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epicSocialism4tw
09-13-2011, 02:31 AM
Well, expect a whole lot of spin from the Broncos and the Denver media (Denver Post) after this game. There's going to be a lot of excuses made for Orton.

I'm still unsure about how the Denver Post thinks that their interests are more in telling Broncos fans what they should think instead of investigating stories that appeal to them and finding out information related to what Broncos fans want to know.

Apparently the writers at the Denver Post do not understand in the least why Broncos fans would be upset with Orton's consistent losing performances. They don't understand his red zone woes, don't understand that he racks up his statistics in garbage time, and that he doesn't make big plays or plays in crucial moments.

Orton will rarely get you out to big leads, rarely consistently lead the team on sustained drives, will rarely convert TD's at a high rate in the red zone, will rarely convert game changing plays, etc.

Its like they don't understand that Broncos fans SAW Tebow play three games last season. They SAW with their own eyes an exciting young player who won a game in Elway fashion and made the Broncos competitive. A player who relishes competition, and who makes critical plays. A player who doesn't wilt in the red zone, but excels there.

So the media and the Broncos kept telling us that there was a competition at QB. Lie. There was no competition. They kept telling us how good Orton was and how Tebow was a worse QB than Spencer Larsen. But none of it ever passed the eye test. Tebow never looked that bad and Orton never looked that good. It never looked like there was a QB competition.

Broncos fans understand what Orton is, and they understand that he's not good enough to start over Tebow. Especially in a year where the team is on a trajectory for a poor season and Orton will not be returning. Especially in a year where Broncos fans want something to pull for.

So Denver Post...quit trying to tell us what to think. If you think your job is to control sentiment about the Denver Broncos, then you should be ashamed of yourselves. Do your job and dig up information. Find stories. Tell us why the Broncos didnt improve their team in free agency. Tell us the REAL reason why Orton is playing QB. Tell us why the Fox regime were incompetent at evaluating the offensive line talent and believing that we could run the ball. Do something productive.

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 02:34 AM
The Denver media reports what the Broncos tell them to report for the most part. It's really that simple.

UberBroncoMan
09-13-2011, 02:34 AM
Orton is an average QB. A top tier backup QB. Not a starter.

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 02:36 AM
Orton is an average QB. A top tier backup QB. Not a starter.

He's statistically average. On the field he's just plain bad.

OBF1
09-13-2011, 03:44 AM
Why would anyone read the Denver post... That is like anyone in SoCal reading the behind the times, LA times. No one does.

TonyR
09-13-2011, 06:39 AM
Orton is what he is. He's a mediocre QB. But he's not the primary problem with the offense. The offensive line is.

s0phr0syne
09-13-2011, 06:53 AM
The team can barely line up correctly on offense or on defense. If you think the Orton offense is an "aborton", I can't wait to see how you'd react to Tebow/Quinn behind center trying to figure out where to get all the players even positioned.

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 06:56 AM
Well, expect a whole lot of spin from the Broncos and the Denver media (Denver Post) after this game. There's going to be a lot of excuses made for Orton.

I'm still unsure about how the Denver Post thinks that their interests are more in telling Broncos fans what they should think instead of investigating stories that appeal to them and finding out information related to what Broncos fans want to know.

Apparently the writers at the Denver Post do not understand in the least why Broncos fans would be upset with Orton's consistent losing performances. They don't understand his red zone woes, don't understand that he racks up his statistics in garbage time, and that he doesn't make big plays or plays in crucial moments.

Orton will rarely get you out to big leads, rarely consistently lead the team on sustained drives, will rarely convert TD's at a high rate in the red zone, will rarely convert game changing plays, etc.

Its like they don't understand that Broncos fans SAW Tebow play three games last season. They SAW with their own eyes an exciting young player who won a game in Elway fashion and made the Broncos competitive. A player who relishes competition, and who makes critical plays. A player who doesn't wilt in the red zone, but excels there.

So the media and the Broncos kept telling us that there was a competition at QB. Lie. There was no competition. They kept telling us how good Orton was and how Tebow was a worse QB than Spencer Larsen. But none of it ever passed the eye test. Tebow never looked that bad and Orton never looked that good. It never looked like there was a QB competition.

Broncos fans understand what Orton is, and they understand that he's not good enough to start over Tebow. Especially in a year where the team is on a trajectory for a poor season and Orton will not be returning. Especially in a year where Broncos fans want something to pull for.

So Denver Post...quit trying to tell us what to think. If you think your job is to control sentiment about the Denver Broncos, then you should be ashamed of yourselves. Do your job and dig up information. Find stories. Tell us why the Broncos didnt improve their team in free agency. Tell us the REAL reason why Orton is playing QB. Tell us why the Fox regime were incompetent at evaluating the offensive line talent and believing that we could run the ball. Do something productive.

I was going to "bold" some of the good points in this post until I realized that it was the whole f'ing post.

montrose
09-13-2011, 06:58 AM
Previous post from Rev's Thread:

@wingoz - Trey Wingo
I wonder if all those people chanting for Tebow realized what Orton just did while getting pummeled on every play

@priscoCBS - Pete Prisco
Dumbest thing is Broncos fans cheering for Tebow. Come on

@TonyDRadio - Tony Deisere
Tebow does not lead that drive for a touchdown...stop the talk

@espn4d - Pat Forde
I've been critical of the guy, but gotta give Orton his due for leading that drive in the rain, fans chanting Tebow, Lloyd on sideline.

@natekreckman - Nate Kreckman
Tebow is impervious to a wet football. I think Aquaman is also.

Kaylore
09-13-2011, 07:11 AM
The worst part about Orton is he honestly thinks he's good. Manning and Brady all believe they can not just get better, but significantly better. You listen to Orton talk and he says he "knows he's good" and talks about how he is confident in his ability but doesn't change. They need to have Orton on that Intervention show.

Jay3
09-13-2011, 07:12 AM
New nickname: AbOrton.

Jay3
09-13-2011, 07:13 AM
The worst part about Orton is he honestly thinks he's good. Manning and Brady all believe they can not just get better, but significantly better. You listen to Orton talk and he says he "knows he's good" and talks about how he is confident in his ability but doesn't change. They need to have Orton on that Intervention show.

I think it's his mission in life to be a starting quarterback. That's it. To start. He genuinely feels like he's accomplished something.

Mentally, he just doesn't seem to have an all-consuming passion to win or to get a first down or whatever.

fdf
09-13-2011, 07:14 AM
Well, expect a whole lot of spin from the Broncos and the Denver media (Denver Post) after this game. There's going to be a lot of excuses made for Orton.

I'm still unsure about how the Denver Post thinks that their interests are more in telling Broncos fans what they should think instead of investigating stories that appeal to them and finding out information related to what Broncos fans want to know.

Apparently the writers at the Denver Post do not understand in the least why Broncos fans would be upset with Orton's consistent losing performances. They don't understand his red zone woes, don't understand that he racks up his statistics in garbage time, and that he doesn't make big plays or plays in crucial moments.

Orton will rarely get you out to big leads, rarely consistently lead the team on sustained drives, will rarely convert TD's at a high rate in the red zone, will rarely convert game changing plays, etc.

Its like they don't understand that Broncos fans SAW Tebow play three games last season. They SAW with their own eyes an exciting young player who won a game in Elway fashion and made the Broncos competitive. A player who relishes competition, and who makes critical plays. A player who doesn't wilt in the red zone, but excels there.

So the media and the Broncos kept telling us that there was a competition at QB. Lie. There was no competition. They kept telling us how good Orton was and how Tebow was a worse QB than Spencer Larsen. But none of it ever passed the eye test. Tebow never looked that bad and Orton never looked that good. It never looked like there was a QB competition.

Broncos fans understand what Orton is, and they understand that he's not good enough to start over Tebow. Especially in a year where the team is on a trajectory for a poor season and Orton will not be returning. Especially in a year where Broncos fans want something to pull for.

So Denver Post...quit trying to tell us what to think. If you think your job is to control sentiment about the Denver Broncos, then you should be ashamed of yourselves. Do your job and dig up information. Find stories. Tell us why the Broncos didnt improve their team in free agency. Tell us the REAL reason why Orton is playing QB. Tell us why the Fox regime were incompetent at evaluating the offensive line talent and believing that we could run the ball. Do something productive.

The Bronco's problem is far deeper and wider than the QB.

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 07:23 AM
The Bronco's problem is far deeper and wider than the QB.

You're absolutely right - the problem started with the FO backing this turd.

montrose
09-13-2011, 07:27 AM
BTW, if you wanna hear conversation on the game, Vic & Gary are on the air at www.denverssportsstation.com

Early thoughts from them are that Orton didn't play well but he wasn't the reason they lost - the OL and run D are.

tsiguy96
09-13-2011, 07:29 AM
the OL? was it the OL that folded up when orton had 2 guys wide open right in front of him in the end zone but instead took a sack? or was it the OL or run D the ones that just DROPPED a football untouched? a lot of mistakes were made in this game, but orton made the biggest ones, by far. the ones that literally cost the game.

Blart
09-13-2011, 07:30 AM
I couldn't believe the were chanting Tebow.

TheReverend
09-13-2011, 07:30 AM
BTW, if you wanna hear conversation on the game, Vic & Gary are on the air at www.denverssportsstation.com

Early thoughts from them are that Orton didn't play well but he wasn't the reason they lost - the OL and run D are.

Go smack them with their own mics for being idiots for me, please.

tsiguy96
09-13-2011, 07:31 AM
I couldn't believe the were chanting Tebow.

do you blame them? this is two years in a row weve seen the QB put up great stats yet absolutely suck when hes in the RZ or when the team needs him most. the media cannot be watching the same game as the fans, or atleast to the same level of attention.

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 07:37 AM
do you blame them? this is two years in a row weve seen the QB put up great stats yet absolutely suck when hes in the RZ or when the team needs him most. the media cannot be watching the same game as the fans, or atleast to the same level of attention.

Maybe they're watching the CPU play the CPU in Madden 12?


On a side note - first move this morning was deleting Orton from my Madden 12 franchise.

Broncoman13
09-13-2011, 07:37 AM
Quote:
You're done, Kyle Orton.

It's absolutely unfair to place all the blame on Orton for the bumbling, fumbling, not-ready-for-prime-time performance of the Broncos during Monday Night Football​, when they lost 23-20 to Oakland.

But Orton has lost all credibility with Broncomaniacs.

And John Fox now finds himself in an unusually bad spot after only one loss as the coach in Denver.



Read more: Kiszla: Broncos' Kyle Orton has lost his credibility with bored fans - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_...#ixzz1XoGoJFNh

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 07:38 AM
Quote:
You're done, Kyle Orton.

It's absolutely unfair to place all the blame on Orton for the bumbling, fumbling, not-ready-for-prime-time performance of the Broncos during Monday Night Football​, when they lost 23-20 to Oakland.

But Orton has lost all credibility with Broncomaniacs.

And John Fox now finds himself in an unusually bad spot after only one loss as the coach in Denver.



Read more: Kiszla: Broncos' Kyle Orton has lost his credibility with bored fans - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_...#ixzz1XoGoJFNh

Nobody that needs to care is going to care.

WolfpackGuy
09-13-2011, 07:40 AM
I couldn't believe the were chanting Tebow.

I couldn't believe the chants didn't start after effing up that golden red zone opportunity on the Fade's early fumble.

montrose
09-13-2011, 07:40 AM
What you have to understand about people who earn their living with an opinion, they have a "brand" their name builds to. Because of that, when they make a very strong stance - it's vital to them that they're proven right (even if they have to spin it).

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 07:41 AM
What you have to understand about people who earn their living with an opinion, they have a "brand" their name builds to. Because of that, when they make a very strong stance - it's vital to them that they're proven right (even if they have to spin it).

Which basically means they have to outright lie about what they saw with their own eyes or suffer the wrath of the team their covering.

Steve Sewell
09-13-2011, 07:43 AM
Kyle Orton is who we know he is. Can't make a play when it counts. Can't consistently score in the red zone. As a defense if you can get a consistent pass rush up the middle, he's a sitting duck.

We fans are sitting back watching Cam freakin' Newton light it up in his first start ever in Carolina of all places. He may not look like your prototypical NFL QB but he can make plays when it counts. The Broncos have the same kind of guy rotting on the sidelines for Kyle "can't put up 20 points in a game or score TD's in the redzone" Orton.

I DON'T GET IT.

ChampJesusBailey
09-13-2011, 07:44 AM
The run defense was not great but it sure beats the 300 or whatever yards and 6 YPC or whatever the Raiders averaged last season against the Broncos. They really only gave up two bad runs, the long draw where Champ slipped and the long run after the AbOrton fumble. The defense made enough plays to win the game. Unfortunately they just have AbOrton on the other side of the ball.

TonyR
09-13-2011, 07:53 AM
What you have to understand about people who earn their living with an opinion, they have a "brand" their name builds to. Because of that, when they make a very strong stance - it's vital to them that they're proven right (even if they have to spin it).

So then every single guy in the media is wrong? Again, I'm not defending Orton. He wasn't and isn't good enough. But y'all need to realize there are other problems as well. Frankly I think they're 100% correct that Orton isn't the whole problem and that he unfairly gets all the blame. Which doesn't mean I wouldn't rather see Tebow, because I would.

Archer81
09-13-2011, 07:57 AM
Last night was a greek tragedy. The annoncing was not a whole lot better. I understand that Dilfer has personal knowledge of being booed by the home fans...but do not tell Denver fans they are not smart enough to understand what they are seeing. 2 years and 1 game of the same thing we know what we have with Orton.

Unathletic, uninspired boring football. Orton has no creativity to make anything happen. And for all of this "he makes his reads" he sure as **** locked onto one side of the field all night.

:Broncos:

Archer81
09-13-2011, 07:58 AM
So then every single guy in the media is wrong? Again, I'm not defending Orton. He wasn't and isn't good enough. But y'all need to realize there are other problems as well. Frankly I think they're 100% correct that Orton isn't the whole problem and that he unfairly gets all the blame. Which doesn't mean I wouldn't rather see Tebow, because I would.


No. But he does not exactly overcome other weaknesses on offense. He makes them more glaring. It would probably help the offensive line if our "savvy vet" could get outside the pocket rather than standing in the same spot over and over.

:Broncos:

Broncoman13
09-13-2011, 08:06 AM
The run defense was not great but it sure beats the 300 or whatever yards and 6 YPC or whatever the Raiders averaged last season against the Broncos. They really only gave up two bad runs, the long draw where Champ slipped and the long run after the AbOrton fumble. The defense made enough plays to win the game. Unfortunately they just have AbOrton on the other side of the ball.


Champ Bailey was asked if he saw any progress with the Broncos’ defense:

“None,” he said, shaking his head. “If we don’t stop the run it’s going to be a long season.”


Von Miller on his first Raiders game:

“It was a tough, physical game. I felt like we chances and opportunities, but we didn’t take advantage. I’m sure stopping the run is No. 1 priority on our list.”

TheReverend
09-13-2011, 08:08 AM
Champ Bailey was asked if he saw any progress with the Broncos’ defense:

“None,” he said, shaking his head. “If we don’t stop the run it’s going to be a long season.”


Von Miller on his first Raiders game:

“It was a tough, physical game. I felt like we chances and opportunities, but we didn’t take advantage. I’m sure stopping the run is No. 1 priority on our list.”

Stopping the run should be priority #2.

Priorities:

1. Finding a QB who can play football at a Highschool level and we'll build from there.

2. Stopping the run

3. Working on that "Most sophisticated running game in the league"

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 08:09 AM
Orton reminds me of that tackling bag that is used at the Senior Bowl practices where the d-line goes against the o-line and tries to 'tackle' the bag that never moves.

Broncoman13
09-13-2011, 08:16 AM
Stopping the run should be priority #2.

Priorities:

1. Finding a QB who can play football at a Highschool level and we'll build from there.

2. Stopping the run

3. Working on that "Most sophisticated running game in the league"


I think the defense's top priority will be stopping the run. The offense's top priority will be on running the ball. And lord willing the Team's priority will be on getting Tebow or Quinn ready to play football.

Kyle Orton getting booed off the field isn't good for any of the Broncos. Two-three more weeks of KO and then we can play Quinn for a game or two and have the same thing happen... then they can play Tebow without having to worry about his $$$ escalator coming into play.

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 08:18 AM
I think the defense's top priority will be stopping the run. The offense's top priority will be on running the ball. And lord willing the Team's priority will be on getting Tebow or Quinn ready to play football.

Kyle Orton getting booed off the field isn't good for any of the Broncos. Two-three more weeks of KO and then we can play Quinn for a game or two and have the same thing happen... then they can play Tebow without having to worry about his $$$ escalator coming into play.


Sweeeeeet that means cutting Moreno right?

Archer81
09-13-2011, 08:18 AM
Orton reminds me of that tackling bag that is used at the Senior Bowl practices where the d-line goes against the o-line and tries to 'tackle' the bag that never moves.


The bag has more potential to get out of the way.


:Broncos:

mkporter
09-13-2011, 08:18 AM
Orton reminds me of that tackling bag that is used at the Senior Bowl practices where the d-line goes against the o-line and tries to 'tackle' the bag that never moves.

Not at all. The tackling bag doesn't get the jitters and run forward into the back of the olineman and then fall down.

Gort
09-13-2011, 08:26 AM
Not at all. The tackling bag doesn't get the jitters and run forward into the back of the olineman and then fall down.

on at least one play, i saw Moreno come to a complete stop in the backfield and just wait for the Raiders defense to swarm and tackle him. i think in his head he was juking but in reality, he just came to a stop.

i really don't know what the answer is with Moreno. he can't run between the tackles and doesn't have the speed to get outside. the only thing he seems to do is catch the ball and turn up field, but that only happens once or twice a game because Orton is too busy trying to force the ball to Lloyd. shouldn't a 1st round RB be a weapon? i don't ever think i've thought of Moreno as a weapon since he's been here.

bendog
09-13-2011, 08:40 AM
I predict angylamam will start two more orton threads.

TheReverend
09-13-2011, 09:03 AM
But Orton has lost all credibility with Broncomaniacs.

I'm still wondering why he had any to begin with...

alkemical
09-13-2011, 09:30 AM
I'm still wondering why he had any to begin with...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDqjDDnoQTuwOGJ6y6Zcjl9HTZmUmy2 bDXs2NZdk-vxX9cejXP

I think this guy....had something to do with it. I know I used it a bit much this AM.

But i'm a bit cranky about the level of suck displayed.

I cried, like that indian about litter.

Mountain Bronco
09-13-2011, 09:31 AM
Orton is what he is. He's a mediocre QB. But he's not the primary problem with the offense. The offensive line is.

Totally agree that the Oline is awful, but what helps relieve the pressure of an awful Oline? I will take mobility for $500 Alex. Brady Quinn is far more mobile than Orton, so let him play if Tebow isn't the answer. The second Orton has to move his feet outside of his drop, I cringe.

Rigs11
09-13-2011, 09:35 AM
Orton is what he is. He's a mediocre QB. But he's not the primary problem with the offense. The offensive line is.

quit making sense. thats not what the tebownites want to hear.it's not that our oline sucks,or that our running backs cant run, or that the defense cant stop the run. it's all ortons fault.

Archer81
09-13-2011, 09:39 AM
quit making sense. thats not what the tebownites want to hear.it's not that our oline sucks,or that our running backs cant run, or that the defense cant stop the run. it's all ortons fault.


Yup. Bad things happen in football games. It is made worse when you have a QB completely incapable of overcoming in game adversity.

And btw, Orton's 2 turnovers led to 10 oakland points.

:Broncos:

bendog
09-13-2011, 09:39 AM
quit making sense. thats not what the tebownites want to hear.it's not that our oline sucks,or that our running backs cant run, or that the defense cant stop the run. it's all ortons fault.

I blame God.

Pendejo
09-13-2011, 09:42 AM
I'm still wondering why he had any to begin with...

Hope.

What I don't understand is why some people thought he'd make some miraculous jump towards being an even a serviceable starter in year ****ing 7 of his career. He's been the same lumbering dork since he came in the league.

He's not even particularly accurate for "pure pocket passer". How often does he hit anyone in stride? And that's what he's supposedly good at. He also holds the ball forever. He's indecisive. He's all around poor really.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 09:44 AM
So then every single guy in the media is wrong? Again, I'm not defending Orton.Yes you are. You're just doing it feebly because you saw how awful he was and are still clinging to hope that you can save a little face.

He wasn't and isn't good enough.He never has been. Some of us have seen this for a long time.

But y'all need to realize there are other problems as well.No one, and I mean no one, has said that Orton is the whole issue here. We were fed a bunch of pablum from the FO and media that he, at the very least, wasn't a part of the problems; which is utterly absurd.

Frankly I think they're 100% correct that Orton isn't the whole problem and that he unfairly gets all the blame. Orton is inexplicably immune from blame as far as the national media goes. It's laughable. This game was completely winnable despite everything else, and Orton was inept and unable to make a single play that made a difference. He didn't do any of the things that, supposedly, make him the better option; he missed numerous reads, and didn't take care of the football. And of course he didn't actually make anything happen, because he simply doesn't have that ability.

This team isn't very good, but the loss lies directly at Orton's feet.

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 09:46 AM
quit making sense. thats not what the tebownites want to hear.it's not that our oline sucks,or that our running backs cant run, or that the defense cant stop the run. it's all ortons fault.

Really, then what do you say to the people that don't care whether it's Tebow, Weber or Quinn that replaces Orton?

Common denominator - we want Orton gone and replaced with ANYONE - except Quinn in my case. That guy is just as bad as Orton.

I'd rather see Tebow OR Weber - either or. I'm not a Tebownite or whatever you call it, but I damn sure am not an Orton fan. I've seen enough of him to know that we're a sunk ship with him at the helm.

Drunk Monkey
09-13-2011, 09:52 AM
The run defense was not great but it sure beats the 300 or whatever yards and 6 YPC or whatever the Raiders averaged last season against the Broncos. They really only gave up two bad runs, the long draw where Champ slipped and the long run after the AbOrton fumble. The defense made enough plays to win the game. Unfortunately they just have AbOrton on the other side of the ball.

They also gave up 2 first downs in the weaning moments of the game. We still had a chance if we forced a 3 and out or even a 6 and out but they caved. That was the gut check moment for the D and they blew it. A good team elevates it's play and finds a way to make those stops.

I realize it's a moot point since our offense would still have to do something positive following the stop but whatever.....

zdoor
09-13-2011, 09:56 AM
Really, then what do you say to the people that don't care whether it's Tebow, Weber or Quinn that replaces Orton?

Common denominator - we want Orton gone and replaced with ANYONE - except Quinn in my case. That guy is just as bad as Orton.

I'd rather see Tebow OR Weber - either or. I'm not a Tebownite or whatever you call it, but I damn sure am not an Orton fan. I've seen enough of him to know that we're a sunk ship with him at the helm.


This

Rigs11
09-13-2011, 09:57 AM
Really, then what do you say to the people that don't care whether it's Tebow, Weber or Quinn that replaces Orton?

Common denominator - we want Orton gone and replaced with ANYONE - except Quinn in my case. That guy is just as bad as Orton.

I'd rather see Tebow OR Weber - either or. I'm not a Tebownite or whatever you call it, but I damn sure am not an Orton fan. I've seen enough of him to know that we're a sunk ship with him at the helm.

people always scream for the backup when the starter sucks.quit acting like tebow is some ungodly player that can fix all our problems.

Pendejo
09-13-2011, 09:57 AM
quit making sense. thats not what the tebownites want to hear.it's not that our oline sucks,or that our running backs cant run, or that the defense cant stop the run. it's all ortons fault.

The defense gave up 23 points...10 off of turnovers that were all on Orton.

The Donks ran the ball 13 times last night. Orton had chances to make something happen, but couldn't as he lacks the skills necessary. But he does have the built in excuse of being completely inept. They put the game on his shoulders, and he wilted because he can't hack it.

Denver didn't lose solely because Orton sucks, but it's huge part of it. I know the Fade have a solid D, but he has to find a way to put more than 10 points on the board. You're kidding yourself if you don't think the opportunities were there last night. Orton flat out poo'd the bed...again.

Maximus
09-13-2011, 10:05 AM
The worst part about Orton is he honestly thinks he's good. Manning and Brady all believe they can not just get better, but significantly better. You listen to Orton talk and he says he "knows he's good" and talks about how he is confident in his ability but doesn't change. They need to have Orton on that Intervention show.

Give him an offensive line with a running game that he can rely on and maybe you wouldn't put so much of the failure on him. It feels great to have 2 feature backs that will get the job done when things are shaky. When ever Campbell is out of rhythm... guess what is coming... The Hammer is comming! Imagine the conversation in his helmet. Ok Jason settle down just turn around and hand it to McFadden or Bush. Orton doesn't have that luxury.

Tombstone RJ
09-13-2011, 10:08 AM
Give him an offensive line with a running game that he can rely on and maybe you wouldn't put so much of the failure on him. It feels great to have 2 feature backs that will get the job done when things are shaky. When ever Campbell is out of rhythm... guess what is coming... The Hammer is comming! Imagine the conversation in his helmet. Ok Jason settle down just turn around and hand it to McFadden or Bush. Orton doesn't have that luxury.

football aint fuggen rocket science. If you don't have a run game worth a **** this means the defense is gonna bring the fuggen house on almost every play.

thats-when-you-need-a-mobil-qb

You don't need a statue who holds onto the ball way to long and then dumps it off to a RB 10 yards behind the first down marker.

that's what losers do.

ward63
09-13-2011, 10:12 AM
Orton is an average quarterback at best! He is not a leader or a playmaker! We are going nowhere with him. Also, look at his record in his last 14 games...3-11. 11-19 since he became the starter (i may be wrong). Either way, we need a new guy at the helm. Let Bowlen pay either Quinn or Tebow to play and see what we have in them.

maher_tyler
09-13-2011, 10:16 AM
quit making sense. thats not what the tebownites want to hear.it's not that our oline sucks,or that our running backs cant run, or that the defense cant stop the run. it's all ortons fault.

Unreal. Orton sucks dude, bad. The D made some stops and gave the O opportunities. Orton had Fells WIDE OPEN, what does he do...drop the f'n ball!! He has the worst pocket awareness i've ever seen! There were times he had more than enough time to throw the ball. On the Seymore(sp) sack, he literally stepped up right into him, all Seymore had to do was disengage from his block. More shoelace sacks! More ****ting the bed in the redzone. Not sure how anyone at this point can sit and make any more excuses for him. I'm tired of watching this clown!

Maximus
09-13-2011, 10:38 AM
football aint fuggen rocket science. If you don't have a run game worth a **** this means the defense is gonna bring the fuggen house on almost every play.

thats-when-you-need-a-mobil-qb

You don't need a statue who holds onto the ball way to long and then dumps it off to a RB 10 yards behind the first down marker.

that's what losers do.

True it's not rocket science. What would a mobile QB do to improve the Run Defense or the poor play of the right side of your OLine. Wimbley was owning #74 all night long and Tommy Kelly beat the living **** out of Kuper! If you bring in the Hero I won't mention his name because HeBlows. All he offers is 1 look down field and then he pulls it down and runs. You can't win like that either.

The solution is having a running game that allows your young blockers to develop some confidence in doing something right. A running game gives the QB a breather. A running game keeps the defense in check! Scrambling for the sake of scrambling throws the entire offense out of sync. It looks good and its exciting for the fans but it will not win games on consistent basis.

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 10:39 AM
people always scream for the backup when the starter sucks.quit acting like tebow is some ungodly player that can fix all our problems.

Dumbass - i'm not calling for Tebow. I'm calling for anyone other than Orton. Orton is probably the 3rd best option we have on this team for QB, that's what he has shown us.

Maximus
09-13-2011, 10:40 AM
Orton is an average quarterback at best! He is not a leader or a playmaker! We are going nowhere with him. Also, look at his record in his last 14 games...3-11. 11-19 since he became the starter (i may be wrong). Either way, we need a new guy at the helm. Let Bowlen pay either Quinn or Tebow to play and see what we have in them.

How many 100 yard rushing games were there in that same statistical time frame?

Rigs11
09-13-2011, 10:44 AM
Dumbass - i'm not calling for Tebow. I'm calling for anyone other than Orton. Orton is probably the 3rd best option we have on this team for QB, that's what he has shown us.

relax nancy.Ha!

Tombstone RJ
09-13-2011, 10:44 AM
True it's not rocket science. What would a mobile QB do to improve the Run Defense or the poor play of the right side of your OLine. Wimbley was owning #74 all night long and Tommy Kelly beat the living **** out of Kuper! If you bring in the Hero I won't mention his name because HeBlows. All he offers is 1 look down field and then he pulls it down and runs. You can't win like that either.

The solution is having a running game that allows your young blockers to develop some confidence in doing something right. A running game gives the QB a breather. A running game keeps the defense in check! Scrambling for the sake of scrambling throws the entire offense out of sync. It looks good and its exciting for the fans but it will not win games on consistent basis.

We all know the Broncos run defense is not it's strength due to the enterior dline so it's not like you are saying something we don't already know. #74 on the oline is a rookie and Kuper didn't have a good game but he's a good interior lineman.

Yah, the Broncos need a running game this is no secret. But until the running game actually works, it's better to have a mobil QB who can make plays when the pocket breaks down. I know you don't want the Broncos to start Tebow because he's the best chance the Broncos have to win.

Maximus
09-13-2011, 10:45 AM
Unreal. Orton sucks dude, bad. On the Seymore(sp) sack, he literally stepped up right into him, all Seymore had to do was disengage from his block.

But it's Ortons fault that Seymour was able to actually disengage from the block??? It wasn't Walton's fault then?

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 10:47 AM
Originally Posted by Rigs11 View Post
quit making sense. thats not what the tebownites want to hear.it's not that our oline sucks,or that our running backs cant run, or that the defense cant stop the run. it's all ortons fault.
Really, then what do you say to the people that don't care whether it's Tebow, Weber or Quinn that replaces Orton?

Common denominator - we want Orton gone and replaced with ANYONE - except Quinn in my case. That guy is just as bad as Orton.

I'd rather see Tebow OR Weber - either or. I'm not a Tebownite or whatever you call it, but I damn sure am not an Orton fan. I've seen enough of him to know that we're a sunk ship with him at the helm.

And your response was:

people always scream for the backup when the starter sucks.quit acting like tebow is some ungodly player that can fix all our problems.

You completely dodged the question. Is that considered a deflection or was it a Kyle Orton'ish reply under pressure?

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 10:57 AM
I honestly can't believe there are still people apologizing for Orton. Honestly.

Maximus
09-13-2011, 10:57 AM
We all know the Broncos run defense is not it's strength due to the enterior dline so it's not like you are saying something we don't already know. #74 on the oline is a rookie and Kuper didn't have a good game but he's a good interior lineman.

Yah, the Broncos need a running game this is no secret. But until the running game actually works, it's better to have a mobil QB who can make plays when the pocket breaks down. I know you don't want the Broncos to start Tebow because he's the best chance the Broncos have to win.

Two points Tombstone First, IMO Kuper had a bad game because #74 couldn't handle his assignments. If he could have handled his stuff better its possible that Kuper could have redirected Kelly sometimes. Wimbley had Franklin (I think) off of the charts, there was nobody to help Kuper. Seymour was killing Walton. Kuper was on an island and he played ok for what its worth.

Second, I would rather see the Hero play against us. He doesn't have the skills to take advantage of our safety's or consistently hit a WR against or CB's. He would have resembled NoShow trying to make it to the outside of our defense. I worry more about Orton sitting in the pocket and passing the ball. Any QB who has time will destroy a defense if they are accurate.

DrFate
09-13-2011, 10:58 AM
The national media is worse - Mike and Mike this AM were WAY off target as well, saying that if Orton got benched Quinn would come in. And Golic was going nuts on 'Orton gives them the best chance to win'.

I'I guess they missed the last pre-season game...

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 11:01 AM
But it's Ortons fault that Seymour was able to actually disengage from the block???
Yes. Walton was engaged inside Seymour's left shoulder. Orton ran directly to Seymour's right shoulder. If Orton moves to Waltons's right, there's no way for Seymour to disengage and still make a play.

Steve Sewell
09-13-2011, 11:01 AM
Totally agree that the Oline is awful, but what helps relieve the pressure of an awful Oline? I will take mobility for $500 Alex. Brady Quinn is far more mobile than Orton, so let him play if Tebow isn't the answer. The second Orton has to move his feet outside of his drop, I cringe.

Did you watch the Arizona game, bro?

Rigs11
09-13-2011, 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by Rigs11 View Post



And your response was:



You completely dodged the question. Is that considered a deflection or was it a Kyle Orton'ish reply under pressure?

what people would that be? quit playing. we both know that everyone around here, sans yourself maybe, want tebow to start. we would be having the same discussion if quinn were starting, or weber. you guys need a wakeup call.

Tombstone RJ
09-13-2011, 11:23 AM
Two points Tombstone First, IMO Kuper had a bad game because #74 couldn't handle his assignments. If he could have handled his stuff better its possible that Kuper could have redirected Kelly sometimes. Wimbley had Franklin (I think) off of the charts, there was nobody to help Kuper. Seymour was killing Walton. Kuper was on an island and he played ok for what its worth.

Second, I would rather see the Hero play against us. He doesn't have the skills to take advantage of our safety's or consistently hit a WR against or CB's. He would have resembled NoShow trying to make it to the outside of our defense. I worry more about Orton sitting in the pocket and passing the ball. Any QB who has time will destroy a defense if they are accurate.

Yah, #74 had a bad game and oakland dline vets abused him. Walton needs to improve drastically, Seymour is another old vet who got the best of Walton. The oline did not have a great game, however, they did give Orton enough chances to win and Orton could not get it done.

You are simply making crap up about Tebow. Fact is, you don't know if Tebow has the skills or not. Until Tebow is given a chance to start and until the coaching staff realizes they need to design some plays around his skill set then anything you have to say on the topic is nothing more than guess work.

Maximus
09-13-2011, 12:21 PM
Yah, #74 had a bad game and oakland dline vets abused him. Walton needs to improve drastically, Seymour is another old vet who got the best of Walton. The oline did not have a great game, however, they did give Orton enough chances to win and Orton could not get it done.

You are simply making crap up about Tebow. Fact is, you don't know if Tebow has the skills or not. Until Tebow is given a chance to start and until the coaching staff realizes they need to design some plays around his skill set then anything you have to say on the topic is nothing more than guess work.

I've watched enough football to know about players like the hero. In the preseason game against seattle, he showed his true colors. 1 look pull it down and run like a scared chicken. Run around looking stupid then chuck up a wounded duck. If y'all want him have at it. It will be funny to watch.

Your rushing might increase slightly but you will suffer in other areas.

jhns
09-13-2011, 12:26 PM
I honestly can't believe there are still people apologizing for Orton. Honestly.

A raiders fan likes the way Orton plays for us. So basically, people that hate this franchise want Orton to start.

Peoples Champ
09-13-2011, 12:27 PM
hes capable of leading drives, just not scoring a TD after the drive, 3 pts only for Mr Orton

Gort
09-13-2011, 12:31 PM
I honestly can't believe there are still people apologizing for Orton. Honestly.

two words.. Stockholm Syndrome

:)

jhns
09-13-2011, 12:33 PM
I've watched enough football to know about players like the hero. In the preseason game against seattle, he showed his true colors. 1 look pull it down and run like a scared chicken. Run around looking stupid then chuck up a wounded duck. If y'all want him have at it. It will be funny to watch.

Your rushing might increase slightly but you will suffer in other areas.

He has already played in live games. How can people still be this wrong? Granted, at least this guy is a raiders fan. We know why he is stupid.

zdoor
09-13-2011, 12:36 PM
I honestly can't believe there are still people apologizing for Orton. Honestly.

Can't believe some of the shiat on the radio either. Apparently Orton played good enough to win and the fans aren't smart enough to see that....

TonyR
09-13-2011, 12:37 PM
I honestly can't believe there are still people apologizing for Orton.

I think very few people are doing this. Almost everybody knows he isn't very good and the Broncos need somebody better. But at the same time some people realize the Broncos have a lot of problems and Orton doesn't deserve all of the blame.

jhns
09-13-2011, 12:40 PM
I think very few people are doing this. Almost everybody knows he isn't very good and the Broncos need somebody better. But at the same time some people realize the Broncos have a lot of problems and Orton doesn't deserve all of the blame.

You are right. McDaniels deserves all of the blame. I will just refer to Bronco QBs as "not Cutler" for the rest of the season. Not Cutler had a horrible game last night.

Archer81
09-13-2011, 12:40 PM
Can't believe some of the shiat on the radio either. Apparently Orton played good enough to win and the fans aren't smart enough to see that....


I'm not shocked. Got a preview of it throughout preseason. It will only get worse through the year.

But hey, he looks good in 7 on 7's.


:Broncos:

kappys
09-13-2011, 12:41 PM
You are right. McDaniels deserves all of the blame. I will just refer to Bronco QBs as "not Cutler" for the rest of the season. Not Cutler had a horrible game last night.

I don't always agree with jhns but this post is right on the money.

WolfpackGuy
09-13-2011, 12:46 PM
You are right. McDaniels deserves all of the blame. I will just refer to Bronco QBs as "not Cutler" for the rest of the season. Not Cutler had a horrible game last night.

Amen!

TonyR
09-13-2011, 12:48 PM
I will just refer to Bronco QBs as "not Cutler"...

Even The Anointed One?

no-pseudo-fan
09-13-2011, 12:59 PM
You can just tell the Raiders and everyone else doesn't respect Orton. They played the game daring him to beat them, knowing it wasn't going to happen.

Blame the Run D if you want, but Oakland doesn't run the ball as much if we jump out on them 7-0.

Blame the OL, but I saw Orton walk into 3 of those sacks.

Kyle Orton is the babbling Attorney from "My Cousin Vinny". He is great when nothing is at stake. Once all eyes are on him, and the pressure is on. CHOKE!!!!!!!

I don't know if Tebow is the answer, but Orton isn't.

I think of things this way. What if everything was the same, but Manning or Brady was QB for us last night? Do we lose that game? What about if it were Flacco/Big Ben/ Rivers?

BroncosSR
09-13-2011, 12:59 PM
Stopping the run should be priority #2.

Priorities:

1. Finding a QB who can play football at a Highschool level and we'll build from there.

2. Stopping the run

3. Working on that "Most sophisticated running game in the league"


I think fixing 1 will have an immediate impact on 3. Like it was noted before, defense know that Orton's athletic ability and his innate ability to crumble under any pressure. (And if they didn't, they certainly know it now).

55CrushEm
09-13-2011, 01:03 PM
I didn't go through the whole thread....so I don't know if this has been posted or not. At least you can't complain about me starting another thread....

In any case, at least Don Banks of SI agrees with most of us.....

"When I'm watching Kyle Orton play quarterback, I can't help but think I'm watching the league's modern-day Steve DeBerg, who was once aptly described by his head coach, Bill Walsh, as "just good enough to get you beat.''

Ha!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/09/13/fresh.starts/index.html#ixzz1XrPFiG00

Raider Bill
09-13-2011, 01:04 PM
I think very few people are doing this. Almost everybody knows he isn't very good and the Broncos need somebody better. But at the same time some people realize the Broncos have a lot of problems and Orton doesn't deserve all of the blame.

Yea this.... when you cant block the run, or the pass, and struggle to stop the run, you cant blame it all on the QB... he sucked but so did a lot of people.

Maximus
09-13-2011, 01:08 PM
A raiders fan likes the way Orton plays for us. So basically, people that hate this franchise want Orton to start.

LOL is that the spin now... The only reason that I even respond to this nonsense is because anyone who looks at the situation from a pure sports perspective can see that Orton is getting a raw deal. There are 10 other players on the field besides Orton.

I would be willing to bet that when Orton was connecting to Lloyd late in the second quarter all of you HeBlowers were quiet. I can tell you during that time I was wishing HeBlows was playing because he could not complete half of the passes that Orton even attempted. All I have to say is put that little bitch in the second game... I hope Orton stinks it up so, all the Tebow bull**** can end once and for all!

bendog
09-13-2011, 01:11 PM
You are right. McDaniels deserves all of the blame. I will just refer to Bronco QBs as "not Cutler" for the rest of the season. Not Cutler had a horrible game last night.

If you think Lambchop took a beating with that guy chi was starting at LT last sunday, imagine him behind this offensive line.

Maximus
09-13-2011, 01:14 PM
Yes. Walton was engaged inside Seymour's left shoulder. Orton ran directly to Seymour's right shoulder. If Orton moves to Waltons's right, there's no way for Seymour to disengage and still make a play.

We'll see I'm watching the 3rd quarter right now. I'm sure that happened in the 4th though.

vonqkilla
09-13-2011, 01:17 PM
LOL is that the spin now... The only reason that I even respond to this nonsense is because anyone who looks at the situation from a pure sports perspective can see that Orton is getting a raw deal. There are 10 other players on the field besides Orton.

I would be willing to bet that when Orton was connecting to Lloyd late in the second quarter all of you HeBlowers were quiet. I can tell you during that time I was wishing HeBlows was playing because he could not complete half of the passes that Orton even attempted. All I have to say is put that little b**** in the second game... I hope Orton stinks it up so, all the Tebow bull**** can end once and for all!

Tebow ppg 24

Orton ppg 20

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2011, 01:30 PM
Blame the Run D if you want, but Oakland doesn't run the ball as much if we jump out on them 7-0.

Ummmm, ok. Is this a joke? I don't think you'll find any single case in NFL history where a team completely alters its gameplan after going down 7-0 in the first quarter. Even a two score difference early in the game wouldn't change anything.

Not to mention Oakland was averaging about 6 yds per carry.

Rigs11
09-13-2011, 01:35 PM
LOL is that the spin now... The only reason that I even respond to this nonsense is because anyone who looks at the situation from a pure sports perspective can see that Orton is getting a raw deal. There are 10 other players on the field besides Orton.

I would be willing to bet that when Orton was connecting to Lloyd late in the second quarter all of you HeBlowers were quiet. I can tell you during that time I was wishing HeBlows was playing because he could not complete half of the passes that Orton even attempted. All I have to say is put that little b**** in the second game... I hope Orton stinks it up so, all the Tebow bull**** can end once and for all!

I do hope that they put tebow in so that the 'fans' around here can realize that he's not ready, and that there are other areas of this team that need work.

jhns
09-13-2011, 01:46 PM
Even The Anointed One?

Yes, Not Cutler will also be referred to as Not Cutler. You seem to be under the impression that I think he is a good QB. I have never argued that. I have only argued the fact that he is better than the starting Not Cutler and has proven so in real games. Honestly, I don't think any QB on this roster is good. The thing is, two have proven they aren't good and the third is an unknown. An unknown that outplayed the known.

DenverBrit
09-13-2011, 01:47 PM
I do hope that they put tebow in so that the 'fans' around here can realize that he's not ready, and that there are other areas of this team that need work.

There is plenty to fix, but not many options when we look at the backups. FA's will be getting a long look this week.

With the escalators in Tebow's contract, both Orton and Quinn will have to go down before he starts.

Red zone, that's when Tebow will most likely get his opportunities.

jhns
09-13-2011, 01:48 PM
LOL is that the spin now... The only reason that I even respond to this nonsense is because anyone who looks at the situation from a pure sports perspective can see that Orton is getting a raw deal. There are 10 other players on the field besides Orton.

I would be willing to bet that when Orton was connecting to Lloyd late in the second quarter all of you HeBlowers were quiet. I can tell you during that time I was wishing HeBlows was playing because he could not complete half of the passes that Orton even attempted. All I have to say is put that little b**** in the second game... I hope Orton stinks it up so, all the Tebow bull**** can end once and for all!

Raider fan proving that raider fan doesn't know football. Call me when something new happens.

KO5K
09-13-2011, 01:54 PM
I do hope that they put tebow in so that the 'fans' around here can realize that he's not ready, and that there are other areas of this team that need work.

Everyone realises that there are lots of areas to improve on, but it's difficult to do that right now.

How do you improve the offensive line? You can't bench Franklin or Walton because you have **** all to replace them with.

But if you drop Orton at least you bring in an unknown with great potential (who many argue is already better).

If we can fix one weak link now, why not do it? The rest will have to be done at a later date. (This of course assumes that EFX realise that free agency and the waiver wire are legitimate ways of improving a football team).

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 02:12 PM
Yea this.... when you cant block the run, or the pass, and struggle to stop the run, you cant blame it all on the QB... he sucked but so did a lot of people.Despite everything else. The Broncos win that game with anything approaching decent QB play.

Rigs11
09-13-2011, 02:14 PM
Everyone realises that there are lots of areas to improve on, but it's difficult to do that right now.

How do you improve the offensive line? You can't bench Franklin or Walton because you have **** all to replace them with.

But if you drop Orton at least you bring in an unknown with great potential (who many argue is already better).

If we can fix one weak link now, why not do it? The rest will have to be done at a later date. (This of course assumes that EFX realise that free agency and the waiver wire are legitimate ways of improving a football team).

how many games does tebow get?i mean im assuming that you'll give quinn a chance too right? or this strictly a tebow thing?

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 02:17 PM
You are right. McDaniels deserves all of the blame. I will just refer to Bronco QBs as "not Cutler" for the rest of the season. Not Cutler had a horrible game last night.

Let's just try dealing with things that are actually still addressable. We can bench Orton, we can start Tebow, we can't untrade frown cannon.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 02:19 PM
There is plenty to fix, but not many options when we look at the backups. FA's will be getting a long look this week.

With the escalators in Tebow's contract, both Orton and Quinn will have to go down before he starts.

Red zone, that's when Tebow will most likely get his opportunities.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories generally, but if Quinn gets a start before Tebow, it will be obvious that the money theory has some legs.

jhns
09-13-2011, 02:19 PM
how many games does tebow get?i mean im assuming that you'll give quinn a chance too right? or this strictly a tebow thing?

What kind of grade school argument are you trying to make? Quinn has had his chances. He has sucked every time. This includes this preseason. The only time Tebow got a chance, he completely outplayed Orton for three straight games. Yeah, the Tebow and Quinn situations are identical!

So, I take it you never got past middle school.

jhns
09-13-2011, 02:20 PM
Let's just try dealing with things that are actually still addressable. We can bench Orton, we can start Tebow, we can't untrade frown cannon.

I know but I sure wish we could. Not Cutler makes jhns sad.

Rigs11
09-13-2011, 02:40 PM
What kind of grade school argument are you trying to make? Quinn has had his chances. He has sucked every time. This includes this preseason. The only time Tebow got a chance, he completely outplayed Orton for three straight games. Yeah, the Tebow and Quinn situations are identical!

So, I take it you never got past middle school.

im asking a question. how many games to prove himself?and last year doesn't count.

jhns
09-13-2011, 02:43 PM
im asking a question. how many games to prove himself?and last year doesn't count.

That depends on how he plays. If he looks completely lost, no more than this season. If he continues outplaying Orton, while still not playing great, I would give him a couple seasons.

DrFate
09-13-2011, 02:44 PM
im asking a question. how many games to prove himself?and last year doesn't count.

Why don't live NFL games count?

jhns
09-13-2011, 02:46 PM
Why don't live NFL games count?

Because they don't fit into the haters theory of Tebow not being able to complete a pass.

DrFate
09-13-2011, 02:50 PM
Because they don't fit into the haters theory of Tebow not being able to complete a pass.

I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and hoping it was a serious question

Maybe I was naive....

Rigs11
09-13-2011, 02:52 PM
Why don't live NFL games count?

that was last year.playing against teams that were pretty much out of the playoffs inclusidng the woeful texans. this is why tebow fans arent taken seriously.

Rigs11
09-13-2011, 02:54 PM
That depends on how he plays. If he looks completely lost, no more than this season. If he continues outplaying Orton, while still not playing great, I would give him a couple seasons.

you gave orton one game this year.actually no you didn't, you were screaming for him to get cut in camp.so tebow gets a full season?even if he sucks?

bombay
09-13-2011, 02:54 PM
boo hoo hoo.

DrFate
09-13-2011, 02:55 PM
that was last year.playing against teams that were pretty much out of the playoffs inclusidng the woeful texans. this is why tebow fans arent taken seriously.

So winning games in the NFL 'doesn't count'...

When Orton plays bad teams, does that count?

DrFate
09-13-2011, 02:57 PM
you gave orton one game this year.actually no you didn't, you were screaming for him to get cut in camp.so tebow gets a full season?even if he sucks?

This is incorrect. Orton has SIX full years under his belt. Anyone with a television and marginal vision can see what he is.

Orton isn't getting a long term deal in Denver. Tebow might be good, he might be terrible. Let's find out before the 2012 draft.

Maximus
09-13-2011, 03:05 PM
Tebow ppg 24

Orton ppg 20

Orton lead your team to striking distance after this... 12 plays 80 yards with a score in the Redzone and all you goofballs see is the picture below and that non throwing fullback who only looks in one direction... Bring that puke on! It's like Ortiz vs Mayweather... No contest... don't waste your time or money!!!

Someone said the Raiders don't respect the donks because Orton is the QB. The real reason is your defense hasn't improved for more than 5 years and your offensive line has weaknesses. This is why we had so much confidence. However, bring Teblows in and we will infiltrate OM like none other... We will put up 50 in that scenario if everything remains the same!

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb380/Solnikonan/9-13-20114-47-21PM.jpg

jhns
09-13-2011, 03:08 PM
you gave orton one game this year.actually no you didn't, you were screaming for him to get cut in camp.so tebow gets a full season?even if he sucks?

LOL

You think that was Ortons first game? Maybe I was too generous in thinking that you even made it to middle school...

Rigs11
09-13-2011, 03:39 PM
LOL

You think that was Ortons first game? Maybe I was too generous in thinking that you even made it to middle school...

first game of the regular season?:clown:

jhns
09-13-2011, 03:41 PM
first game of the regular season?:clown:

Or closer to his 50th game in the regular season.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 03:50 PM
you gave orton one game this year.actually no you didn't, you were screaming for him to get cut in camp.so tebow gets a full season?even if he sucks?

There are 6 seasons worth of Orton being what he was last night. There are two full seasons in Denver. Are you really this ignorant?

BroncoBuff
09-13-2011, 03:59 PM
He's statistically average. On the field he's just plain bad.

He should not be on the field AT ALL! The plan going into camp was the right one: Trade Orton asap, let Tebow sink or swim. New coach, new management, they knew we'd be starting 3 rookies and several FAs ... THAT was the time to throw Tebow in the deep end.

But then in DAY THREE of camp some crazy-assed about-face 180 happened, wtf did everything change so fast?

Now we're stuck with Orton, who's just good enough to sprinkle a couple-three good games into his milquetoast mix ... which will result in 4, 5 or 6 wins ... which means no Luck. WHich means we're busted back to throwing Tebow in the deep end, sink or swim. Same place we were six weeks ago.

Steve Sewell
09-13-2011, 04:07 PM
that was last year.playing against teams that were pretty much out of the playoffs inclusidng the woeful texans. this is why tebow fans arent taken seriously.


You do understand that these are professional football players and their livelihood is directly related to how they play, win or lose, right?

Do you expect people to take you seriously when you say stupid **** like this?

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 04:12 PM
But then in DAY THREE of camp some crazy-assed about-face 180 happened, wtf did everything change so fast?


To quote the illustrious Puff Daddy, "It's all about the benjamins baby."

Dagmar
09-13-2011, 04:15 PM
He should not be on the field AT ALL! The plan going into camp was the right one: Trade Orton asap, let Tebow sink or swim. New coach, new management, they knew we'd be starting 3 rookies and several FAs ... THAT was the time to throw Tebow in the deep end.

But then in DAY THREE of camp some crazy-assed about-face 180 happened, wtf did everything change so fast?

Now we're stuck with Orton, who's just good enough to sprinkle a couple-three good games into his milquetoast mix ... which will result in 4, 5 or 6 wins ... which means no Luck. WHich means we're busted back to throwing Tebow in the deep end, sink or swim. Same place we were six weeks ago.

I don't understand why people don't get this.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 04:15 PM
that was last year.playing against teams that were pretty much out of the playoffs inclusidng the woeful texans. this is why tebow fans arent taken seriously.

Weren't the Broncos also out of the playoffs at that point? So what were they playing for exactly that made them better than when Orton was starting?

Talk about being taken seriously.

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 04:28 PM
I don't understand why people don't get this.

Look at the history of humanity and you'll get your answer. People are stupid...

BroncoBuff
09-13-2011, 04:33 PM
Look at the history of humanity and you'll get your answer. People are stupid...

So you agree with me after all, THANK you.

John has had ONE game, hater (responding to another thread post but) he's had ONE GAME. The only dumb decision I think he's made is the Tebow-Orton switch. And honestly we don't know all the facts. I think there's a chance the problem is that Tebow is roundly or possibly universally disliked as a person ... that 180 in Day 3 of camp was too weird, there must be some facts we don't know. One thing we know is a 99% probablility: Nothing happened on the practice field those three days to warrant that flip, so something's going on. And give John a break, hater, whatever tf your name really is.

Archer81
09-13-2011, 04:41 PM
you gave orton one game this year.actually no you didn't, you were screaming for him to get cut in camp.so tebow gets a full season?even if he sucks?


The thing is, you twit, is any problem Tebow MAY have can be fixed with coaching and experience.

Any issue Orton has is due to his general lack of athleticism or aptitude. Orton cannot physically do it.

You can't fix suck. But you seem intent on defending it.

:Broncos:

Black96WS6
09-13-2011, 04:42 PM
Seriously though what is the point of continuing with Orton?

For John Fox and the organization, it's because he gives you the best chance of winning games.

BUT, that being said, he's a game manager.

Do you want a game manager or an Elite QB? That's an easy answer.

But the answer to the next question, not so easy: Okay, so how do you GET an Elite QB? Short of sucking it up all season and\or selling\trading the farm for one?

There just doesn't seem to be an easy answer or a way out here...which sucks...just my perspective...

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 04:43 PM
Seriously though what is the point of continuing with Orton?

For John Fox and the organization, it's because he gives you the best chance of winning games.

BUT, that being said, he's a game manager.

Do you want a game manager or an Elite QB? That's an easy answer.

But the answer to the next question, not so easy: Okay, so how do you GET an Elite QB? Short of sucking it up all season and\or selling\trading the farm for one?

There just doesn't seem to be an easy answer or a way out here...which sucks...just my perspective...

If Tebow is as bad as some claim, starting him would seem like the perfect way to get Luck. Right?

Tombstone RJ
09-13-2011, 04:46 PM
So you agree with me after all, THANK you.

John has had ONE game, hater (responding to another thread post but) he's had ONE GAME. The only dumb decision I think he's made is the Tebow-Orton switch. And honestly we don't know all the facts. I think there's a chance the problem is that Tebow is roundly or possibly universally disliked as a person ... that 180 in Day 3 of camp was too weird, there must be some facts we don't know. One thing we know is a 99% probablility: Nothing happened on the practice field those three days to warrant that flip, so something's going on. And give John a break, hater, whatever tf your name really is.

there's absolutely no proof of this. I think the Broncos tried to trade Orton to the ONE team that was interested and when they couldn't make it happen they were forced to make nice and play the vet. They have the excuse that Tebow didn't look good in camp, and the best chance to win is with Orton.

I still think Tebow will play this year. Orton will either get hurt or play so poorly that the Broncos will have nothing to lose by starting Tebow. The Broncos are financially vested in Tebow to the tune of $6m and they have no financial committment to Quinn.

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 04:46 PM
So you agree with me after all, THANK you.

John has had ONE game, hater (responding to another thread post but) he's had ONE GAME. The only dumb decision I think he's made is the Tebow-Orton switch. And honestly we don't know all the facts. I think there's a chance the problem is that Tebow is roundly or possibly universally disliked as a person ... that 180 in Day 3 of camp was too weird, there must be some facts we don't know. One thing we know is a 99% probablility: Nothing happened on the practice field those three days to warrant that flip, so something's going on. And give John a break, hater, whatever tf your name really is.

He hired John Fox. That's two. He kept Xanders on as GM. That's three. He failed to draft a DT. That's four. He failed to sign a a DT. That's five. He took a job that he had no business taking. That's six.

I loved Elway as a player. I really don't see what that has to do with him running the team, or why I should think it's a good idea.

Tombstone RJ
09-13-2011, 04:50 PM
He hired John Fox. That's two. He kept Xanders on as GM. That's three. He failed to draft a DT. That's four. He failed to sign a a DT. That's five. He took a job that he had no business taking. That's six.

I loved Elway as a player. I really don't see what that has to do with him running the team, or why I should think it's a good idea.

It's one game dude, relax.

zdoor
09-13-2011, 04:50 PM
So you agree with me after all, THANK you.

John has had ONE game, hater (responding to another thread post but) he's had ONE GAME. The only dumb decision I think he's made is the Tebow-Orton switch. And honestly we don't know all the facts. I think there's a chance the problem is that Tebow is roundly or possibly universally disliked as a person ... that 180 in Day 3 of camp was too weird, there must be some facts we don't know. One thing we know is a 99% probablility: Nothing happened on the practice field those three days to warrant that flip, so something's going on. And give John a break, hater, whatever tf your name really is.

I think what happened is Tebow looked like a raw rook still struggling to read Defenses and Orton looked like a polished pro. Not really surprising considering the off season. Problem is RAW Tebow can do what Orton did last night. I heard repeatedly on the radio today Tebow would have fared worse than Orton last night. Really? Tebow played under that type of pass rush all pre season and looked better than Orton did last night. Does anyone really think Tebow would not have scored a TD on the first drive after the fumble on the Raider 15... Worst case scenario we would have looked about the same last night with Tebow but honestly, I think that game plays to Tebows strength and we might have won it...

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 04:51 PM
It's one game dude, relax.

This isn't about this one game. This is about the way this team is being handled top to bottom by a guy who has no business running an NFL team. It's likely only going to get worse.

epicSocialism4tw
09-13-2011, 04:53 PM
I think what happened is Tebow looked like a raw rook still struggling to read Defenses and Orton looked like a polished pro. Not really surprising considering the off season. Problem is RAW Tebow can do what Orton did last night. I heard repeatedly on the radio today Tebow would have fared worse than Orton last night. Really? Tebow played under that type of pass rush all pre season and looked better than Orton did last night. Does anyone really think Tebow would not have scored a TD on the first drive after the fumble on the Raider 15... Worst case scenario we would have looked about the same last night with Tebow but honestly, I think that game plays to Tebows strength and we might have won it...

Tebow has never looked as bad as Orton did last night, or as bad as Orton looked last year against Oakland at home, etc.

People who say otherwise are talking out of their anal sphincter.

zdoor
09-13-2011, 04:57 PM
Tebow has never looked as bad as Orton did last night, or as bad as Orton looked last year against Oakland at home, etc.

People who say otherwise are talking out of their anal sphincter.

Yup

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 04:58 PM
He should not be on the field AT ALL! The plan going into camp was the right one: Trade Orton asap, let Tebow sink or swim. New coach, new management, they knew we'd be starting 3 rookies and several FAs ... THAT was the time to throw Tebow in the deep end.

But then in DAY THREE of camp some crazy-assed about-face 180 happened, wtf did everything change so fast?

Now we're stuck with Orton, who's just good enough to sprinkle a couple-three good games into his milquetoast mix ... which will result in 4, 5 or 6 wins ... which means no Luck. WHich means we're busted back to throwing Tebow in the deep end, sink or swim. Same place we were six weeks ago.
The money speculation would answer to that. As soon as they were stuck with Orton's $8M, the goal became to avoid paying Tebow any escalators.

Tombstone RJ
09-13-2011, 04:58 PM
This isn't about this one game. This is about the way this team is being handled top to bottom by a guy who has no business running an NFL team. It's likely only going to get worse.

If anything, this team is now being handled very conservatively. With McD the team was taking a huge gamble and the franchise lost out on that move. With EFX the team is going a much more traditional and patient approach. This is year one of Elway as the top front office guy and he's trying to manage a dicey situation with Orton and Tebow and the fans wanting instant results.

Jay3
09-13-2011, 05:04 PM
Where did all these Orton-lovers in the media come from? I've never seen so much praise for a guy who has never played in the postseason, who is the poster-boy for "not good enough."

Archer81
09-13-2011, 05:05 PM
If anything, this team is now being handled very conservatively. With McD the team was taking a huge gamble and the franchise lost out on that move. With EFX the team is going a much more traditional and patient approach. This is year one of Elway as the top front office guy and he's trying to manage a dicey situation with Orton and Tebow and the fans wanting instant results.


I dont think this is why people are angry. They want a positive. No Bronco fan walked away from the game last night saying damn, we lost this game but at least we have player X to build on. Orton is abysmal, regardless of what the talking heads at ESPN say. We watch this team like hawks 365 days a year. We know what Orton is, and no spin from the press or front office is going to convince the fanbase that Orton will be successful here. He does not have it, we know it. Tebow has it, the fans know it.

If we are going to suck, fine. Then iron out the issues Tebow may have and go forward THIS year with him starting. If he is not our starting QBOTF, then plan accordingly. All this will lead to is another offseason of speculation and silliness that will lead to another season like the last two.

:Broncos:

RIBEYZE
09-13-2011, 05:07 PM
The team can barely line up correctly on offense or on defense. If you think the Orton offense is an "aborton", I can't wait to see how you'd react to Tebow/Quinn behind center trying to figure out where to get all the players even positioned.Tom Brady would be an abortion behind Denver's O line.

epicSocialism4tw
09-13-2011, 05:13 PM
If anything, this team is now being handled very conservatively. With McD the team was taking a huge gamble and the franchise lost out on that move. With EFX the team is going a much more traditional and patient approach. This is year one of Elway as the top front office guy and he's trying to manage a dicey situation with Orton and Tebow and the fans wanting instant results.

At this point the fans arent really expecting instant results. We have sucked for far too long for that.

But the Broncos believe that they are trying to get instant results. So fans expect them to live up to their commitment, and to show that they are competent by doing so. Because thats what they are trying to sell us...that this is the best way to get wins. It doesn't appear like their recipe will work.

Its really strange because the things they say and the things they do don't really match up.

If they were really trying to win now, wouldn't they have tried to address DT and MLB in free agency? Wouldn't they have tried to shore up the depth on this team at several positions? They did not do that.

It appears as though they are using this season as a developmental year for every position except for QB. And its hard to figure out why.

Rascal
09-13-2011, 05:13 PM
It doesn't matter who the QB is. I say give Orton 10 weeks so the o-line will hopefully eliminate most of their retarded mistakes, thereby helping to ensure that Tebow doesn't get killed. I don't care if Orton does.

Tombstone RJ
09-13-2011, 05:15 PM
I dont think this is why people are angry. They want a positive. No Bronco fan walked away from the game last night saying damn, we lost this game but at least we have player X to build on. Orton is abysmal, regardless of what the talking heads at ESPN say. We watch this team like hawks 365 days a year. We know what Orton is, and no spin from the press or front office is going to convince the fanbase that Orton will be successful here. He does not have it, we know it. Tebow has it, the fans know it.

If we are going to suck, fine. Then iron out the issues Tebow may have and go forward THIS year with him starting. If he is not our starting QBOTF, then plan accordingly. All this will lead to is another offseason of speculation and silliness that will lead to another season like the last two.

:Broncos:

I agree we all know what Orton is but the conservative front office approach is to play the vet until 1. the Broncos are mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs or 2. Orton gets hurt and can't play. Either way the Broncos are being conservative.

The fans want Tebow because he's a player. He's a winner. He's a gamer. Tebow is everything Orton is not. The problem is that if the Broncos coaching staff bench's Orton and starts Tebow they may lose the entire lockeroom, putting Tebow at further risk on the field (if the team gives up it puts Tebow in an even more precarious situation, he could get hurt).

Like I said, it's a bad situation for Elway to be in. He's got to know what he has in Tebow yet he's still got to try and win games with the vet and with Fox. If he believes in Tebow he's going to do what is best for Tebow. We simply do not know what John knows with all his playing experience and now his front office experience.

Tombstone RJ
09-13-2011, 05:16 PM
It doesn't matter who the QB is. I say give Orton 10 weeks so the o-line will hopefully eliminate most of their retarded mistakes, thereby helping to ensure that Tebow doesn't get killed. I don't care if Orton does.

a voice of reason...

epicSocialism4tw
09-13-2011, 05:17 PM
Where did all these Orton-lovers in the media come from? I've never seen so much praise for a guy who has never played in the postseason, who is the poster-boy for "not good enough."

I wonder where. Ha!

When there is literally a PR group out there committed to attacking Tim Tebow because of the threat that they think he is to their precious political ideologies, its pretty easy to see why all of these media douches see a sympathetic character in Ortie.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 05:17 PM
I think what happened is Tebow looked like a raw rook still struggling to read Defenses and Orton looked like a polished pro. Not really surprising considering the off season. I said this at the end of last year when "Should we trade Orton" talk began at the end of last year. Orton was ALWAYS going to look better in non-contact camp practices.


Problem is RAW Tebow can do what Orton did last night. I honestly don't think Tebow could ever do what Orton did last night. I don't know if Tebow is the answer, but I do know that he would have died trying make something happen last night. Orton looked like he died before the game started.

I heard repeatedly on the radio today Tebow would have fared worse than Orton last night. Really? Tebow played under that type of pass rush all pre season and looked better than Orton did last night. The media is fully invested in a "Tebow's not ready" rhetoric loop. It really has zero connection to what actually happens. They say the same thing even though Tebow has already looked far better than Orton against this Raiders team. It doesn't matter to them, they just press play on the "Orton is a more polished passer and gives Denver there best chance to win" recording.


Does anyone really think Tebow would not have scored a TD on the first drive after the fumble on the Raider 15... Worst case scenario we would have looked about the same last night with Tebow but honestly, I think that game plays to Tebows strength and we might have won it...
The only positive from last night is that Orton has set the bar for QB play in Denver at an all time low, which will make it easy for fans, coaches, and teammates to rally behind Tebow when he does get his chance and, once again, proves he makes this team better.

WolfpackGuy
09-13-2011, 05:19 PM
It doesn't matter who the QB is. I say give Orton 10 weeks so the o-line will hopefully eliminate most of their retarded mistakes, thereby helping to ensure that Tebow doesn't get killed. I don't care if Orton does.

Don't worry.

His lack of mobility will get him killed long before 10 weeks go by.

Archer81
09-13-2011, 05:19 PM
The key to being successful in advertizing, politics and being vp of an NFL front office is to crush potential problems BEFORE they become a problem...

:Broncos:

Tombstone RJ
09-13-2011, 05:20 PM
At this point the fans arent really expecting instant results. We have sucked for far too long for that.

But the Broncos believe that they are trying to get instant results. So fans expect them to live up to their commitment, and to show that they are competent by doing so. Because thats what they are trying to sell us...that this is the best way to get wins. It doesn't appear like their recipe will work.

Its really strange because the things they say and the things they do don't really match up.

If they were really trying to win now, wouldn't they have tried to address DT and MLB in free agency? Wouldn't they have tried to shore up the depth on this team at several positions? They did not do that.

It appears as though they are using this season as a developmental year for every position except for QB. And its hard to figure out why.

I don't know what EFX's long term plans are. I do know that Fox is going to be the coach for at least 3 years. We are all guessing what the big picture is at this time.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 05:29 PM
It doesn't matter who the QB is. I say give Orton 10 weeks so the o-line will hopefully eliminate most of their retarded mistakes, thereby helping to ensure that Tebow doesn't get killed. I don't care if Orton does.Tebow has proven he can handle himself with basically zero protection. This season will be a total failure if Tebow doesn't get 10 starts or more.

My guess: Orton manages to beat the Bengals next week, the Ortonites say "I told you he's a winner." Upon which he promptly loses 3 straight, leaving the Broncos at 1-4 going into the bye week.

Tebow is immediately named the starter for week 7 where he turns Dolphins Stadium into a reincarnation of the Swamp and "Denver South". The Broncos win in Miami, go 7-4 under Tebow and go on to finish the season 8-8.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 05:32 PM
Where did all these Orton-lovers in the media come from? I've never seen so much praise for a guy who has never played in the postseason, who is the poster-boy for "not good enough."

The majority of Orton-lovers are borne out of hate for Tebow. Orton has done nothing to deserve the support he gets, and the kid has done nothing other than be too successful and too popular to deserve being rooted against.

epicSocialism4tw
09-13-2011, 05:47 PM
The majority of Orton-lovers are borne out of hate for Tebow. Orton has done nothing to deserve the support he gets, and the kid has done nothing other than be too successful and too popular to deserve being rooted against.

Yeah, there are alot of OU fans who dislike Tebow because he outplayed Sam Bradford in the fourth quarter of the National Championship game. Tebow literally was the difference in that game. It sucked. But I came to respect him after that. You hear all of this noise about Tebow, and the Tebow hate is just kind of communicable by ignorance, but then when you see it up close and personal and if you appreciate good football, you come to enjoy what Tebow is and what he does on the field.

I'm sure that there are alot of SEC fanbases and other fanbases who hate Tebow as well.