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epicSocialism4tw
09-12-2011, 10:47 PM
We have seen this show before, and it sucks. Broncos fans are done with it.

Play Tebow or give the fans their money back.

OABB
09-12-2011, 10:53 PM
this.

KevinJames
09-12-2011, 10:53 PM
I was an Orton supporter thought maybe he turned a new leaf but I lost all faith in him tonight and I will eat crow on supporting him I don't think Tebow is a instant fix but why not play him see if we need to draft a QB next year.

That One Guy
09-12-2011, 10:54 PM
We have seen this show before, and it sucks. Broncos fans are done with it.

Play Tebow or give the fans their money back.

They're not holding any of my money.

You guys didn't actually buy tickets after being promised Orton would be the QB, did you?

Steve Sewell
09-12-2011, 10:54 PM
Yep it was the same ole Orton tonight...how anyone expected anything different is mystifying to me.

maven
09-12-2011, 10:55 PM
WHERE IS THE FIRE IN YOUR ****ING BELLY ORTON???????????? WHERE IS THE HEART AND SOUL TO DIG OUT A ****ING WIN. TO GIVE YOUR TEAM A CHANCE TO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Dagmar
09-12-2011, 10:56 PM
Our run D was terrible, AGAIN.
However, There is NO way Tebow would have been worse than Orton ****ting the bed. But remember, Tebow only averaged 25 PPG and Orton doesn't care what Denver fans think of him.

epicSocialism4tw
09-12-2011, 10:59 PM
Our run D was terrible, AGAIN.
However, There is NO way Tebow would have been worse than Orton ****ting the bed. But remember, Tebow only averaged 25 PPG and Orton doesn't care what Denver fans think of him.

Yeah we didn't need Mebane, Jenkins, Franklin, or Okoye either.

And Orton obviously gives the Broncos the best chance to win. ::)

BlaK-Argentina
09-12-2011, 11:00 PM
I supported him until tonight.

I am so ****ing done with him.

And unfortunately I'm also starting to lose interest in the team. Goddamnit... I love the Broncos, I really do... but I just can't watch Orton do this over and over and over again. I'm too emotionally invested in the Broncos to continue watching this type of game.

Elway MUST make a move.

ward63
09-12-2011, 11:00 PM
He is not a playmaker or a leader! Possibly an average quarterback that can't take you anywhere. I honestly think Dilfer saw himself on the field. Either that or he has a MAJOR man crush!

Vine
09-12-2011, 11:01 PM
Bottom line: He is who we thought he is.

Broncos4Life
09-12-2011, 11:02 PM
So.... Minus the season ticket holders......Who actually paid money to see a backup QB **** the bed yet again?
Oh....and how many times do YOU Orton supporters have to see this rerun, to wake the **** up?

Dagmar
09-12-2011, 11:03 PM
Yeah we didn't need Mebane, Jenkins, Franklin, or Okoye either.

And Orton obviously gives the Broncos the best chance to win. ::)

Pretty sure u misunderstood my post. If Tebow doesn't start soon I barely know why I will watch. Of course I will and have tickets to 2 games but this is unbearable.

Hey ElwAy? You didn't bring the fans back. Today still sucked.

epicSocialism4tw
09-12-2011, 11:03 PM
Pretty sure u misunderstood my post. If Tebow doesn't start soon I barely know why I will watch. Of course I will and have tickets to 2 games but this is unbearable.

Hey ElwAy? You didn't bring the fans back. Today still sucked.

I was being sarcastic. ;)

I'm venting here.

So far the EFX plan is full of suck.

Bob's your Information Minister
09-12-2011, 11:04 PM
you can say "Hell" you know

BroncoInferno
09-12-2011, 11:04 PM
Might have helped if we'd done better than 13 carries for 38 yards. But carry on...

Agamemnon
09-12-2011, 11:06 PM
I was an Orton supporter thought maybe he turned a new leaf but I lost all faith in him tonight and I will eat crow on supporting him I don't think Tebow is a instant fix but why not play him see if we need to draft a QB next year.

Exactly. Whatever one's expectations for Tebow are we need to start figuring out what we have with him so we know whether or not we need to draft a QB. I still think one year would be a bit premature to come to any conclusion on the matter, but it would be better than remaining completely ignorant while futilely trying to "win now" with Orton.

Garcia Bronco
09-12-2011, 11:07 PM
Between him and the offensive line it was a sore sight. Orton looked totally unprepared and I wonder how much film study took place for this game. Either way..this was a winnable game and Orton couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

Agamemnon
09-12-2011, 11:07 PM
I was being sarcastic. ;)

I'm venting here.

So far the EFX plan is full of suck.

Croneyism rarely works. What are the chances it will work for a snake-bit franchise?

Dr. Broncenstein
09-12-2011, 11:07 PM
Everyone else on the team played well enough to win. Orton is a GD punchbowl turd.

enjolras
09-12-2011, 11:08 PM
Might have helped if we'd done better than 13 carries for 38 yards. But carry on...

Yep.. this is BY FAR the most distressing part. The offensive line was comically, absurdly, and unbelievably bad. I've lost faith in the whole unit outside of Clady. I think Franklin has the chance to develop into a really nice piece... but our interior line (Kuper included) is just in terrible shape.

Garcia Bronco
09-12-2011, 11:10 PM
Yep.. this is BY FAR the most distressing part. The offensive line was comically, absurdly, and unbelievably bad. I've lost faith in the whole unit outside of Clady. I think Franklin has the chance to develop into a really nice piece... but our interior line (Kuper included) is just in terrible shape.

Kuper was gassed tonight and Walton must just be awful at his mental craft.

epicSocialism4tw
09-12-2011, 11:10 PM
Yep.. this is BY FAR the most distressing part. The offensive line was comically, absurdly, and unbelievably bad. I've lost faith in the whole unit outside of Clady. I think Franklin has the chance to develop into a really nice piece... but our interior line (Kuper included) is just in terrible shape.

We lost by 3 even though Orton was given the ball in the red zone by the D, and the offense was able to move the ball only to see Orton cough up an uncaused fumble with a TE wide open in the middle of the field. That play would have put the Broncos in the lead.

This loss falls squarely on the shoulders of Orton.

NFL football is all about taking advantage of opportunities, and that just happens to be the absolute worst part of Orton's game.

Orange4Life
09-12-2011, 11:15 PM
I don't blame Kyle for tonight. He was the same as he has always been. I blame the dumb asses in the FO for putting him out there. We saw Timmy last year. There is no way he could be worse than this. Give Tim his shot and see if he can play. We are going no where this year.

Momentum
09-12-2011, 11:19 PM
Might have helped if we'd done better than 13 carries for 38 yards. But carry on...

We need a RB better than Knowshon Moreno.

OABB
09-12-2011, 11:20 PM
We need a RB better than Knowshon Moreno.

yep. definitely his fault.

BroncoInferno
09-12-2011, 11:20 PM
Yep.. this is BY FAR the most distressing part. The offensive line was comically, absurdly, and unbelievably bad. I've lost faith in the whole unit outside of Clady. I think Franklin has the chance to develop into a really nice piece... but our interior line (Kuper included) is just in terrible shape.

I lost more faith in the OL tonight than I did Orton. Piss poor running game, piss poor pass protection...not that Orton was good. But, still. I really thought the OL had improved in the offseason, but they were horrid tonight.

OABB
09-12-2011, 11:22 PM
I lost more faith in the OL tonight than I did Orton. Piss poor running game, piss poor pass protection...not that Orton was good. But, still. I really thought the OL had improved in the offseason, but they were horrid tonight.

no its knowshons fault. do you watch football? blocks are for average backs. the good ones use their harry potter invisicloak.

BroncoInferno
09-12-2011, 11:22 PM
We need a RB better than Knowshon Moreno.

Our OL sucked tonight. Earl Campbell couldn't have done anything with that blocking, just like the last two seasons. I really though we had improved on the OL, but it didn't look that way tonight.

ScottXray
09-12-2011, 11:23 PM
I don't blame Kyle for tonight. He was the same as he has always been. I blame the dumb asses in the FO for putting him out there. We saw Timmy last year. There is no way he could be worse than this. Give Tim his shot and see if he can play. We are going no where this year.

This! +1

Unfortunately the powers that be at Broncoland think they can win this year with KO. And they will win some....while the possible future sits on the bench and doesn't get any game experience.

come the draft we won't have the record to get us another QB and we will just have to see if TT can do something with a full off season of training and practice.

I just don't see why they can't see that TT is not a practice type of QB...He does best ( and possibly worst until he gets some actual playing time with the first string) in actual game situations.

Fox is NOT going to change unless KO REALLY craps the bed,( as if his performance tonight wasn't a load of Shyt) .

OBF1
09-12-2011, 11:24 PM
Might have helped if we'd done better than 13 carries for 38 yards. But carry on...

When you are not scared of the QB's arm or mobility, you send the house on every play...hence no running game as well.

OBF1
09-12-2011, 11:27 PM
Our OL sucked tonight. Earl Campbell couldn't have done anything with that blocking, just like the last two seasons. I really though we had improved on the OL, but it didn't look that way tonight.

I disagree, Have you ever sat down and watched Barry Sanders run the damn ball? That guy with a good line would have run for 20,000 yards in his career.

razorwire77
09-12-2011, 11:28 PM
Moreno is a really nice 3rd back. He catches the ball, he's an above average blocker on third down, but he will never be a bell-cow back. McFadden is a bell-cow back. The slip, fall and fumble play there was a hole there. TD, Portis or Mike Anderson get 13 yards.

Orton is done even a game manager at this point (and I defended starting him in this game.)

His mannerisms, the fumble (on a potential 20 + yard east throw), the failed progressions, the INT on the Lloyd play (100 percent his fault,) the failure in line calls, the shiit throws on the Eddie drag, the Fells quick out, the Julian Thomas fade miss, it's over for Kyle. This is his Waterloo. Start Tebow, Start Quinn, Start Bradley Van Pelt, let's evaluate some talent and see if we're racing KC and Indy for the Luck sweepstakes, or if we have a QB. The standard is Brady, Rivers, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton (if he comes back), and the next tier is Rapestburger, Flacco, Dog Killer, and Ryan. If we don't have one of those, we're a 4 to 6 win team. Might as well see what we have, and if nothing else, try to find it in the 2012 draft.

Hulamau
09-12-2011, 11:29 PM
Might have helped if we'd done better than 13 carries for 38 yards. But carry on...

I understand your point and certainly it would help. Ive also been if not a supporter of Orton at least a well wisher and hoping he can pull it all together. But he really did crap the bed tonight and just the way he can, and unfortunately often does suck at the worse possible time just sucks the life and momentum out of this team.

He literally stole away 15 points that should have been on the board tonight for a sure victory inspite of everything else Oakland did.

The way he screwed the pooch inside the 10 yard line twice when we had to settle for 3 each time .. the last time actually running into Seymours open arms even though our O-lineman had Seymour blocked was pathetic.

Orton literally ran two yards toward Seymour and did a fetal swoon into his arms on 3rd and goal with all the momentum on our side.

And then near the 20 yard line with a wide open Fells for a sure TD Orton got so excited he simply dropped the ball in a display of some pure un-athleticism and gave the game to Oakland completing a net 14 point swing then with the Raiders taking the fumble and driving it in for 7 and breaking our momentum! That stuff is really hard to watch.

Hopefully, they can get it together better by next week but who here can have any confidence in Orton to pull a win out of a come from behind to win situation??

He just seems to lack whatever it is Tebow has in spades even though Tebow definitely is a slow work in progress too. I'm not giving up by any means due to a 3 point loss to a much improved Raiders team (the last two years) and it isn't the end of the world.

But Fox and company better game plan some more creative ways to get the ball in the end zone from inside the Red zone without depending on #8.... That's obvious to a blind man.

Agamemnon
09-12-2011, 11:29 PM
I disagree, Have you ever sat down and watched Barry Sanders run the damn ball? That guy with a good line would have run for 20,000 yards in his career.

Barry Sanders had average to good lines throughout his career. I've never understood why people think otherwise. And besides Barry Sanders was a unique back who also took A LOT of losses because of his style of running.

Garcia Bronco
09-12-2011, 11:29 PM
When you are not scared of the QB's arm or mobility, you send the house on every play...hence no running game as well.

Yep it's all interconnected and self-defeating. Moreno, the o-line, and Orton.... He system isn't working.

Garcia Bronco
09-12-2011, 11:33 PM
If I sit and think about it...it makes me want to break McDaniel's jaw.

sgbfan
09-12-2011, 11:33 PM
The worst part about Orton, is He's probably good enough to win just enough games so we have to pick about 7th or 8th. The top QB's will be gone, and the top DT's will be gone. We'll be stuck picking a WR or, wait, any other position we need help with. But there's nothing worse than picking 8-12. You aren't even good at sucking.

McDman
09-12-2011, 11:42 PM
We lost by 3 even though Orton was given the ball in the red zone by the D, and the offense was able to move the ball only to see Orton cough up an uncaused fumble with a TE wide open in the middle of the field. That play would have put the Broncos in the lead.

This loss falls squarely on the shoulders of Orton.

NFL football is all about taking advantage of opportunities, and that just happens to be the absolute worst part of Orton's game.

Orton played like dog sh1t, but it does not fall squarely on his shoulders. Our offensive line looked just as bad if not worse than he did, same with our running backs. Just terrible play all around.

If our line is going to give up pressure like this all year then we cannot play Orton, he is only effective when not under pressure. I honestly cannot think of five times where the pocket wasn't moving him around.

epicSocialism4tw
09-12-2011, 11:44 PM
But Fox and company better game plan some more creative ways to get the ball in the end zone from inside the Red zone without depending on #8.... That's obvious to a blind man.

The crazy part about this is because this is what Broncos fans have long come to understand. We know that Orton can occasionally move the ball between the 20's. We know that once he gets there, that he can't punch it it.

I really didn't think that John Fox was so unaware of the tendancies of the players on his team that he didn't understand that.

If he's as clueless as this game makes him appear to be, then expect him to be stubborn on this issue for another 8-10 weeks until he finally cant help but admit defeat when the Broncos are knocked out of contention.

As Broncos fans, nobody wants to wait that long and watch this mess for 8-10 weeks.

That's why most educated Broncos fans thought that the best course of action was to see what Tebow was capable of so that the team could make a good decision on the QB position at the end of this season.

enjolras
09-12-2011, 11:45 PM
The worst part about Orton, is He's probably good enough to win just enough games so we have to pick about 7th or 8th. The top QB's will be gone, and the top DT's will be gone. We'll be stuck picking a WR or, wait, any other position we need help with. But there's nothing worse than picking 8-12. You aren't even good at sucking.

EXACTLY this. It's so hard to be a fan of this team because I don't even see a path to getting better.

epicSocialism4tw
09-12-2011, 11:46 PM
Orton played like dog sh1t, but it does not fall squarely on his shoulders. Our offensive line looked just as bad if not worse than he did, same with our running backs. Just terrible play all around.

If our line is going to give up pressure like this all year then we cannot play Orton, he is only effective when not under pressure. I honestly cannot think of five times where the pocket wasn't moving him around.

His infamous fumble was on a play with a designed moving pocket, and he had all day to throw. He also had all day to throw on that 3rd down in the red zone where he walked right into a Seymour sack.

Orton had plenty of pockets to throw from.

The OL failed in run blocking, not in pass blocking.

Agamemnon
09-12-2011, 11:49 PM
The crazy part about this is because this is what Broncos fans have long come to understand. We know that Orton can occasionally move the ball between the 20's. We know that once he gets there, that he can't punch it it.

I really didn't think that John Fox was so unaware of the tendancies of the players on his team that he didn't understand that.

If he's as clueless as this game makes him appear to be, then expect him to be stubborn on this issue for another 8-10 weeks until he finally cant help but admit defeat when the Broncos are knocked out of contention.

As Broncos fans, nobody wants to wait that long and watch this mess for 8-10 weeks.

That's why most educated Broncos fans thought that the best course of action was to see what Tebow was capable of so that the team could make a good decision on the QB position at the end of this season.

This game has left me very pessimistic on Fox's tenure with us. That was a poorly coached team, and he really doesn't seem to have any clue how to scheme to his talent. He's just another system guy that expects squares to fit into round holes. It's disheartening.

razorwire77
09-12-2011, 11:58 PM
This game has left me very pessimistic on Fox's tenure with us. That was a poorly coached team, and he really doesn't seem to have any clue how to scheme to his talent. He's just another system guy that expects squares to fit into round holes. It's disheartening.

Don't know if I agree with this. Defensively, we were good enough to win this game, and were significantly improved over last year. Granted we need some additional pieces (particularly MLB and CB # 2 and DT depth), but decent. Offensively, McCoy wasn't bad on the scheming side. Oakland is always going to drag us into the 10 penalty game. We need a playmaking QB (if Tebow flops), a starting RB, a center and someone to challenge Beadles. Kuper, Franklin (when he learns how to pass block) and Clady are fine.

smoke4815162342
09-12-2011, 11:58 PM
We tried. Does orton still believe he is worth kevin klob money?

Doggcow
09-13-2011, 12:04 AM
To even bring Barry Sanders up is ****ing stupid. There will never be another Barry Sanders. We shouldn't need a "LEGENDARY" and arguably GOAT RB to make our QB look remotely serviceable. Come the **** on.

RhymesayersDU
09-13-2011, 12:07 AM
You know it's funny, during the offseason I was banging the "we're going to be bad, just start Tebow" drum.

But I'm not going to panic after one game. Personally, I'd give Orton the month of September to turn this around. After that, Tebow time.

And while I agree that we have deficiencies all over the place, so do the Colts, and yet somehow Peyton Manning manages to win 10 games a year. The point being, QBs get all the praise, and they get all the blame. Yeah we can't stop the run, yeah our RBs suck. But boo hoo. Orton needs to win. He needs to perform better than he did tonight.

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 12:09 AM
Don't know if I agree with this. Defensively, we were good enough to win this game, and were significantly improved over last year. Granted we need some additional pieces (particularly MLB and CB # 2 and DT depth), but decent. Offensively, McCoy wasn't bad on the scheming side. Oakland is always going to drag us into the 10 penalty game. We need a playmaking QB (if Tebow flops), a starting RB, a center and someone to challenge Beadles. Kuper, Franklin (when he learns how to pass block) and Clady are fine.

Our defense may be improved. Then again it may not. They were shredded on the ground once again, and the Raiders pass game is terrible (especially now that they don't have Zach Miller) so I'm really not convinced our pass D is that great either. I really didn't see anything that leads me to believe this team is really improved overall.

What I did see is a distressing lack of discipline and imagination on the field. That doesn't leave me feeling optimistic.

Goobzilla
09-13-2011, 12:10 AM
Just a tease of the article on DPO

Kiszla: Broncos' Kyle Orton has lost his credibility with bored fans

Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

enjolras
09-13-2011, 12:13 AM
Don't know if I agree with this. Defensively, we were good enough to win this game, and were significantly improved over last year. Granted we need some additional pieces (particularly MLB and CB # 2 and DT depth), but decent. Offensively, McCoy wasn't bad on the scheming side. Oakland is always going to drag us into the 10 penalty game. We need a playmaking QB (if Tebow flops), a starting RB, a center and someone to challenge Beadles. Kuper, Franklin (when he learns how to pass block) and Clady are fine.

I'm rewatching the game right now. This team had a BUNCH of opportunities to win tonight. How many dropped passes in key situations did we have (I've counted three so far). How many times did we put the ball on the ground needlessly? How many second and shorts turned into second and long due to bad holding penalties?

This is exactly the game that the talking heads told us teams like the Broncos would have. New coaching staffs and a lot of new players combined for a LOT of mistakes.

Hopefully that's all this was.... the end-result of a team not fully prepared to play together as a unit due to a drastically shortened off-season.

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 12:18 AM
To even bring Barry Sanders up is ****ing stupid. There will never be another Barry Sanders. We shouldn't need a "LEGENDARY" and arguably GOAT RB to make our QB look remotely serviceable. Come the **** on.

Barry Sanders never really helped his QBs anyway. I really don't think most people understand what Barry Sanders was like. Typical game for Barry Sanders:

2 yds
-3 yds
5 yds
0 yds
57 yds
-4 yds
45 yds
3 yds
-2 yds
10 yds
-2 yds
0 yds
15yds
-1 yds
7 yds
0 yds
3 yds
1 yds
0 yds

136 yds total

That's a lot of 3rd and longs for his QB even as he has a great statistical day.

wolf754life
09-13-2011, 12:33 AM
I supported him until tonight.

I am so ****ing done with him.

And unfortunately I'm also starting to lose interest in the team. Goddamnit... I love the Broncos, I really do... but I just can't watch Orton do this over and over and over again. I'm too emotionally invested in the Broncos to continue watching this type of game.

Elway MUST make a move.

THIS

colonelbeef
09-13-2011, 05:29 AM
When you are not scared of the QB's arm or mobility, you send the house on every play...hence no running game as well.

BINGO.

Drek
09-13-2011, 05:50 AM
I'd rather see us start Brady Quinn than another week of Kyle Orton.

WolfpackGuy
09-13-2011, 05:53 AM
When you are not scared of the QB's arm or mobility, you send the house on every play...hence no running game as well.

But, but, but it's the offensive line's fault for Orton always being within a 5-yard radius!

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 05:58 AM
Good thing Directv isn't charging me for Sunday Ticket (yet?) this season. I wonder if its because i'm a platinum subscriber and bitched about newbies getting it for free, or, they know i'm a Broncos fan and feel sorry for me.

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 05:58 AM
I'd rather see us start Brady Quinn than another week of Kyle Orton.

Not me, **** no. But I would rather start Weber than either of those ****bags.

errand
09-13-2011, 06:14 AM
We lost by 3 even though Orton was given the ball in the red zone by the D, and the offense was able to move the ball only to see Orton cough up an uncaused fumble with a TE wide open in the middle of the field. That play would have put the Broncos in the lead.

This loss falls squarely on the shoulders of Orton.

NFL football is all about taking advantage of opportunities, and that just happens to be the absolute worst part of Orton's game.

Yes, I agree....Kyle Orton needs to quit turning the ball over twice in a game....and while he's at it he needs to learn how to pass block, run block, keep opposing rushers off of Colquitt, pressure the opposing QB, stop McFadden and catch the passes he throws.....

again, most fans realize that this was a complete and total failure of the TEAM in all aspects and facets of the game...special teams, OL...DL...defense, QB...RB...WR's...coaching, etc...

All you know and see is Orton.....

Dr. Broncenstein
09-13-2011, 06:18 AM
Good thing Directv isn't charging me for Sunday Ticket (yet?) this season. I wonder if its because i'm a platinum subscriber and b****ed about newbies getting it for free, or, they know i'm a Broncos fan and feel sorry for me.

I cancelled mine in lieu of the lockout. Thought about renewing but I'm getting it for free without even asking for it.

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 06:20 AM
You can sit and stare at this - Orton 24/46 304 6.6 1 1 71.3 - all day long, it's still not the same as watching the actual game.

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 06:22 AM
I cancelled mine in lieu of the lockout. Thought about renewing but I'm getting it for free without even asking for it.

If I see a charge come up i'm just going to have it cancelled. I won't pay to watch the team this year with all the streams and whatnot.

They're not worth the money it costs to watch. Now, if they were either winning or exciting to watch, i'd continue to pay. But right now in Week 18 of 2011 they're worth a pixelated free stream.

errand
09-13-2011, 06:23 AM
His infamous fumble was on a play with a designed moving pocket, and he had all day to throw. He also had all day to throw on that 3rd down in the red zone where he walked right into a Seymour sack.

Orton had plenty of pockets to throw from.

The OL failed in run blocking, not in pass blocking.

Ah, bull****...those pussies couldn't block me.

Having all day to throw is great if your WR's can get open...it's tougher to do in red zone as the field shrinks so to speak. 13 carries for 38 yards....and Orton had one of those for 10 himself....so please, don't come in here blaming one guy for this abortion of a game. The entire team sucked save for Decker and i guess Prater.

Aftermath
09-13-2011, 06:23 AM
Barry Sanders had average to good lines throughout his career. I've never understood why people think otherwise. And besides Barry Sanders was a unique back who also took A LOT of losses because of his style of running.

I watched Barry my entire life and he did not have "good" lines you moron.
Don't knock the best RB of all time for no reason, you obviously never watched the Lions when they had him.

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 06:26 AM
Everyone else on the team played well enough to win. Orton is a GD punchbowl turd.


Reading this thread to this point, this post takes the MORON award!

DarkHorse
09-13-2011, 06:40 AM
Ah, bull****...those pussies couldn't block me.

Having all day to throw is great if your WR's can get open...it's tougher to do in red zone as the field shrinks so to speak. 13 carries for 38 yards....and Orton had one of those for 10 himself....so please, don't come in here blaming one guy for this abortion of a game. The entire team sucked save for Decker and i guess Prater.

Umm, go watch that play again friend - McGahee was open and Orton made "his" play - a fold.

fontaine
09-13-2011, 06:49 AM
Yes, I agree....Kyle Orton needs to quit turning the ball over twice in a game....and while he's at it he needs to learn how to pass block, run block, keep opposing rushers off of Colquitt, pressure the opposing QB, stop McFadden and catch the passes he throws.....

again, most fans realize that this was a complete and total failure of the TEAM in all aspects and facets of the game...special teams, OL...DL...defense, QB...RB...WR's...coaching, etc...

All you know and see is Orton.....

That's because we don't have OL/DL/RB just sitting on the bench that can come in and play better.

We do though, have Tebow who can play at least to the same level as Orton AND provide a running option/red zone threat/better long ball QB than Orton.

THAT'S why people see Orton.

The same way people see guys like DJ, Warren hopefully coming back healthy to replace the crappy players that are starting instead.

Really how hard is this to understand?

jhns
09-13-2011, 06:54 AM
People focus on Orton because everyone agrees about the other problems but Ortonites claim Orton isn't part of the problem. This makes everyones heads explode and argue about it. Then there is the fact, yes fact, that Tebow completely outplayed Orton with this same offense.

OABB
09-13-2011, 07:15 AM
Reading this thread to this point, this post takes the MORON award!

hey tgn! how are you buddy? great game from your boy last night...great game.




oh, and how does my ass taste?

Archer81
09-13-2011, 07:16 AM
An arthritic monkey fingering its own ass has more athleticism then Kyle Orton.


:Broncos:

Broncoman13
09-13-2011, 07:24 AM
Reading this thread to this point, this post takes the MORON award!

Please tell me you're not still supporting this average back-up QB... tell me you have more pride in your ability to assess a team's problem than to support this pathetic loser out of spite for the alternative. I know you hate Tebow for what he stands for, but can it be any worse than KO?

ColoradoBuff
09-13-2011, 07:44 AM
I'm rewatching the game right now. This team had a BUNCH of opportunities to win tonight. How many dropped passes in key situations did we have (I've counted three so far). How many times did we put the ball on the ground needlessly? How many second and shorts turned into second and long due to bad holding penalties?

This is exactly the game that the talking heads told us teams like the Broncos would have. New coaching staffs and a lot of new players combined for a LOT of mistakes.

Hopefully that's all this was.... the end-result of a team not fully prepared to play together as a unit due to a drastically shortened off-season.



Any Joe Mays sighting yet?

Inkana7
09-13-2011, 07:45 AM
Get everyone out of here. They all blow.

Dagmar
09-13-2011, 08:08 AM
Please tell me you're not still supporting this average back-up QB... tell me you have more pride in your ability to assess a team's problem than to support this pathetic loser out of spite for the alternative. I know you hate Tebow for what he stands for, but can it be any worse than KO?

He hates Tebow, I doubt he's dumb enough to be in love with KO.

pricejj
09-13-2011, 08:18 AM
If this team falls more than one game below .500, Tebow starts... there is no other logical conclusion.

Odds are heavily in favor of Orton's last day as a starter in a Broncos uniform at Oct. 23, at home against the Chargers...if he makes it that far.

Cannot wait until that day.

go_broncos
09-13-2011, 08:22 AM
Reading this thread to this point, this post takes the MORON award!

****ing moron..Quit supporting Oron..You Dumb asss.
Do you have any clue ?..You supported 'Mcd' cheater and now Orton.
Get the hell out of here..

go_broncos
09-13-2011, 08:23 AM
If this team falls more than one game below .500, Tebow starts... there is no other logical conclusion.

Odds are heavily in favor of Orton's last day as a starter in a Broncos uniform at Oct. 23, at home against the Chargers...if he makes it that far.

Cannot wait until that day.

Why even wait till that time..Just start Tebow.What is the point in starting Orton?

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 08:26 AM
hey tgn! how are you buddy? great game from your boy last night...great game.




oh, and how does my ass taste?


Wouldn't know, considering that you are all ASS. You remind me of the two drunken assholes who sat behind be cheering after every Bronco failure last night. A human boil! Contrary to popular belief they were in the minority.

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 08:29 AM
****ing moron..Quit supporting Oron..You Dumb asss.
Do you have any clue ?..You supported 'Mcd' cheater and now Orton.
Get the hell out of here..

You of all people shouldn;t be talking anything about cheaters. You LOW-LIFE piece of rotten garbage.

go_broncos
09-13-2011, 08:30 AM
You of all people shouldn;t be talking anything about cheaters. You LOW-LIFE piece of rotten garbage.

you ****ing moron.leave my broncos..you ****ing cheater.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-13-2011, 08:33 AM
Reading this thread to this point, this post takes the MORON award!

Sell your RV yet?

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 08:33 AM
you ****ing moron.leave my broncos..you ****ing cheater.

I'm a cheater? You need psych meds you ****ing asshole. You have the audacity to show your face on this board after petraying the trust of fellow OM members by cheating on the Pickem.

You are a piece of ****. No, in fact, a piece of **** deserves more respect than you do.

**** off!

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 08:34 AM
Sell your RV yet?

Go clean some bedpans. Poser!

TheReverend
09-13-2011, 08:34 AM
Wouldn't know, considering that you are all ASS. You remind me of the two drunken a-holes who sat behind be cheering after every Bronco failure last night. A human boil! Contrary to popular belief they were in the minority.

How in the hell is that CONTRARY to popular belief?

Who is expecting Bronco fans to pay money and attend the game and root for failure?

alkemical
09-13-2011, 08:35 AM
Wow, next thing I know - someone's going to be eating paste.

alkemical
09-13-2011, 08:35 AM
How in the hell is that CONTRARY to popular belief?

Who is expecting Bronco fans to pay money and attend the game and root for failure?

It's Bowlen's marketing plan. SoCal posted it on the interwebs.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-13-2011, 08:36 AM
Go clean some bedpans. Poser!

U mad?

bendog
09-13-2011, 08:38 AM
Wow, next thing I know - someone's going to be eating paste.

I love anchovy paste.

alkemical
09-13-2011, 08:38 AM
I love anchovy paste.

Is it made with real paste?

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 08:41 AM
U mad?

Just about having to swallow another loss to the raiders and having to head out to the office this morning after a late night. Aside from that it's just the norm dealing with the asswipes on the mane!


How's that Candy striper life working out for you?

bendog
09-13-2011, 08:41 AM
Is it made with real paste?

no. (-:

alkemical
09-13-2011, 08:43 AM
no. (-:

I'm not in if it's not real paste.

TheReverend
09-13-2011, 08:44 AM
Just about having to swallow another loss to the raiders and having to head out to the office this morning after a late night. Aside from that it's just the norm dealing with the asswipes on the mane!

How's that Candy striper life working out for you?

Your boy's pretty good, huh?

go_broncos
09-13-2011, 08:48 AM
I'm a cheater? You need psych meds you ****ing a-hole. You have the audacity to show your face on this board after petraying the trust of fellow OM members by cheating on the Pickem.

You are a piece of ****. No, in fact, a piece of **** deserves more respect than you do.

**** off!

as i said..you supported Mcd that cheated and ruined the franchise.
you don't have any right to call me cheater.

Added to that..you support Orton..LOL

OABB
09-13-2011, 08:57 AM
Wouldn't know, considering that you are all ASS. You remind me of the two drunken a-holes who sat behind be cheering after every Bronco failure last night. A human boil! Contrary to popular belief they were in the minority.

soooooo..... it tasted like........?

strafen
09-13-2011, 09:01 AM
U mad?You'd think? ROFL!
I've got that freakin' idiot on ignore almost since I've joined the board.
Don't say I don't have an eye for talent. ^5

Quoydogs
09-13-2011, 09:12 AM
Been saying all year. He looks great on paper, he looks great in practice but other then that he sucks. If does not care about the broncos or there fans he is here to collect a paycheck and leave at the end of the day. He has shown he sucks time for the Tebow show !

At this point I would rather lose and watch tebow then almost win and cuss at Orton all night.

ghwk
09-13-2011, 10:08 AM
It can't be lost on Elway et al how poorly Orton set his feet last night. On most of the pass plays he was going all Riverdance like a contestant on dancing with the stars. Perhaps that's what he was auditioning for.

I give him 4 games beofre he is pulled. The FO has to give him time to lose the team even though he has already lost the fans.

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 10:15 AM
as i said..you supported Mcd that cheated and ruined the franchise.
you don't have any right to call me cheater.

Added to that..you support Orton..LOL


You didn't make it past the 3rd grade, did ya?

Now you most likely work in a dead end job which requires you to wear a company isssued uni with your name on the pocket. So, in your life an accomplishment is to win a no-money pickem league, and resort to cheating to do so. Then you attempt to deflect by screaming "hey, look over there". That childish manuever works in elementary school, but not once you're dealing with adults. You are a sad little man and should return to finish grade school.

You are a cheater, a liar, and probably steal from your friends and family.

jhns
09-13-2011, 10:16 AM
At least we know this loss rolled right off Ortons back. After all, why would a player care about games vs division rivals(or games period)?

jhns
09-13-2011, 10:17 AM
You didn't make it past the 3rd grade, did ya?

Now you most likely work in a dead end job which requires you to wear a company isssued uni with your name on the pocket. So, in your life an accomplishment is to win a no-money pickem league, and resort to cheating to do so. Then you attempt to deflect by screaming "hey, look over there". That childish manuever works in elementary school, but not once you're dealing with adults. You are a sad little man and should return to finish grade school.

You are a cheater, a liar, and probably steal from your friends and family.

Still trying to deflect from the fact that you love and support everything that is bad for this franchise? You do realize this makes you a raiders fan, right?

Rohirrim
09-13-2011, 10:20 AM
Judging by his preseason performance, Tebow would be more entertaining to watch, and lose more games than Orton would.

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 10:21 AM
Been saying all year. He looks great on paper, he looks great in practice but other then that he sucks. If does not care about the broncos or there fans he is here to collect a paycheck and leave at the end of the day. He has shown he sucks time for the Tebow show !

At this point I would rather lose and watch tebow then almost win and cuss at Orton all night.


another mensa candidate post.

Somebody has to pick the veggies.

jhns
09-13-2011, 10:22 AM
Judging by his preseason performance, Tebow would be more entertaining to watch, and lose more games than Orton would.

McFans continue to show their "intelligence". Keep hating the Broncos...

pricejj
09-13-2011, 10:22 AM
Why even wait till that time..Just start Tebow.What is the point in starting Orton?

Don't worry, I think Orton should have been done last year.

All I am saying is, at any point in the year when the broncos drop more than one game below .500, the roar from the fan base will be too much, and there will be no logical explanation for EFX to keep starting Orton.

Orton will have to win 3 out of the next 4 (including a home win against San Diego in week 5), otherwise he is done. Tebow starts after the bye week.

Orton loses next week he is done.

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 10:22 AM
Judging by his preseason performance, Tebow would be more entertaining to watch, and lose more games than Orton would.



But....the brains of the OM would be tickled pink.Hilarious!

Rohirrim
09-13-2011, 10:23 AM
McFans continue to show their "intelligence". Keep hating the Broncos...

And you keep showing what an idiot you are. Believe me, proof is no longer needed.

vancejohnson82
09-13-2011, 10:23 AM
team has a lot more problems than Orton

btw, anyone count how many drops we had last night?

jhns
09-13-2011, 10:24 AM
And you keep showing what an idiot you are. Believe me, proof is no longer needed.

Says the guy that supported McDaniels. Says the guy supporting Orton...

LOL @ the stupidity.

DomCasual
09-13-2011, 10:24 AM
From Don Banks column on CNNSI today:
When I'm watching Kyle Orton play quarterback, I can't help but think I'm watching the league's modern-day Steve DeBerg, who was once aptly described by his head coach, Bill Walsh, as "just good enough to get you beat.''
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/09/13/fresh.starts/index.html#ixzz1Xr23WNbk

OABB
09-13-2011, 10:26 AM
Judging by his preseason performance, Tebow would be more entertaining to watch, and lose more games than Orton would.

judging by this post, rohirrim would be more entertaining to read, if he wasn't a complete ****ing moron who doesn't understand the basic fundamentals of truth and football.

OABB
09-13-2011, 10:28 AM
team has a lot more problems than Orton

btw, anyone count how many drops we had last night?

counting ortons that cost us the game? I think about 5.

WolfpackGuy
09-13-2011, 10:29 AM
team has a lot more problems than Orton

btw, anyone count how many drops we had last night?

By the players' feet or hands?

OABB
09-13-2011, 10:30 AM
But....the brains of the OM would be tickled pink.Hilarious!

If I was you, I would currently be hiding under a rock. you have been so asspwned by your cocknobling lovers spunk that your idiocy is legendary and your opinion, ****.

go **** yourself you rooting for the broncos demise non fan ****stain.

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 10:34 AM
.......and another loser chimes in from the basement of grandmas house.


Hey OABB did the cops come to your house yet?

Stagger Lee
09-13-2011, 10:36 AM
Judging by his preseason performance, Tebow would be more entertaining to watch, and lose more games than Orton would.

Orton has lost 19 of his last 24 starts. Wouldn't it be virtually impossible for anybody, let alone Tebow, to lose more than that?

jhns
09-13-2011, 10:39 AM
Orton has lost 19 of his last 24 starts. Wouldn't it be virtually impossible for anybody, let alone Tebow, to lose more than that?

You really think Orton fans are going to get simple logic?

OABB
09-13-2011, 10:39 AM
.......and another loser chimes in from the basement of grandmas house.


Hey OABB did the cops come to your house yet?

why would they do that tensi?

listen, you got assraped last night. you should be sitting on a bucket off ice you ****ing low life cumchugging bucket of asscheese.

How am I a loser? because I said Orton sucks and you fought with me? that doesn't make me the loser drippysphincter, that makes me a winner...over you.


here is my victory dance...can you see it?

it feels so so so good.


here comes the spin.....


and now the big finish...


pow! splits on your face.



choke on my winning scrote.

Stagger Lee
09-13-2011, 10:42 AM
You really think Orton fans are going to get simple logic?

I just don't understand how any Broncos fan would want to watch even another minute of what we've had to endure over the last year and a half. I'm personally sick to death of it.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 10:42 AM
Believe me, proof is no longer needed.
It's certainly not needed to show that Orton is worthless either.

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 10:44 AM
why would they do that tensi?

listen, you got assraped last night. you should be sitting on a bucket off ice you ****ing low life cumchugging bucket of asscheese.

How am I a loser? because I said Orton sucks and you fought with me? that doesn't make me the loser drippysphincter, that makes me a winner...over you.


here is my victory dance...can you see it?

it feels so so so good.


here comes the spin.....


and now the big finish...


pow! splits on your face.



choke on my winning scrote.

LOL


Like I said. A ****ing loser with obvious gay tendencies.

OABB
09-13-2011, 10:44 AM
And you keep showing what an idiot you are. Believe me, proof is no longer needed.

since when did you care about proof? Tebows preseason performance will net us more losses than orton?


there is proof of idiocy in your post afterall.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 10:44 AM
Judging by his preseason performance, Tebow would be more entertaining to watch, and lose more games than Orton would.
Did you deduce this from Tebow's superior play in real games last year or from his better QB rating in pre-season, or were you just inspired by Orton last night and went with a gut feeling in spite of the facts?

OABB
09-13-2011, 10:45 AM
LOL


Like I said. A ****ing loser with obvious gay tendencies.

I just love to dance and shove my nutsack in your face. What's gay about that?

Rohirrim
09-13-2011, 10:45 AM
judging by this post, rohirrim would be more entertaining to read, if he wasn't a complete ****ing moron who doesn't understand the basic fundamentals of truth and football.

I'm waiting for a new religion to form: Tebowism. Obviously, you'll be a charter member, followed closely by jhns. I was going to add that you could build a shrine, but then it occurred to me, you probably already have one. There used to another religion called AlexSmithianity. But it seems to be petering out. Oh well. Such is the nature of cults. They come and go.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 10:45 AM
I just don't understand how any Broncos fan would want to watch even another minute of what we've had to endure over the last year and a half. I'm personally sick to death of it.

It's utterly dumbfounding.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 10:47 AM
I'm waiting for a new religion to form: Tebowism. Obviously, you'll be a charter member, followed closely by jhns. I was going to add that you could build a shrine, but then it occurred to me, you probably already have one. There used to another religion called AlexSmithianity. But it seems to be petering out. Oh well. Such is the nature of cults. They come and go.

Ahh, the religious hate rationale for why Orton gives us a better chance to win. Your takes make more sense now.

jhns
09-13-2011, 10:47 AM
I'm waiting for a new religion to form: Tebowism. Obviously, you'll be a charter member, followed closely by jhns. I was going to add that you could build a shrine, but then it occurred to me, you probably already have one. There used to another religion called AlexSmithianity. But it seems to be petering out. Oh well. Such is the nature of cults. They come and go.

Don't get upset because you are always wrong. It happens to all dumb people.

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 10:47 AM
I just love to dance and shove my nutsack in your face. What's gay about that?

That's about as gay as one can get. Wanting to shove your nutsack in another mans face is ****ING GAY.

You suck cock too, don't you?

OABB
09-13-2011, 10:49 AM
That's about as gay as one can get. Wanting to shove your nutsack in another mans face is ****ING GAY.

You suck cock too, don't you?

not another mans face, your face.

a man's face would be totally gay.

OABB
09-13-2011, 10:50 AM
I'm waiting for a new religion to form: Tebowism. Obviously, you'll be a charter member, followed closely by jhns. I was going to add that you could build a shrine, but then it occurred to me, you probably already have one. There used to another religion called AlexSmithianity. But it seems to be petering out. Oh well. Such is the nature of cults. They come and go.


Tebowism is the only religion based off of actual fact. so, sign me up.

Rohirrim
09-13-2011, 10:50 AM
It's certainly not needed to show that Orton is worthless either.

I've never thought Orton was much more than a good backup. Now I find that he's the devil incarnate. It's just surprising. Let's call Max von Sydow! Put an average QB on a bad team and what happens? Of course, you can put a good QB on a bad team and the same thing will happen. Tebow is not the answer to our prayers. We need an Oline and defensive linemen who weren't picked up in the bargain bin. I've always believed in one unassailable truth: It starts with the lines. Our lines suck.

Steve Sewell
09-13-2011, 10:50 AM
why would they do that tensi?

listen, you got assraped last night. you should be sitting on a bucket off ice you ****ing low life cumchugging bucket of asscheese.

How am I a loser? because I said Orton sucks and you fought with me? that doesn't make me the loser drippysphincter, that makes me a winner...over you.


here is my victory dance...can you see it?

it feels so so so good.


here comes the spin.....


and now the big finish...


pow! splits on your face.



choke on my winning scrote.

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 10:51 AM
not another mans face, your face.

a man's face would be totally gay.


Make up your mind, you little ******!

Rohirrim
09-13-2011, 10:51 AM
Ahh, the religious hate rationale for why Orton gives us a better chance to win. Your takes make more sense now.

You missed the point. No surprise there.

WolfpackGuy
09-13-2011, 10:51 AM
There is some funny and disturbing **** in this thread!

LOL

TheReverend
09-13-2011, 10:51 AM
Make up your mind, you little ******!

He's saying you're a woman.

vonqkilla
09-13-2011, 10:52 AM
Wow gay hate? Grow up.

Kyle sucks outside of flag football

OABB
09-13-2011, 10:52 AM
Make up your mind, you little ******!

what aren't you getting here?


let me simplify it.


my nuts, your face, not gay.






cause you are a woman.





man you are stupid.

vonqkilla
09-13-2011, 10:53 AM
Tebowism is the only religion based off of actual fact. so, sign me up.

X2 man.

Drek
09-13-2011, 10:57 AM
team has a lot more problems than Orton

btw, anyone count how many drops we had last night?

Do you count balls Orton skipped at their feet, threw behind, over, and in front of them as drops?

Because there were far more of those than legitimate drops.

Rohirrim
09-13-2011, 10:58 AM
Tebowism is the only religion based off of actual fact. so, sign me up.

I doubt Tebow will have a better career than Orton has had. Probably worse.

TheReverend
09-13-2011, 10:59 AM
Do you count balls Orton skipped at their feet, threw behind, over, and in front of them as drops?

Because there were far more of those than legitimate drops.

I liked the one 5 yards behind Lloyd right to Rout that when Lloyd reached over Rout and somehow almost managed to catch it, people were like "Gotta catch that Lloyd!"

Ha!

TailgateNut
09-13-2011, 10:59 AM
what aren't you getting here?


let me simplify it.


my nuts, your face, not gay.






cause you are a woman.





man you are stupid.


You aren't even worth my time anymore. You can return to hiding in bathroom stalls hoping to get a glimpse of a real man.

WolfpackGuy
09-13-2011, 11:01 AM
I liked the one 5 yards behind Lloyd right to Rout that when Lloyd reached over Rout and somehow almost managed to catch it, people were like "Gotta catch that Lloyd!"

Ha!

Yeah, that play burned me up.

Lloyd would've walked in with just an average throw.

Stagger Lee
09-13-2011, 11:03 AM
I doubt Tebow will have a better career than Orton has had. Probably worse.

We'll never know until they play him. The only fact that we have in front of us right now is that Orton isn't ever going to win in Denver. Might as well put the kid in and let him prove that he sucks, or maybe, that he can actually play in this league.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 11:04 AM
I've never thought Orton was much more than a good backup. Now I find that he's the devil incarnate. It's just surprising. Let's call Max von Sydow! Put an average QB on a bad team and what happens? Of course, you can put a good QB on a bad team and the same thing will happen. Tebow is not the answer to our prayers. We need an Oline and defensive linemen who weren't picked up in the bargain bin. I've always believed in one unassailable truth: It starts with the lines. Our lines suck.

I don't pray, so I'm not hoping for Tebow to be some ethereal answer. I'm expecting that, when given the chance, he'll produce points. Just like he did has a rookie.

OABB
09-13-2011, 11:04 AM
I doubt Tebow will have a better career than Orton has had. Probably worse.

ok. great?

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 11:06 AM
You missed the point. No surprise there.

No I didn't. I just took from it the point you didn't realize you put forth.

Stagger Lee
09-13-2011, 11:06 AM
I don't pray, so I'm not hoping for Tebow to be some ethereal answer. I'm expecting that, when given the chance, he'll produce points. Just like he did has a rookie.

Same here. I'm not a religious guy at all, just somebody who wants to see the Broncos win, which is something that has been seen way to rarely over the last 18 months.

maven
09-13-2011, 11:07 AM
I just don't understand how any Broncos fan would want to watch even another minute of what we've had to endure over the last year and a half. I'm personally sick to death of it.

2 years going onto 3 now. There's some dumb ****ing people out there.

Rohirrim
09-13-2011, 11:12 AM
I'm not at all opposed to putting Tebow out there. Go ahead. Hell, put Quinn or Weber out there. It won't matter. This team is like a big, swiss cheese. Full of holes. It doesn't really matter who's taking the snaps. Tebow didn't excel in the pre-season. I don't know why people think that will change when the games are real and the intensity level goes up.

Smiling Assassin27
09-13-2011, 11:18 AM
I'm not at all opposed to putting Tebow out there. Go ahead. Hell, put Quinn or Weber out there. It won't matter. This team is like a big, swiss cheese. Full of holes. It doesn't really matter who's taking the snaps. Tebow didn't excel in the pre-season. I don't know why people think that will change when the games are real and the intensity level goes up.

People don't necessarily think this. What some of us think is that we will lose a large number of games with orton at qb. We will likely lose a comparable number with tebow at qb. But tebow must be given the chance to sink or swim, and even get better by facing live bullets. Orton represents a step back or sideways, while tebow represents the possibility of steps forward.

Given the options, let's give Tebow the ball and develop the guy, cuz practice reps don't develop a guy who excels in game situations.

All things being equal--bad line, bad runners, etc., let's lose and maybe find a qb.

WolfpackGuy
09-13-2011, 11:22 AM
I think most fans are resigned to the fact the team is going to suck, but Fox's head will be on the block if he sticks with Bore-ton.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 11:27 AM
I liked the one 5 yards behind Lloyd right to Rout that when Lloyd reached over Rout and somehow almost managed to catch it, people were like "Gotta catch that Lloyd!"

Ha!There were more than a handful of terrible throws combined with an equal number of horrible reads.

If you want to vomit watch the 2nd possession closely. Yeah the one where we could have seized control of the game after a huge TO.

1st and 10 (oak 15)- Play action. Royal wide open underneath on the fake. Orton misses the read, tosses the ball out of bounds at the first hint of pressure.

2nd and 10 (oak 15)- Orton throws a terrible bubble screen to Fells, who manages to pick up 5 yards after catching the ball at his ankles and being taken into the defender. The ball was exactly the opposite of where it should have been.

3rd and 5 (oak 10)- Shotgun, Raiders rush 4. Orton has a perfect pocket, and 30 yards of open space to his left. Instead of stepping up and sliding to space, he steps directly into the engaged defender and throws to a double covered Fells.

Meanwhile Moreno is wide open directly in front of him at the 5 for a first down, and Decker is wide open directly in front of him at the goal line for a likely TD. If Orton has even the bare minimum of pocket presence he would see that there were 3 better options on a that play. Instead he panics and throws a terrible ball into double coverage and sets a tone of suck for the rest of the game.

Stagger Lee
09-13-2011, 11:29 AM
There were more than a handful of terrible throws combined with an equal number of horrible reads.

If you want to vomit watch the 2nd possession closely. Yeah the one where we could have seized control of the game after a huge TO.

1st and 10 (oak 15)- Play action. Royal wide open underneath on the fake. Orton misses the read, tosses the ball out of bounds at the first hint of pressure.

2nd and 10 (oak 15)- Orton throws a terrible bubble screen to Fells, who manages to pick up 5 yards after catching the ball at his ankles and being taken into the defender. The ball was exactly the opposite of where it should have been.

3rd and 5 (oak 10)- Shotgun, Raiders rush 4. Orton has a perfect pocket, and 30 yards of open space to his left. Instead of stepping up and sliding to space, he steps directly into the engaged defender and throws to a double covered Fells.

Meanwhile Moreno is wide open directly in front of him at the 5 for a first down, and Decker is wide open directly in front of him at the goal line for a likely TD. If Orton has even the bare minimum of pocket presence he would see that there were 3 better options on a that play. Instead he panics and throws a terrible ball into double coverage and sets a tone of suck for the rest of the game.

And that, unfortunately, will be a snapshot of about 75% of our red zone possessions. I'm glad I've got Prater on my fantasy team.

OABB
09-13-2011, 11:31 AM
You aren't even worth my time anymore. You can return to hiding in bathroom stalls hoping to get a glimpse of a real man.

Don't need the stalls, the mirror works just fine.




oh and by the way.

































I win.


(victory dance)

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 02:59 PM
I watched Barry my entire life and he did not have "good" lines you moron.
Don't knock the best RB of all time for no reason, you obviously never watched the Lions when they had him.

Cool story. You are wrong, but yeah your story, it was cool.

And just to be clear, anyone who say that Barry Sanders was the greatest running back of all time is an idiot. He was the most elusive and agile running back of all time, not the greatest.

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 03:01 PM
I'm not at all opposed to putting Tebow out there. Go ahead. Hell, put Quinn or Weber out there. It won't matter. This team is like a big, swiss cheese. Full of holes. It doesn't really matter who's taking the snaps. Tebow didn't excel in the pre-season. I don't know why people think that will change when the games are real and the intensity level goes up.

Tebow had a 109 Qb rating in the preseason. How exactly is that not excelling?

errand
09-13-2011, 03:10 PM
People focus on Orton because everyone agrees about the other problems but Ortonites claim Orton isn't part of the problem. This makes everyones heads explode and argue about it. Then there is the fact, yes fact, that Tebow completely outplayed Orton with this same offense.

Never said Orton had zero culpability in our problems.....we just don't believe he's the only problem ....or the main reason we lost.

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 03:25 PM
Never said Orton had zero culpability in our problems.....we just don't believe he's the only problem ....or the main reason we lost.

And therefore you are an idiot. Bravo.

Rohirrim
09-13-2011, 03:28 PM
Tebow had a 109 Qb rating in the preseason. How exactly is that not excelling?

And we lost every game. :spit:

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 03:28 PM
People don't necessarily think this. What some of us think is that we will lose a large number of games with orton at qb. We will likely lose a comparable number with tebow at qb. But tebow must be given the chance to sink or swim, and even get better by facing live bullets. Orton represents a step back or sideways, while tebow represents the possibility of steps forward.

Given the options, let's give Tebow the ball and develop the guy, cuz practice reps with 2nd and 3rd stringersdon't develop a guy who excels in game situations.

All things being equal--bad line, bad runners, etc., let's lose and maybe find a qb.

Helping make your point a bit stronger.

Tombstone RJ
09-13-2011, 03:30 PM
There were more than a handful of terrible throws combined with an equal number of horrible reads.

If you want to vomit watch the 2nd possession closely. Yeah the one where we could have seized control of the game after a huge TO.

1st and 10 (oak 15)- Play action. Royal wide open underneath on the fake. Orton misses the read, tosses the ball out of bounds at the first hint of pressure.

2nd and 10 (oak 15)- Orton throws a terrible bubble screen to Fells, who manages to pick up 5 yards after catching the ball at his ankles and being taken into the defender. The ball was exactly the opposite of where it should have been.

3rd and 5 (oak 10)- Shotgun, Raiders rush 4. Orton has a perfect pocket, and 30 yards of open space to his left. Instead of stepping up and sliding to space, he steps directly into the engaged defender and throws to a double covered Fells.

Meanwhile Moreno is wide open directly in front of him at the 5 for a first down, and Decker is wide open directly in front of him at the goal line for a likely TD. If Orton has even the bare minimum of pocket presence he would see that there were 3 better options on a that play. Instead he panics and throws a terrible ball into double coverage and sets a tone of suck for the rest of the game.

When the Broncos kicked that field goal and then chokeland got the ball back, I knew the game was over.

All I hoping for is that faiders to shoot themselves in the foot a few times by either giving up big first downs on penalties or by Campbell somehow throwing a big time pick.

But no, nope. The faiders made just enough plays to win the game while Orton crapt his pants again.

Agamemnon
09-13-2011, 03:31 PM
And we lost every game. :spit:

Errr...we did? Guess I missed that...

Tombstone RJ
09-13-2011, 03:32 PM
There were more than a handful of terrible throws combined with an equal number of horrible reads.

If you want to vomit watch the 2nd possession closely. Yeah the one where we could have seized control of the game after a huge TO.

1st and 10 (oak 15)- Play action. Royal wide open underneath on the fake. Orton misses the read, tosses the ball out of bounds at the first hint of pressure.

2nd and 10 (oak 15)- Orton throws a terrible bubble screen to Fells, who manages to pick up 5 yards after catching the ball at his ankles and being taken into the defender. The ball was exactly the opposite of where it should have been.

3rd and 5 (oak 10)- Shotgun, Raiders rush 4. Orton has a perfect pocket, and 30 yards of open space to his left. Instead of stepping up and sliding to space, he steps directly into the engaged defender and throws to a double covered Fells.

Meanwhile Moreno is wide open directly in front of him at the 5 for a first down, and Decker is wide open directly in front of him at the goal line for a likely TD. If Orton has even the bare minimum of pocket presence he would see that there were 3 better options on a that play. Instead he panics and throws a terrible ball into double coverage and sets a tone of suck for the rest of the game.

When the Broncos kicked that field goal and then chokeland got the ball back, I knew the game was over.

All I hoping for is to have the faiders shoot themselves in the foot a few times by either giving up big first downs on penalties or by Campbell somehow throwing a big time pick.

But no, nope. The faiders made just enough plays to win the game while Orton crapt his pants again.

Dedhed
09-13-2011, 03:37 PM
Never said Orton had zero culpability in our problems.....we just don't believe he's the only problem ....or the main reason we lost.

There isn't a single person who's even alluded to the retarded notion that Orton is the only problem on this team, and it's feeble minded and dishonest to suggest that is what people are saying.

Of course, feeble minded, dishonest arguments are the only remaining possibilities if you aren't calling for Orton's immediate benching.

He's not the main reason we've lost 19 of the last 24 games, but he is the main reason we lost last night, and, more importantly, he'll never be the reason we win games like last night.

Orton is not at all a part of the solution for getting this franchise out of the gutter, and should be treated as such.

BroncoBuff
09-13-2011, 03:48 PM
People don't necessarily think this. What some of us think is that we will lose a large number of games with orton at qb. We will likely lose a comparable number with tebow at qb. But tebow must be given the chance to sink or swim, and even get better by facing live bullets. Orton represents a step back or sideways, while tebow represents the possibility of steps forward.

Given the options, let's give Tebow the ball and develop the guy, cuz practice reps don't develop a guy who excels in game situations.

All things being equal--bad line, bad runners, etc., let's lose and maybe find a qb.

DING-DING-DING ... THIS!

Hello everybody?

BroncoBuff
09-13-2011, 03:53 PM
This is exactly what Orton gets us ... he's just good enough to sprinkle in 4 or 5 wins, which means:



http://thematchupszone.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/nfl-draft-roger-goodell.jpg
With the Number 9 pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the
Denver Broncos select ... NextRobert Ayers!



OTOH, Tebow gets us either, 1) A guy we can maybe build on, or 2) Andrew Luck.

zdoor
09-13-2011, 03:54 PM
DING-DING-DING ... THIS!

Hello everybody?

Double this

uplink
09-13-2011, 05:28 PM
I'm not an Orton hater, he isn't too bad. However I have so little confidence the guy can lead a comeback in the 4th quarter of a game.

Last night I just knew he couldn't do it. In the past I would get nervous at the end of the Broncos games when it is close, but with Kyle I don't. I just know he isn't going to play good ball when the game is on the line.

errand
09-13-2011, 05:33 PM
There isn't a single person who's even alluded to the retarded notion that Orton is the only problem on this team, and it's feeble minded and dishonest to suggest that is what people are saying.

Of course, feeble minded, dishonest arguments are the only remaining possibilities if you aren't calling for Orton's immediate benching.

He's not the main reason we've lost 19 of the last 24 games, but he is the main reason we lost last night, and, more importantly, he'll never be the reason we win games like last night.

Orton is not at all a part of the solution for getting this franchise out of the gutter, and should be treated as such.

Ahhh bull****....

Do you even read the f****** posts you guys make
... you guys have never put the blame on anyone but orton.......

So is it a conspiracy theory that john fox did not even consider to put tim tebow in?

uplink
09-13-2011, 05:34 PM
Haven't seen too many broncos comebacks in awhile so its nice to watch this one every now and again.
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Dedhed
09-13-2011, 06:02 PM
Ahhh bull****....

Do you even read the ******* posts you guys make
... you guys have never put the blame on anyone but orton.......

So is it a conspiracy theory that john fox did not even consider to put tim tebow in?You're clearly not willing to engage in an actual conversation. It's blind support of Orton at this point. I get it.

Bronx33
09-13-2011, 06:08 PM
Orton doesnt have to worry about impressing the fans anymore he has to worry about his next paying gig with the NFL.

epicSocialism4tw
09-13-2011, 06:09 PM
Orton doesnt have to worry about impressing the fans anymore he has to worry about his next paying gig with the NFL.

Yeah, he made that clear to us in the offseason.

Doggcow
09-13-2011, 06:12 PM
It's a win, win, win to start tebow.

Gets rid of orton,
Has a chance to prove everyone wrong and be a starter,
Fails and gets us Luck or another qb to fix the problem...

vonqkilla
09-13-2011, 06:20 PM
No escalators

epicSocialism4tw
09-13-2011, 06:25 PM
No escalators

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strafen
09-13-2011, 06:33 PM
It's a win, win, win to start tebow.

Gets rid of orton,
Has a chance to prove everyone wrong and be a starter,
Fails and gets us Luck or another qb to fix the problem...

I think that's what everybody want or should want.
It really is logical.
We have a QB in Tebow that nobody is certain of what he can do with the 1st team for a period of time, and I'm not talking one game.
If Tebow makes it the way I think he can, we will have our QBOTF who I think can get us very far.
That to me is what I would bet on happening if Tebow gets a chance.

Now, on the flip side, let's assume for a second he can't QB in the NFL like most people been saying, well...then there you have it, we will be drafting a QB.
But if Orton continues to play out the season and we stink, then would we be talking about drafting a QB, Andrew Luck in this case, and still know nothing about Tebow?
Worse yet, they decide next year not to draft a QB and make Tebow the starter, and still not knowing what we have, or what he can do...

Man, this really drives me up the wall!

Doggcow
09-13-2011, 06:38 PM
I think that's what everybody want or should want.
It really is logical.
We have a QB in Tebow that nobody is certain of what he can do with the 1st team for a period of time, and I'm not talking one game.
If Tebow makes it the way I think he can, we will have our QBOTF who I think can get us very far.
That to me is what I would bet on happening if Tebow gets a chance.

Now, on the flip side, let's assume for a second he can't QB in the NFL like most people been saying, well...then there you have it, we will be drafting a QB.
But if Orton continues to play out the season and we stink, then would we be talking about drafting a QB, Andrew Luck in this case, and still know nothing about Tebow?
Worse yet, they decide next year not to draft a QB and make Tebow the starter, and still not knowing what we have, or what he can do...

Man, this really drives me up the wall!

Exactly. My god I would love tebow to prove everyone wrong too.

Circle Orange
09-13-2011, 08:11 PM
Is there any truth to the ESPN rumor that Orton made statements of not caring what the fans think? While it may be true, he isn't helping his case any. Dude's totally stiff and undynamic: in Chicago, the team liked him for being steady and solid. Translation? Boring as hell. http://scosoft.com/s/v/3f6462.gif

Turd_Ferguson
09-13-2011, 09:00 PM
Ignoring a problem wont fix it. Orton sucks. He sucks more in the red zone. He is not athletic, and usually looks like he is about to trip over his own feet. He is not a Bronco he is a clydesdale.

baja
09-13-2011, 09:11 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=1851&dateline=1315329430

Miss I.
09-13-2011, 09:23 PM
I liked the one 5 yards behind Lloyd right to Rout that when Lloyd reached over Rout and somehow almost managed to catch it, people were like "Gotta catch that Lloyd!"

Ha!

Actually that was the pass that just put me where I am now. I am not saying Kyle didn't have a crap o-line, but I couldn't figure out why that pass was so bad. I know when I saw it, "I thought, damn that dude throws like me and I have big boobs in my way (yeah, yeah worthless without pics)." Actually I thought Lloyd was not expecting that ball where it went, but evidently the Raider was and it ticked me off.

The game as a whole was crap though, Kyle only one contributor. The penalty **** was amateurish panic mode stupid play and I remember seeing the same weak **** screw the team in London out of at least 1 and I think 2 TD.

I only want to see Tebow now to see if he has any ability to make some plays with his arm in a real game against someone other than a ****acular Houston team, but I don't really know he's the answer either but it'd be interesting to see.

schaaf
09-13-2011, 09:36 PM
Actually that was the pass that just put me where I am now. I am not saying Kyle didn't have a crap o-line, but I couldn't figure out why that pass was so bad. I know when I saw it, "I thought, damn that dude throws like me and I have big boobs in my way (yeah, yeah worthless without pics)." Actually I thought Lloyd was not expecting that ball where it went, but evidently the Raider was and it ticked me off.

The game as a whole was crap though, Kyle only one contributor. The penalty **** was amateurish panic mode stupid play and I remember seeing the same weak **** screw the team in London out of at least 1 and I think 2 TD.

I only want to see Tebow now to see if he has any ability to make some plays with his arm in a real game against someone other than a ****acular Houston team, but I don't really know he's the answer either but it'd be interesting to see.

How big of boobs we talking here???

epicSocialism4tw
09-13-2011, 10:44 PM
Is there any truth to the ESPN rumor that Orton made statements of not caring what the fans think?

Yes. Orton said a couple of things in camp:

"Thank God the people don't make the decisions on who's starting", "my last goal is to win over the fans."

and

"I don't play for the fans."

----------------------------------------------------

Pretty stupid things to say.

Archer81
09-13-2011, 10:49 PM
Actually that was the pass that just put me where I am now. I am not saying Kyle didn't have a crap o-line, but I couldn't figure out why that pass was so bad. I know when I saw it, "I thought, damn that dude throws like me and I have big boobs in my way (yeah, yeah worthless without pics)." Actually I thought Lloyd was not expecting that ball where it went, but evidently the Raider was and it ticked me off.

The game as a whole was crap though, Kyle only one contributor. The penalty **** was amateurish panic mode stupid play and I remember seeing the same weak **** screw the team in London out of at least 1 and I think 2 TD.

I only want to see Tebow now to see if he has any ability to make some plays with his arm in a real game against someone other than a ****acular Houston team, but I don't really know he's the answer either but it'd be interesting to see.


:worthless

:wiggle:

:Broncos:

ton80
09-14-2011, 12:12 AM
EXACTLY this. It's so hard to be a fan of this team because I don't even see a path to getting better.

Bull****. This team is way better than last year. Our defense looks much improved. If Orton and the coaching staff hadn't **** all over themselves, this would have been an easy victory. To think things are not improving is simply being pessimistic.

Belichick has talked about how a team performs after week 1 speaks tons about the rest of the season. Honestly, lets bring your level of pessimism to the forum after week 2.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 12:15 AM
Bull****. This team is way better than last year. Our defense looks much improved. If Orton and the coaching staff hadn't **** all over themselves, this would have been an easy victory. To think things are not improving is simply being pessimistic.

Belichick has talked about how a team performs after week 1 speaks tons about the rest of the season. Honestly, lets bring your level of pessimism to the forum after week 2.

How exactly are they improved? We had better games last year, and we had worse. Right now they look like the same crap as before. Not sure what you saw in this game to think otherwise.

Hulamau
09-14-2011, 01:56 PM
The crazy part about this is because this is what Broncos fans have long come to understand. We know that Orton can occasionally move the ball between the 20's. We know that once he gets there, that he can't punch it it.

I really didn't think that John Fox was so unaware of the tendancies of the players on his team that he didn't understand that.

If he's as clueless as this game makes him appear to be, then expect him to be stubborn on this issue for another 8-10 weeks until he finally cant help but admit defeat when the Broncos are knocked out of contention.

As Broncos fans, nobody wants to wait that long and watch this mess for 8-10 weeks.

That's why most educated Broncos fans thought that the best course of action was to see what Tebow was capable of so that the team could Tebow isn't really ready yet either.

A lot of teams that wind up being decent ***t the bed in game one often enough including the Pats one year losing game one by something like 45 to 7 or some such thing before going on to the big show.

Not that we are anywhere close to that Cinderella story! But the season is far from over too and I suspect we'll get it better together hopefully starting this weekend. having Champ out will really hurt and hopefully DOOM can go full on by Sunday and perhasp we can get Marcus Thomas back but I havent heard yet?

We need Lloyd out there too although I think Decker can fill his role though in a different style and still move the ball while getting Julius Thomas more involved too. Who knows Lance Ball might do better than Knowshon if he cant go but the O-line is where we MUST improve a lot.

the last quarter they looked a lot better so maybe they just got off to a slow start when the raiders stacked the box with 8 from the start and instead of making them pay with a lot of play action passing early we stuck to our run first philosophy and wind up grinding to a halt and losing the mojo early.

Amazing we still should have won that game had Orton just been about to come through on one of the three major screw ups he did. The two red zone stall resulting in FGs and the bumbling fumble with a wide open TE Fells ready to score. We convert any of those three golden opportunities and we have a W today in spite of how uninspiring the offense and Orton played.

errand
09-14-2011, 03:01 PM
Is there any truth to the ESPN rumor that Orton made statements of not caring what the fans think? While it may be true, he isn't helping his case any. Dude's totally stiff and undynamic: in Chicago, the team liked him for being steady and solid. Translation? Boring as hell. http://scosoft.com/s/v/3f6462.gif

The context in which kyle said what he said Was when he was asked a question about what is he think about the fans that'd field practice stadium wearing number 15 jerseys and how much they wanted tebow to be the starter..


So orton basically said that he was glad the fans do not choose the starter, and that his job wasn't to win over fans.... and of course all the fans of tim tebow basically look at that as a slap in the face that he doesn't care about the fans of the broncos

Doggcow
09-14-2011, 05:20 PM
Was there a single orton jersey in the stadium? Serious question.

OABB
09-14-2011, 05:29 PM
Was there a single orton jersey in the stadium? Serious question.

yes. but they were all Raider fans.

TailgateNut
09-14-2011, 05:46 PM
Was there a single orton jersey in the stadium? Serious question.

Yes, more than just one. Not as many as those for the 3rd string QB wannabe. But then you have to consider the motivation and mental aptitude of those who spent a dime for their TimBow jerseys.

vancejohnson82
09-14-2011, 05:49 PM
Was there a single orton jersey in the stadium? Serious question.

watching the broadcast, I did see a few that they gave us a glimpse of

WolfpackGuy
09-14-2011, 05:51 PM
Was there a single orton jersey in the stadium? Serious question.

Other than the one on the field, the rest had to have been Jeff Lewis jerseys.

Hulamau
09-14-2011, 06:12 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=1851&dateline=1315329430

Very sad to say Baja but becoming more and more true I'm afraid!

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 10:51 PM
The context in which kyle said what he said Was when he was asked a question about what is he think about the fans that'd field practice stadium wearing number 15 jerseys and how much they wanted tebow to be the starter..


So orton basically said that he was glad the fans do not choose the starter, and that his job wasn't to win over fans.... and of course all the fans of tim tebow basically look at that as a slap in the face that he doesn't care about the fans of the broncos

I think everyone but Ortonites took it as a slap in the face to the fans. Or at the very least a very ill-advised off the cuff comment.

swaiy
09-14-2011, 11:05 PM
Orton could cockslap his "following" in the face and they'd still be singing his praises about how he just wins.

HAT
09-14-2011, 11:10 PM
It's a win, win, win to start tebow.

Gets rid of orton,
Has a chance to prove everyone wrong and be a starter,
Fails and gets us Luck or another qb to fix the problem...

Why does everyone act as if Tebow couldn't come in for 10+ games or whatever and there still be questions going into 2012?

I mean, yeah....It'd be great to see him light it up and embrace his role as QBOTF.

And if he totally sucks then it's obvious they need to look elsewhere.

But what if Denver is a very ugly 2-3 at the bye and Tebow gets the nod and goes 5-6 or 4-7 in much the same style that he played during 1-2 last year?
An exciting comeback or 2, A few great long balls & bad ass scrambling...Along with some facepalm INT's, no progression & a bad Comp. %

Sure, fans would eat it up & chalk up the bad to "rookie" mistakes....But at the end of the day, The BBT still has no idea what direction to go in 2012 when they are drafting mid pack after 7-9.

I would hope that they'd draft a ****ing DT or MLB worth a damn & give give Tebow a full 16 games after a full off-season. But that's still no guarantee that he doesn't wash out in 2012.

Not saying any of this is going to happen of course but I just don't get why people seem to think either Tebow is the savior or he virtually guarantees a chance at a top 5 pick next year to get the next big thing.....There's boatloads of grey in your black and white scenario.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 11:15 PM
Why does everyone act as if Tebow couldn't come in for 10+ games or whatever and there still be questions going into 2012?

I mean, yeah....It'd be great to see him light it up and embrace his role as QBOTF.

And if he totally sucks then it's obvious they need to look elsewhere.

But what if Denver is a very ugly 2-3 at the bye and Tebow gets the nod and goes 5-6 or 4-7 in much the same style that he played during 1-2 last year?
An exciting comeback or 2, A few great long balls & bad ass scrambling...Along with some facepalm INT's, no progression & a bad Comp. %

Sure, fans would eat it up & chalk up the bad to "rookie" mistakes....But at the end of the day, The BBT still has no idea what direction to go in 2012 when they are drafting mid pack after 7-9.

I would hope that they'd draft a ****ing DT or MLB worth a damn & give give Tebow a full 16 games after a full off-season. But that's still no guarantee that he doesn't wash out in 2012.

Not saying any of this is going to happen of course but I just don't get why people seem to think either Tebow is the savior or he virtually guarantees a chance at a top 5 pick next year to get the next big thing.....There's boatloads of grey in your black and white scenario.

If he plays as well as he did in those last three games throughout the majority of a season it would seem to me that the answer would be to give him another year or two while drafting for our many, many other needs. That's how you develop a QB. You give them time to hone their game. A result like you are describing would put us out of serious contention for a top tier QB prospect anyway.

HAT
09-15-2011, 12:06 AM
If he plays as well as he did in those last three games throughout the majority of a season it would seem to me that the answer would be to give him another year or two while drafting for our many, many other needs. That's how you develop a QB. You give them time to hone their game. A result like you are describing would put us out of serious contention for a top tier QB prospect anyway.

I agree & hope & think that's exactly how it would play.....I'm just saying that there is still the possibility that Tebow is never anything more than a .500 NFL QB (W/L wise).

I personally think Tebow IS the QBOTF & that the future will start as soon as Fox & Co. can realistically write off the playoffs. Whether it's week 5 or week 9 doesn't matter to me.....I just know it ain't week 1 for a new coach after a messed up off-season.

I'm simply commenting on the fact that everyone seems to think he's either the savior or a fast track to Luck. Like usual on the 'Mane.....It's black or white & people ignore the gray. He may be the QB in Denver for the foreseeable future but that doesn't guarantee anything.

jhns
09-15-2011, 06:08 AM
I agree & hope & think that's exactly how it would play.....I'm just saying that there is still the possibility that Tebow is never anything more than a .500 NFL QB (W/L wise).

I personally think Tebow IS the QBOTF & that the future will start as soon as Fox & Co. can realistically write off the playoffs. Whether it's week 5 or week 9 doesn't matter to me.....I just know it ain't week 1 for a new coach after a messed up off-season.

I'm simply commenting on the fact that everyone seems to think he's either the savior or a fast track to Luck. Like usual on the 'Mane.....It's black or white & people ignore the gray. He may be the QB in Denver for the foreseeable future but that doesn't guarantee anything.

Why are you Ortonites such drama queens? Tue large majority do not think he is the savior. The very large majority just don't pike Orton at QB and want to see what we have. You cry about thr mane making it black and white when it is you that is doing it...

RIBEYZE
09-15-2011, 06:24 AM
Might have helped if we'd done better than 13 carries for 38 yards. But carry on...Please stay on the topic of "it's time for our 3rd string pine rider to save the day" and stop bringing up the running game. Everyone knows that running has nothing to do with football.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NR60s93gE4

swaiy
09-15-2011, 06:52 AM
Please stay on the topic of "it's time for our 3rd string pine rider to save the day" and stop bringing up the running game. Everyone knows that running has nothing to do with football.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NR60s93gE4

How many years are people going to make excuses for Kyle's sorry ass play? All those years he was "just winning" in Chicago only proves one thing: his teamed carried him and not the other way around.

If he doesn't have perfect conditions, he isn't going to play well. The Raiders blitzed the **** out of him and he failed. He stood at the line of scrimmage doing his best Peyton Manning impression barking out protection only to be laying on the ground like a wounded Panda Bear. At one point in the game, the Raiders ran the same blitz twice in a row and STILL, he couldn't get the ball out. Why didn't he audible? He's the best on the team at reading defenses right? That's what he proved all throughout practice.

How did he manage to throw that interception before the half? Lloyd was in front of the CB the entire route and he throws it behind him. That Raider was probably saying "good thing you're a moron and didn't throw it front otherwise he would have scored on me." He sure knows how to read the defense though, right? That guy didn't even have safety help and he threw it behind where the ONLY defensive player could get it. Brilliant.

Passes thrown into the ground, passes thrown into double and TRIPLE coverage (ARE YOU ****ING SERIOUS LMAO?), missing passes to a RB for checkdown, but let's keep him out there.

All of the things Tebow did this preseason, Orton exemplified perfectly. At least Tebow throws his balls into the dirt with some damn authority. I would expect **** like that from Tebow but Orton has 8 years in the league. Good thing he looks good in shorts. I hope he does better for the sake of our team redeeming itself because God knows that loser is going to be gone next year.

HAT
09-15-2011, 07:08 AM
Why are you Ortonites such drama queens? Tue large majority do not think he is the savior. The very large majority just don't pike Orton at QB and want to see what we have. You cry about thr mane making it black and white when it is you that is doing it...

What's an Ortonite?

I'm on record for wanting Orton traded in off-season 2011 since last July and have always believed Tebow in Tebow as QBOTF since he was drafted.

Pay attention jhzz.

jhns
09-15-2011, 07:09 AM
What's an Ortonite?

I'm on record for wanting Orton traded in off-season 2011 since last July and have always believed Tebow in Tebow as QBOTF since he was drafted.

Pay attention jhzz.

Don't know but it seems to piss people off.

Eldorado
09-15-2011, 07:14 AM
I agree & hope & think that's exactly how it would play.....I'm just saying that there is still the possibility that Tebow is never anything more than a .500 NFL QB (W/L wise).

I personally think Tebow IS the QBOTF & that the future will start as soon as Fox & Co. can realistically write off the playoffs. Whether it's week 5 or week 9 doesn't matter to me.....I just know it ain't week 1 for a new coach after a messed up off-season.

I'm simply commenting on the fact that everyone seems to think he's either the savior or a fast track to Luck. Like usual on the 'Mane.....It's black or white & people ignore the gray. He may be the QB in Denver for the foreseeable future but that doesn't guarantee anything.

Why are you Ortonites such drama queens? Tue large majority do not think he is the savior. The very large majority just don't pike Orton at QB and want to see what we have. You cry about thr mane making it black and white when it is you that is doing it...


What's an Ortonite?

I'm on record for wanting Orton traded in off-season 2011 since last July and have always believed Tebow in Tebow as QBOTF since he was drafted.

Pay attention jhzz.

If you're not gargling Timbows nuts, pausing only to shout, "TRADE ORTON! ORTON SUCKS!", and then back to gargling, jhns thinks you're an Ortonite. Brilliant.

jhns
09-15-2011, 07:16 AM
If you're not gargling Timbows nuts, pausing only to shout, "TRADE ORTON! ORTON SUCKS!", and then back to gargling, jhns thinks you're an Ortonite. Brilliant.

So you are saying I should think you are an Ortonite because you never pause to say something about Orton?

Eldorado
09-15-2011, 07:25 AM
So you are saying I should think you are an Ortonite because you never pause to say something about Orton?

It would fit your paradigm.

oubronco
09-16-2011, 10:34 AM
Please stay on the topic of "it's time for our 3rd string pine rider to save the day" and stop bringing up the running game. Everyone knows that running has nothing to do with football.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NR60s93gE4

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