because ESPN didn't look at the stat sheet. Pro football reference is wrong too.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...T/TaylLa00.htm

What's hilarious is you just dated yourself, Sheepstud. That you would actually think he only had three is hilarious and also shows you probably never watched LT play a game, which makes your argument complete crap since you've never really seen LT to compare. How old are you, anyway?

KCStud 06-23-2012 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3610878)
What's hilarious is you just dated yourself, Sheepstud. That you would actually think he only had three is hilarious and also shows you probably never watched LT play a game, which makes your argument complete crap since you've never really seen LT to compare. How old are you, anyway?

You haven't seen him play either, or at least you weren't old enough to realize what was going on.

06-24-2012 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by lonestar (Post 3610836)
man love makes one turn a blind eye..

This is signature-worthy.

cutthemdown 06-24-2012 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KCStud (Post 3610838)
Your link is actually the one that has the false info. ESPN says he only had 3 FF's.

The forgot a 3. Don't you think 33 sounds more right? LOL I can remember a few stripped balls on LT sacks in games I watched. No way he only had 3, use your brain. He had what 1000 tackles? Cmon dude use some logic.

Kaylore 06-24-2012 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KCStud (Post 3610882)
You haven't seen him play either, or at least you weren't old enough to realize what was going on.

You're wrong. And as usual you never acknowledge it. You just change the subject.

KCStud 06-24-2012 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3610977)
You're wrong. And as usual you never acknowledge it. You just change the subject.

Did you not put up your wedding photos a few years ago? I'm pretty sure that was you. And you didn't seem that old.

06-24-2012 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe (Post 3607768)
to play devils advocate,Hali has 27 sacks the last 2 seasons 53.5 for his career so far. Von will be better than Hali by far but miller has only played 1 yr.

I couldn't agree more. Hali started out as a DE and (more or less) plays a Derrick Thomas style LB. He has one job - Rush the QB.

Miller will, in time, become the better player however.

KCStud 06-24-2012 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Randall Flagg (Post 3611030)
I couldn't agree more. Hali started out as a DE and (more or less) plays a Derrick Thomas style LB. He has one job - Rush the QB.

Miller will, in time, become the better player however.

He has to stop the run too, and he did a solid job of that last year.

lonestar 06-24-2012 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3610977)
You're wrong. And as usual you never acknowledge it. You just change the subject.

Since I lived on the east coast part of the time during LT's reign of terror and watched all of DT's games against DEN and some of his other games.. I can say there was not a more dominating guy than LT was..


While I would have loved to have DT as a Bronco only because he would have been doing that to other teams and NOT to Us, LT was head above the better of the two..

It is obvious to anyone old enough to have seen the two and that understands the game that defending a chef over a giant is lunacy..

Kaylore 06-24-2012 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud (Post 3611019)
Did you not put up your wedding photos a few years ago? I'm pretty sure that was you. And you didn't seem that old.

You're suggesting I am unable to remember if Lawrence Taylor caused more than three fumbles because I was too young? I was seven years old when I watched the Super Bowl against the Giants. Everyone was talking about how Taylor was going to sack Elway and if we didn't stop him we'd lose. My recollection is he did sack him one time but by and large Taylor was a non-issue. It was the rest of the defense that shut down Elway.

Regardless, a fumble is perhaps the easiest play to recognize. And since I was a teenager when LT retired, I saw him play into my adolescence - in the playoffs and on MNF and SB XXV.

So no, you are wrong. I was not too young to remember if he had more than three fumbles or not. Even if I was, do you honestly think I would assume someone with 145+ sacks and 1000+ tackles would have had only three? I still am shocked you really believed that.

/Cue subject change.

NUB 06-24-2012 01:48 PM

Bad call with the 1/2. You could make the argument that Von Miller was the best linebacker in the entire league last year, not just in the AFCW.

KCStud 06-24-2012 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore (Post 3611059)
You're suggesting I am unable to remember if Lawrence Taylor caused more than three fumbles because I was too young? I was seven years old when I watched the Super Bowl against the Giants. Everyone was talking about how Taylor was going to sack Elway and if we didn't stop him we'd lose. My recollection is he did sack him one time but by and large Taylor was a non-issue. It was the rest of the defense that shut down Elway.

Regardless, a fumble is perhaps the easiest play to recognize. And since I was a teenager when LT retired, I saw him play into my adolescence - in the playoffs and on MNF and SB XXV.

So no, you are wrong. I was not too young to remember if he had more than three fumbles or not. Even if I was, do you honestly think I would assume someone with 145+ sacks and 1000+ tackles would have had only three? I still am shocked you really believed that.

/Cue subject change.

Good for you. You changing the subject away from ESPN failing to have the correct stats is the real story.

You seem appalled by LT not having 33 forced fumbles recognized.
Maybe you should go here and tell them their error.

http://espn.go.com/espn/contact

KCStud 06-24-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NUB (Post 3611064)
Bad call with the 1/2. You could make the argument that Von Miller was the best linebacker in the entire league last year, not just in the AFCW.

Best LB in the league? Are you high?

CEH 06-24-2012 02:08 PM

Miller is already 2nd team All Pro by the AP with a broken hand for 7 games. Next year he's going to replace Suggs on the 1st team with 16 games with 2 hands and two feet

GreatBronco16 06-24-2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud (Post 3611066)
Good for you. You changing the subject away from ESPN failing to have the correct stats is the real story.

You seem appalled by LT not having 33 forced fumbles recognized.
Maybe you should go here and tell them their error.

http://espn.go.com/espn/contact

You know, when I first looked at the link before I made my first reply in this thread, I saw that too. Then I got to thinking and knew that it couldn't be right, so I did a little more research and found out the link was wrong or just failed to include all of his numbers. But me, unlike you, used my head first instead of jumping out and just sounding like an idiot in this thread.

Admit you were dumb, stupid and fooled by the link and just move on with your pathetic life. Geez.

NUB 06-24-2012 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KCStud (Post 3611067)
Best LB in the league? Are you high?

He rushed the passer as well as any sack-specialist in the league and his run-stuffing was impeccable. IIRC, PFF's rating system had him ranked highest last year. That is with a broken hand and the usual rookie fatigue, mind you. A healthy Von Miler is quite clearly one of the best linebackers in the entire league and arguably the best. Anybody who has watched him play should know that already.


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