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DB-Freak
09-12-2011, 11:28 PM
I want him back.

DomCasual
09-12-2011, 11:29 PM
Hey, I loved the guy!

epicSocialism4tw
09-12-2011, 11:30 PM
Dude had more heart in his left hand than Kyle Orton could ever hope to have.

Bob's your Information Minister
09-12-2011, 11:31 PM
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Taco John
09-12-2011, 11:31 PM
Plummer - Shanahan = ______________

SoCalBronco
09-12-2011, 11:32 PM
I want Jay back.

NUB
09-12-2011, 11:32 PM
I still think we fired Shanahan right as we were on the cusp of becoming a great, consistently playoff-bound team.

Thanks for reminding me.

McDman
09-12-2011, 11:32 PM
I want Elway back.

OBF1
09-12-2011, 11:33 PM
If you are all going to whine and cry about the past.....


I want my 1997 Bronco's back

ol#7
09-12-2011, 11:34 PM
I still think we fired Shanahan right as we were on the cusp of becoming a great, consistently playoff-bound team.

Thanks for reminding me.

Every day that goes by convinces me of this fact more and more.

OBF1
09-12-2011, 11:34 PM
I still think we fired Shanahan right as we were on the cusp of becoming a great, consistently playoff-bound team.

Thanks for reminding me.

Let me re-remind you. Denver was 3 games up in the division with 3 games left to play, win1 game and we take the division.

A Shannahan lead Denver Broncos team lost 3 in a row to go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

Please now remind me of the "Cusp" I have forgotten about.

DB-Freak
09-12-2011, 11:35 PM
Watching Orton literally crumble when there is a hint of pressure is unsightly.

What's even more painful is the that I think a bag of bricks would be able to move around better than he does.... THe guy is slow as molasses.

It's way too painful.

OBF1
09-12-2011, 11:35 PM
Every day that goes by convinces me of this fact more and more.

This place is full of the old, the mindless and the stupid.

mkporter
09-12-2011, 11:36 PM
Let me re-remind you. Denver was 3 games up in the division with 3 games left to play, win1 game and we take the division.

A Shannahan lead Denver Broncos team lost 3 in a row to go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

Please now remind me of the "Cusp" I have forgotten about.

Dwayne Bowe's fault.

NUB
09-12-2011, 11:40 PM
Let me re-remind you. Denver was 3 games up in the division with 3 games left to play, win1 game and we take the division.

A Shannahan lead Denver Broncos team lost 3 in a row to go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

Please now remind me of the "Cusp" I have forgotten about.

We had:

Young, talented QB.
Young, talented WR corps.
Young, very talented left-tackle.
We could put a cell-phone hawker in at running-back and get 100-yards.

If you notice, these are all young players. Not a whole lot of veterancy at the time. The defense was also trash and Shanahan did have Slowik returning at the time which may have been the final nail in the coffin for him. Sure, Shanahan wasn't fired on a high-note, but I'm hardpressed to come to any kind of conclusion that says that team had already reached its ceiling when he left. I think there was enormous potential in having so much talent at such young ages all over the field. Of course we will never know now as McDaniels irrationally blew the entire thing up and we are left with what we have now.

mkporter
09-12-2011, 11:43 PM
We had:

Young, talented QB.
Young, talented WR corps.
Young, very talented left-tackle.
We could put a cell-phone hawker in at running-back and get 100-yards.

If you notice, these are all young players. Not a whole lot of veterancy at the time. The defense was also trash and Shanahan did have Slowik returning at the time which may have been the final nail in the coffin for him. Sure, Shanahan wasn't fired on a high-note, but I'm hardpressed to come to any kind of conclusion that says that team had already reached its ceiling when he left. I think there was enormous potential in having so much talent at such young ages all over the field. Of course we will never know now as McDaniels irrationally blew the entire thing up and we are left with what we have now.

As bad as any decision McD made. I love shanny, but that decision is inexcusable.

24champ
09-12-2011, 11:45 PM
I want Mike back...

http://renovomedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/mike_shanahan_Washington_Redskins.jpg

broncolife
09-12-2011, 11:46 PM
I wouldnt mind having him back even if he came with the wall. :) :gus:

razorwire77
09-12-2011, 11:46 PM
The way Oakland was cheating the ends, Jake would have made rape on them with the bootleg.

NUB
09-12-2011, 11:47 PM
As bad as any decision McD made. I love shanny, but that decision is inexcusable.

Totally agree. I think the problem was that Shanny had already fired so many coordinators in a row he was afraid to do it again, although that time it really did call for it. All that said, I'm still convinced it was a talented, young team ready to start going places in a division that was obviously getting weaker and weaker.

Willynowei
09-12-2011, 11:48 PM
Let me re-remind you. Denver was 3 games up in the division with 3 games left to play, win1 game and we take the division.

A Shannahan lead Denver Broncos team lost 3 in a row to go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

Please now remind me of the "Cusp" I have forgotten about.

You forgot the part where we had half our team on IR and had a T-mobile salesperson at RB, dumbass.

WABronco
09-12-2011, 11:50 PM
I want Mike back...

http://renovomedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/mike_shanahan_Washington_Redskins.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-d2xe5ygpKxs/TWQtG8p-P8I/AAAAAAAAPSg/gdfs2xqKxbE/s1600/2.jpg

I feel genuine heartache right now.

White Dragon
09-12-2011, 11:51 PM
I've missed Plummer since 2007.

Drafting Cutler over Ngata is the biggest mistake Shanahan ever made, even bigger than Slowik.

DBroncos4life
09-12-2011, 11:51 PM
I want Jay back.

This.

mkporter
09-12-2011, 11:54 PM
Totally agree. I think the problem was that Shanny had already fired so many coordinators in a row he was afraid to do it again, although that time it really did call for it. All that said, I'm still convinced it was a talented, young team ready to start going places in a division that was obviously getting weaker and weaker.

I think your analysis is spot on regarding the call to keep Slowik. We had the makings of half a good young team. The defense was historically bad in 2008. Worse than last year.

Kaylore
09-12-2011, 11:55 PM
This is a very productive thread. Let's all whine about how this isn't like the past. We don't do that enough as Bronco fans and it always changes our situation.

SoCalBronco
09-12-2011, 11:56 PM
I've missed Plummer since 2007.

Drafting Cutler over Ngata is the biggest mistake Shanahan ever made, even bigger than Slowik.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

SoCalBronco
09-12-2011, 11:59 PM
This is a very productive thread. Let's all whine about how this isn't like the past. We don't do that enough as Bronco fans and it always changes our situation.

It's not going to change our situation, sure....but its difficult to accept how far we've fallen in such short time. It's only natural to wish for happier times. To be honest, we probably deserved to lose by alot more than 3 points in this game, we got totally bullied up and down, at home, against Oakland. That's depressing. People are going to wish for happier times, Khan. This isn't a happy time. Hopefully it gets better over the course of the season.

DB-Freak
09-12-2011, 11:59 PM
This is a very productive thread. Let's all whine about how this isn't like the past. We don't do that enough as Bronco fans and it always changes our situation.

Relax...this is productive as in it lets us vent our frustration and unleash our dissatisfaction in an unharmful manner.

Not like what we do here affects anything.

Willynowei
09-12-2011, 11:59 PM
This is a very productive thread. Let's all whine about how this isn't like the past. We don't do that enough as Bronco fans and it always changes our situation.

It's on the lonely nights that you remember the ex-girlfriend who ****ed your brains out and treated you right.

What makes it worse is that this week, both the ex girlfriends are doing really ****ing well without us.

WABronco
09-13-2011, 12:01 AM
It's on the lonely nights that you remember the ex-girlfriend who ****ed your brains out and treated you right.

What makes it worse is that this week, both the ex girlfriends are doing really ****ing well without us.

Wow thanks man that makes me feel even better.

/cocks pistol

DB-Freak
09-13-2011, 12:02 AM
Worst part is the defense....

After many years, you still see a squad full of retreads and rejects that would at best be backups for other teams....

Just crumbling year after year. Its a vicious cycle.

OBF1
09-13-2011, 02:56 AM
On shannahans defense, He did make the great pick of Ashley Lelie over piss ant Ed Reed......

colonelbeef
09-13-2011, 04:26 AM
I still think we fired Shanahan right as we were on the cusp of becoming a great, consistently playoff-bound team.

Thanks for reminding me.

Yep. Shanahan and Cutler would be crushing the AFC West at this point.

What an absolute disaster.

SPORTSWRITER
09-13-2011, 05:17 AM
This place is full of the old, the mindless and the stupid.

Enlighten me: Who's Who???

Drek
09-13-2011, 05:21 AM
It's not going to change our situation, sure....but its difficult to accept how far we've fallen in such short time. It's only natural to wish for happier times. To be honest, we probably deserved to lose by alot more than 3 points in this game, we got totally bullied up and down, at home, against Oakland. That's depressing. People are going to wish for happier times, Khan. This isn't a happy time. Hopefully it gets better over the course of the season.

The only thing I don't get is how many equate a 7-9 season and an 8-8 season where we **** away the division with three games left as "happier times".

I mean its better than last season but not by that much. You still pick in the top 15. People forget that part of that 8-8 choke season was letting Fatty Russell have the highlight of his career while our offense did jack **** against a raider team that actually was completely aweful.

Kaylore
09-13-2011, 05:24 AM
Relax...this is productive as in it lets us vent our frustration and unleash our dissatisfaction in an unharmful manner.

Not like what we do here affects anything.

My biggest beef with Broncos country is their obsession with reliving the glory days. Looking for "the next Elway/Sharpe/TD/Rod Smith" is a total waste of time.

TheReverend
09-13-2011, 06:46 AM
My biggest beef with Broncos country is their obsession with reliving the glory days. Looking for "the next Elway/Sharpe/TD/Rod Smith" is a total waste of time.

Every post we make is a total waste of time...

Pony Boy
09-13-2011, 06:54 AM
I would consider a spleenless QB

ColoradoDarin
09-13-2011, 07:38 AM
Plummer - Shanahan = ______________

Late 90s Cardinals? IIRC their first playoffs in eleventy billion years (or first playoff win? both? eh, I'm not looking it up) Jake was alright then, tried too much, but at least he wasn't fetal.

Gort
09-13-2011, 07:42 AM
The only thing I don't get is how many equate a 7-9 season and an 8-8 season where we **** away the division with three games left as "happier times".

I mean its better than last season but not by that much. You still pick in the top 15. People forget that part of that 8-8 choke season was letting Fatty Russell have the highlight of his career while our offense did jack **** against a raider team that actually was completely aweful.

we've been on this downward spiral since the 2005 AFCC game debacle. that's 5+ seasons of soft, weak-willed teams finding ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Blart
09-13-2011, 07:47 AM
The crowd used to boo and chant "van pelt!" when Plummer was QB. Bronco fans had no idea what they had.

Taco John
09-13-2011, 08:19 AM
I still think we fired Shanahan right as we were on the cusp of becoming a great, consistently playoff-bound team.

Thanks for reminding me.

I fully agree. Firing Shanahan when we did was pretty stupid and it's gotten us nowhere.

TheReverend
09-13-2011, 08:20 AM
I fully agree. Firing Shanahan when we did was pretty stupid and it's gotten us nowhere.

Dan Snyder says "Thanks".

I think he has Mike coaching for him for like $1 dollar this while Bowlen foots the bill one last time?

orangenblue
09-13-2011, 08:22 AM
Let me re-remind you. Denver was 3 games up in the division with 3 games left to play, win1 game and we take the division.

A Shannahan lead Denver Broncos team lost 3 in a row to go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

Please now remind me of the "Cusp" I have forgotten about.


You don't fire a coach that has won you two Super Bowls. It's a tough league. Take a look around. You especially don't fire him only to replace him with a guy that was never a head coach at ANY level inlcuding HIGH SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pricejj
09-13-2011, 10:06 AM
Donít worry. As long as you hit that wire with the connecting hook at precisely 88 miles per hour, the instance the lightning strikes the tower everything will be fine!

mkporter
09-13-2011, 10:28 AM
Dan Snyder says "Thanks".

I think he has Mike coaching for him for like $1 dollar this while Bowlen foots the bill one last time?

So, Mike is a big success in DC already? Seems kinda early on that call. And no, Bowlen is not still paying Shanahan.

TheReverend
09-13-2011, 10:34 AM
So, Mike is a big success in DC already? Seems kinda early on that call. And no, Bowlen is not still paying Shanahan.

Sure thing bro!

"Whenever the Broncos hire their next head coach, they'll be paying three guys -- former head coach Mike Shanahan, McDaniels and whoever replaces McDaniels -- to coach the team in 2011 .."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Broncos-fire-McDaniels-will-be-paying-three-coa?urn=nfl-292447

...and he took over a 4-12 team and they now look WORLDS better than the 8-8 franchise he left behind. So you tell me.

BMF Bronco
09-13-2011, 10:35 AM
Hey, I loved the guy!

me too, had many a heated argument on this site over the Snake!

TheReverend
09-13-2011, 10:36 AM
In case you want a Denver post article instead:

Mike Shanahan will receive a 5-year deal in Washington that pays him the same salary as he was to receive in Denver, which was $7 million annually. According to Klis, Pat Bowlen and the Broncos will be responsible for half of Shanahan's salary, or $3.5 million each of the next two seasons. So while the deal helps Denver and Bowlen, they are not completely off the hook as we may have hoped.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/1/5/1235962/mike-shanahan-reaches-deal-to

Snyder back loaded the deal as a FU to Bowlen.

55CrushEm
09-13-2011, 10:39 AM
Every post we make is a total waste of time...

LOL

broncocalijohn
09-13-2011, 10:40 AM
I still think we fired Shanahan right as we were on the cusp of becoming a great, consistently playoff-bound team.

Thanks for reminding me.

Oh yeah, the proof was totally in the pudding. Remind me of those last 3 seasons and the crap we dumped when the games mattered at the end of the season? Couldnt beat the 49ers to get us into the playoffs (and allowing the Chiefs in). Don't we have the record for biggest choke job to miss the playoffs with 4 or 5 games to go and let the Chargers roll into the playoffs? We got some defending Cutler like no other yet slam Orton about the same thing of not winning when it matters most! I defended Shanny that last season, but stepping back and seeing all the fired DC and picking Slowick as the savior, bad drafts and losing games that should have won thinks he had his chance. We just screwed up by bringing in McDaniels. Keeping Shanny would not have made it this bad (2009 and 2010) though.
Shanny creating a game plan for Plummer during the 2005 season was great. Limited his mistakes to very few INTs. and therefore getting us into the AFC Championship game.

mkporter
09-13-2011, 11:09 AM
Sure thing bro!

"Whenever the Broncos hire their next head coach, they'll be paying three guys -- former head coach Mike Shanahan, McDaniels and whoever replaces McDaniels -- to coach the team in 2011 .."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Broncos-fire-McDaniels-will-be-paying-three-coa?urn=nfl-292447

...and he took over a 4-12 team and they now look WORLDS better than the 8-8 franchise he left behind. So you tell me.

My bad, you are right, I was thinking that Bowlen reached a settlement with him last year, but that was McD. Still not buying the Redskins being all that great yet. One game doesn't make a good team. Not saying it won't happen, but it hasn't yet.

Quoydogs
09-13-2011, 11:38 AM
I've missed Plummer since 2007.

Drafting Cutler over Ngata is the biggest mistake Shanahan ever made, even bigger than Slowik.


Easy now, I don't know if you can beat Slowik.

gunns
09-13-2011, 12:05 PM
Let me re-remind you. Denver was 3 games up in the division with 3 games left to play, win1 game and we take the division.

A Shannahan lead Denver Broncos team lost 3 in a row to go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

Please now remind me of the "Cusp" I have forgotten about.

Amen. We were reminded of that "cusp" for 9 years straight.

As far as Plummer, the only difference between him and Orton, as far as their play, was Plummer could run the bootleg. Other than that, we've had nada but Ortons since Elway left.

plummerrox
09-13-2011, 12:07 PM
Loved Jake. a ton of heart - and a lot of talent. the only qb to win a playoff game for Denver since you know who.

but here's to honoring the past, living in the present, and being hopeful for the future.

Go Broncos.

Meck77
09-13-2011, 12:28 PM
Plummer - Shanahan = ______________

Taco-Plummer=__________________

TheReverend
09-13-2011, 12:34 PM
My bad, you are right, I was thinking that Bowlen reached a settlement with him last year, but that was McD. Still not buying the Redskins being all that great yet. One game doesn't make a good team. Not saying it won't happen, but it hasn't yet.

Fair.

Popps
09-13-2011, 01:38 PM
I want him back.

Yea, winning was indeed fun. I miss it.

cabronco
09-13-2011, 02:12 PM
They need to pratice more effectively.

Like Kyle, the coaches should have the practice dummies ( no not the d-lineman) the actual practice dummies standing in a posture like they're going to rush the qb. Kyle's job is to try his hardest not to walk directly into said dummies and get knocked backwards.

Second, keep Lloyd off field ( think he's maybe injured any ways) and see if Kyle can complete passes to any other Bronco wide receivers.

3rd I would have the O-line go out on the highways with Construction workers. At end of day let the O-lineman pick up the traffic cones, to practice opening up lanes, so they can get a feel for it.

Lastely, for the D-line. I would literally have a poorly made brick wall they would run thru to get to the skank on the other side. Have skank turn around where she turns out to be Bob the skank info.minster, where the guys would run away from , simulating going after the ball carrier.

If all fails, then its truly suck for Luck

vbplaya
09-13-2011, 02:33 PM
This thread is very typical of Bronco fans over the years since Elway left. Chase one guy out of town for another "quick fix" ... chase that guy out for the next "quick fix" ... continue cycle and keep looking back regretting that we chased the others out.

You have to BUILD a strong team ... not keep cycling in and out key pillar positions and expect to have a structurally sound team.

I was disappointed in the Broncos fans at last nights game. The game is close and they are chanting to bring in another player and booing the team. Your team is on the field trying to score and your "helping" by means of negative reenforcement? I understand being upset at some plays and play calls ... but save it for after the game. During the game you are there to CHEER them on and give them the motivation to excel. Very disappointing.

Pick Six
09-13-2011, 02:37 PM
Plummer - Kubiak = ______________

FYP

Plummer was not as effective of a quarterback after Kubiak left (and took the bootleg with him).

Mogulseeker
09-13-2011, 03:27 PM
I still think we fired Shanahan right as we were on the cusp of becoming a great, consistently playoff-bound team.

Thanks for reminding me.

Way too many holes on defense. McCree, Webster, Engleberger and Manuel didn't belong in the NFL.

We have fewer gaping holes on defense now than that 2008 team... and I kinda feel like the whole Marshall and Cutler implosions would have happened anyway.

BroncoBuff
09-13-2011, 04:01 PM
I still think we fired Shanahan right as we were on the cusp of becoming a great, consistently playoff-bound team.

Thanks for reminding me.

If he had kept Larry Coyer, and maybe mellowed on his size-of-a-shopping-mall house megalomania.

Thanks for reminding me.

Taco John
09-13-2011, 04:05 PM
This reminds me of the Griese era with the exception that there were people who were brave enough to defend Griese after games, whereas you can't find anybody willing to stick their neck out for Orton the day after a loss.

epicSocialism4tw
09-13-2011, 04:24 PM
This reminds me of the Griese era with the exception that there were people who were brave enough to defend Griese after games, whereas you can't find anybody willing to stick their neck out for Orton the day after a loss.

Thats because we all know how this story goes, and nobody enjoys this book.